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That right there makes me want to cry but it’s hard to imagine that He can love someone so much who continually slaps Him in the face by sinning over and over again and not really feel sorry enough to change, at the time.
I used to feel immense amounts of guilt for my sins but then the longer I kept doing them, the less guilt I began to feel. Now that I’m trying to “revert” back to the good side, I’m honestly clueless on what to do and even if I’m worthy enough to come back. 😦
None of us are worthy-not a dad blame one of us and that is the miracle. He loves us anyway.

Your lack of guilt is Satan’s was of keeping control. You obviously have the heart to return. You know you are sinning and not in a state of grace. So does God, and He still waits but you have to make the first move. You take that step of faith and He will help guide you the rest of the way.

And you have a lot of people here praying for you. You can PM me anytime you need to…helping each other is part of our faith.

Pax Vobiscum
 
I have a set-back that I know the devil is using against me and it’s what’s keeping from just skipping back into Church. I need some more questions answered and that stumbling block eliminated. Once it is gone, the path is clear for re-entry into the Catholic community whole-heartedly. Isn’t it amazing that one little sin can keep a person from experiencing that much joy?
Prayer is definitely what is keeping me sane these days!!! 😉
It is called purification. That is what is going on…God is allowing this to happen so you can be purified.

All the answers to your questions are there with God…He IS the answer.

Pax Vobiscum
 
Maybe that is the reason you feel the way you do about your faith. Maybe the issue is you and not the Church. You probably feel seperated from God bc of your sin.

I completely get the fear. I was terrified during my first confession and I had 35 years of sins to confess. Thank goodness my priest was patient. 😉

I teach 1st Reconciliation & 1st Communion prep to 8 year olds. They are scared too. Here is what I tell them.

The Sacrament of Reconciliation is a celebration of the love and forgivness of Christ. Yes, He is sad when we sin. Yes, it separates us from Him. But He is always there waiting with open arms and a ton of love, welcoming us back to the fold, just like the lost sheep.

You must remember that the priest is only a man, who is a sinner just like you. He does not judge you. My priest once said, he never remembers what sins are confessed, but the spirit of the confessor.

Try the examination of conscience on this website:

www.fisheaters.com

(My family uses this on a monthly basis.) It is very thorough. It helps to prepare you. You would be surprised at how many sins you forget you committed. Take that “list” and your spirit of conviction and make a good confession. It will start your healing.

Pax Vobiscum
Geez…you shouldn’t feel terrorized in the Catholic faith. I don’t think she has fear of her sins.
 
The analogy can be used for faith as well as it can defy all logic.
As for religions, they are all fundamentally the same, they all the same goal…to make ppl happy.

If you read the rest of my post youll see why intrinsic happiness is almost impossible for a Christian and lets face it, at the end of the day intrinsic happiness is what makes life worth living. its what we all seek.

Scoffing off another religion simply because it doesnt have Christ is plain silly. All that makes religons different are the means and all we have to judge is the results.
First off, saying my analogy works for faith proves my point. In the analogy, you don’t want to jump off the cliff, and for good reason, not just for irrational reasons. So yeah, having faith is the same. You might have been twisting the analogy. It didn’t work. So thanks for your support! 👍

As for the rest, again…you’re assuming that everyone is really Nihilist at heart. You can’t seem to believe that anyone could really believe the things Christians believe; you think we force ourselves to believe it for authority. It never occurs to you that maybe, just maybe, we really believe in Christianity not because we’re just kidding ourselves (as you seem to think) but because we are truly convinced. Maybe you’re not. Sorry to hear it. Don’t presume to know what we are capable of sincerely and rationally believing based on your own disbelief.

Again, you think that intrinsic (earthly) happiness (which is possible in Christianity, but that’s beside the point) is all that makes life worth living…you also think that all religions are the same…very Nihilist way of thinking. Remember, that’s only true if your religious views (or lack, whatever) are right (obviously, you think so; obviously, we disagree). It’s ironic that you seem to be annoyed that Catholics (and Christians in general) believe we know the truth and that (ideally) everyone would see it too–when you yourself no less strongly think you are right and that everyone else should (and deep down already does) think like you (i.e. all religions are equal; religion is just a means to earthly happiness; etc.). You’re doing the exact same thing you accuse Christians of doing. The difference? You seem to think you’re more open to other faiths than Christians are. In fact, you’re as set in your Nihilism as we are in our Faith…and you even want to convince others of your “truth”, for “their own happiness” (the closest Nihilist equivalent of Christianity’s salvation). Yet you think you’re so much different from us in your attempts to spread your views (or at least your relativist attitude). Is the teapot calling the kettle black?

