Christian Witchcraft?

[A_Servant]

Well, I just was looking on the internet and it appears there is a new sect emerging from the shadows apparently there is a religious sect claiming they are Christian Witches and they use the “power of God” to practise spells and participate in Wiccan rituals…is this not the most absurd thing you’ve ever heard? I mean I have nothing against Wiccans and Pagans, I used to be one before God brought me unto Himself, but Christian Wiccans…come on.

www.christianwicca.org

 

[presidentjlh]

I’m guessing they don’t have full knowledge of the gravity of their actions, but yeah, that’s definitely a no-no.

 

[Garyjohn2]

Depends on how you define “witchcraft” I guess. Slightly twisting the meaning of the words, our priests, deacons, and saints could be called “Christian Witches.”

They “use” the power of God to do the supernatural things, right? But yeah, it sounds kind of silly.

 

[Mr_Sun]

I think with a ignorant mind on the subject of magic in the bible, that it would be fun and in ways promote God sorta. like “PROVE TO ME THERE IS A GOD!” “bends spoon with mind” “WOOOOOW” “yah, only God could have given me those powers”

but like I said, I don’t know ANYTHING on the subject other than its supposedly bad to practice it.

Im just talking about Magic in general by the way.

 

[A_Servant]

Depends on how you define “witchcraft” I guess. Slightly twisting the meaning of the words, our priests, deacons, and saints could be called “Christian Witches.”

They “use” the power of God to do the supernatural things, right? But yeah, it sounds kind of silly.

It is Faith and trust in God that makes what the Priests do of God and not simple witchcraft. As my priest said once, “It is essential that we remember the sanctity of the Holy Sacrament; what it is, and from wence it came, lest in our minds it is reduced to mere stage magic”

 

[Langdell]

Well, I just was looking on the internet and it appears there is a new sect emerging from the shadows apparently there is a religious sect claiming they are Christian Witches and they use the “power of God” to practise spells and participate in Wiccan rituals…is this not the most absurd thing you’ve ever heard? I mean I have nothing against Wiccans and Pagans, I used to be one before God brought me unto Himself, but Christian Wiccans…come on.

www.christianwicca.org

It’s kind of like saying, “I’m a Muslim Christian” or “I’m a free-market Marxist.”



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[cctabb]

I isn’t my cup of tea, but I won’t begrudge anyone their beliefs. I’m in the live and let live category.

 

[kmuestwin]

Is it like voodoo? Isn’t that supposed to be a religion with christian and pagan influences?

It seems like a backwards hodgepodge that could make a lot of money from “New Age” people… I don’t get it. I’ll divine something from my crystals and my magic eight ball and get back to you.

 

[vera_dicere]

I stumbled upon this train of thought a few years back when I was engaged in my usual internet rummagings.

I read a bit about it, and from my understanding they’re just witches who use the term “christian” to express that theyr’e “white witches”. Some of the stuff I saw said “While we are “christian” we do not beleive that Jesus was the son of God, it is, however, up to the individual witch to determine if he even existed”.

So, seems to me, from what i read, that they’re like “catholics for a free choice”, they’re just using the name.

Though, I hope like heck they come to their senses, for those of them that are “christians” they should know the danger they place their souls in by practicing witch craft.

 

[RHC]

This particular bit on the above website gave me pause:

For the Trinitarian path, there are no trappings of Patriarchal Christianity. We do not have conflicts with the Bible, because ** we work directly with the Gods and Goddesses; church dogma does not have a place in our ritual structure **. Concepts such as the original sin, salvation, baptism, heaven, hell, and Satan are not conflicting topics for Trinitarians. ** They have no place in Wicca at all **; as Trinitarian Wiccans, we do not differ in this belief. There is nothing fundamental about Christian or Trinitarian Wicca. [emphasis added]

From my reading of this website, it appears that they have taken characters from Christian history and theology and made them gods and goddesses. They then perform Wiccan rituals to/with them. Or am I reading that incorrectly? Many of their links are broken, so it was difficult to get a good understanding.

From another Christian Wicca website, I got this:

Wicca does not have a “Savior” god, nor is there a devil to thwart our every sin-free intentions. Most Wiccans believe Jesus was a swell guy, but did not need to die for our “sins.”

The rejection of Church dogma, original sin, salvation, baptism, heaven, hell, Satan, etc., has rendered any “Christian” aspect to the religion moot. Furthermore, some Christian Wiccans have redefined the Trinity to be “God, Goddess and Jesus,” (cf. the original site) eliminating the Holy Spirit and creating this goddess. So, to the list above, we could add that they reject the Holy Trinity as set forth in Scripture and Tradition.

Here is the crux of the issue: of what point is being a Christian if Christ is but one of many gods and goddesses, there is no Holy Trinity, and if we do not need a Savior/salvation? All of these tenets, which are the core of orthodox Christian belief, cannot be put aside and yet still rightly retain the true meaning of the name “Christian.”

Ultimately, they may call themselves whatever they wish. But Christian - in the traditional, conventional, commonly understood, orthodox sense of the term - they are not.

 

[kenofken]

For what it’s worth, most of us who are Wiccan/pagan also think it’s bogus. These folks manage to malpractice TWO faiths at the same time! It’s also not an emerging thing. They’ve been around for many years.

 

[jpk1313]

God called magik an abomination. Why? Becuse magik is a corruption of religion. Magik is a form of ego driven religious thought (by which I mean the way prayer is thought) that is based on my will be done. Religous thought is thy (God) will be done. Magik is a form of spiritual sexual assult. When we pray we “tap” into the love of God to bring about some change such as a purified heart but always at the discression of God. Magik is a ritulized form of prayer that seeks to “tap” into the energy of the universe (what christians call the love of God) and direct it to their own ends, very much forcing through will power a change to occure. magik seeks to force god to do their bidding. There are those though who will cry out “but I just want to help people so magik is okay” this is just not so. Magik is all about power over others whether it be power of healing or cursing the practice of magik still seeks to have power over others and if one follows through to the end of such practice to have power over God (never happen but they keep on trying.) The occultist alister crowley once defined magik as “the art and science of causing change to occure in accordance with ones will” so with magik being oppisite of prayer prayer can be defined as “the art and science of embracing change in accordance with the will of God”. But this brings up the question if prayer is real (and many will say it is) does it follow that magik is real as well? Unfortanatly yes it is. That is why God condemed its use. Now I don’t want to sound like some fundementalist who says anything not christian is a tool of the devil but in this case magik is for the most part. Someone will perform a spell and satan will show them some results to convice them that what they are doing is “good” and lead them further from the truth. If one keeps at magik it will lead to all kinds of spiritual sickness such as insanity, meglomania (my personal favorite) depression, addiction, ect.

And just to let you know I’m not speaking from fear or “what i read” but i speak from experience 13 years off in depth occult studies worth. The practice of magik is a poisn fist wrapped in a sugared glove. It looks and tasts sweet but is rotten at its core. From someone who has seen its darkest side stay away you don’t need the head problems it will cause.

 

[grannymh]

Depends on how you define “witchcraft” I guess. Slightly twisting the meaning of the words, our priests, deacons, and saints could be called “Christian Witches.”

They “use” the power of God to do the supernatural things, right? But yeah, it sounds kind of silly.

Not quite right. Please don’t misuse the word “use”.

God is the One Who causes the miracle, etc. At times, He may use a person as His instrument. Witchcraft, White witches or now christian witches use the power of Satan.

 

[Shawn_Ravenfire]

There are liberal Wiccans and other neopagans who incorporate Jesus as a god, and I usually call them “Christopagans.” But seeing as how the common thread of all Christian denominations is seeing Christ as the only redeemer – a belief not held by Wiccans – calling them “Christian” would be innaccurate.

However, there have been Christian mystics in ancient and medieval times, who used spells and hexes to protect themselves from demons. I would consider them to be “Christian witches.” (In fact, I believe the word “hex” comes from the old word for “hedge,” implying that practitioners were straddling the hedge between Christian and Pagan practices.) The only ones I know of today, practicing something similar to this, would be Santerians/Vouduns, but not being an expert on Santeria, I can’t really say what role Jesus plays in their belief structure.

 

[Ahimsa]

There are liberal Wiccans and other neopagans who incorporate Jesus as a god, and I usually call them “Christopagans.” But seeing as how the common thread of all Christian denominations is seeing Christ as the only redeemer – a belief not held by Wiccans – calling them “Christian” would be innaccurate.

However, there have been Christian mystics in ancient and medieval times, who used spells and hexes to protect themselves from demons. I would consider them to be “Christian witches.” (In fact, I believe the word “hex” comes from the old word for “hedge,” implying that practitioners were straddling the hedge between Christian and Pagan practices.) The only ones I know of today, practicing something similar to this, would be Santerians/Vouduns, but not being an expert on Santeria, I can’t really say what role Jesus plays in their belief structure.

Check out the Christian Hexenmeisters of Pennsylvania Dutch country.

 

[Garyjohn2]

Not quite right. Please don’t misuse the word “use”.

God is the One Who causes the miracle, etc. At times, He may use a person as His instrument…

I understand that, and I agree with you about the source of miracles. That’s why I put “use” in quotes, to show that the meaning of the word can be slightly manipulated to make the comparison.

 

[Shawn_Ravenfire]

Check out the Christian Hexenmeisters of Pennsylvania Dutch country.

Excellent point. Funny I didn’t think of that, seeing as how I live about an hour away from Lancaster.

 

[grannymh]

I understand that, and I agree with you about the source of miracles. That’s why I put “use” in quotes, to show that the meaning of the word can be slightly manipulated to make the comparison.

Thanks for clarification.