For that reason, I see no point to address your attacks on or criticism of our faith any further until you stop assuming both that secretly we think like you but are just too afraid to allow it to take its course lest we lose our “sense of order” and that there’s some difference between you thinking you’re right and us believing the Church has the Truth. It would be useless and would get us nowhere.

P.S. This discussion (as was conversion to Buddhism, etc., in the first place) is off topic anyway. The OP was talking about Non-Catholic and Catholic CHRISTIANITY. Nowhere until your post did anyone suggest that they were unhappy with Christianity as a whole…so by your own standards (“intrinsic happiness is supreme”), it was pointless for you to bring other faiths into it.
 
Geez…you shouldn’t feel terrorized in the Catholic faith. I don’t think she has fear of her sins.
I know you should not. But it is a reality to fear going to another human being and confessing sins…it is awkward.

Pax Vobiscum
 
I know you should not. But it is a reality to fear going to another human being and confessing sins…it is awkward.

Pax Vobiscum
It can be awkward for some, I guess depending on the sin. But you must remember, a priest has heard everything unimaginable.
He can only give you absolution, no matter what, or 99% of the time. A priest cannot tell anyone or he will lose his soul.
I just go and tell my sins, I cannot have a priest intimidate me. I am really talking to God. I suppose that is the awkward part.
 
First off, saying my analogy works for faith proves my point. In the analogy, you don’t want to jump off the cliff, and for good reason, not just for irrational reasons. So yeah, having faith is the same. You might have been twisting the analogy. It didn’t work. So thanks for your support! 👍
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Umm i think misunderstood my post entirely or you refuse to accept certain aspects.

As per the analogy, read ti again and read my comment again.

As for it being an ignorant claim that all religions seek the same. perhaps you could explain why :
-Hindu goal, become one with Brahman, being of infinite happiness and peace
  • Buddhist goal, achieve nirvana, a sort of heaven breaking the cycle of life/death which = happiness as u no longer life/die
  • Judaic, Christian, Muslim goal, go to heaven and be close to God. heaven being a place of infinate bliss, happiness and peace because of proximity to God
Hmm happiness seems to be the key.

As for Christians REALLY being believing in Christianity. Why not assume Hell doesnt exist? Or heaven? Why not just say God loves the just but gives neither reward nor punishment? Why is it whenever someone thinks about converting to a non-abrahamic faith, ppl condem them to hell? FYI ancient philosophers came up with a reason to be just w/o coersion while it seems Christians today only act good to receive a reward or avoid a punishment.
And doing something for the sake of a reward is meaningless in itself.

O almost forgot, Intrinsic happiness is not necessarily ‘earthly’ happiness, that extrinsic. You know, the same extrinsic that makes ppl fear hell, love heaven.

Intrinsic means doing something for its own sake, not because you receive a reward or are avoiding a punishment.

Most christians I know only follow the church to receive/avoid something and when an explaination is given as to why something should be done/not done, it usually amounts to youll go to hell if you dont.

As for me thinking my theology is better than everyones? Not really. If someone is truely happy to be a christian and it isnt because of them wanting to reach heaven or their fear of hell then Ill consider them an equal (same applies to all religions) but if it is only some sort of spiritual buisness transaction, then their spirituality is null.
 
Loginus

I truly believe Christianity. Many do. Fear is only the beginning, and not even of belief, but of dedication after belief (why fear something you don’t believe?!), and even then not for every Christian…a mature Christian does indeed love God and keep His commandments just for the sake of doing so. Yes, the punishment and rewards are a reality in our beliefs (and we can’t simply scrap part of what we believe, thank you, any more than we can just scrap our belief in gravity–you still don’t grasp that we really believe it; by definition, that means we can’t just change it), but that’s not to be a necessary motivation for a mature Christian. Some (or many) may never reach that point of maturity in this lifetime (which, by the way, doesn’t make their spirituality null…immature, but not null; theirs is a legitimate motivation, just not the best), but that’s the ideal goal. I think all in Heaven will have reached that maturity, whether in this life or (maybe) in Purgatory… FYI, reaching that goal is how Intrinsic happiness is possible in Christianity.

That’s my last note, here, on this subject. I think there’s a communication barrier between us Loginus. The analogy thing is a perfect example–I see your point, but still don’t see how you hoped to base it in my analogy without twisting it. You’ll continue to think I’m the one who can’t understand, no doubt. Whoever is to blame (if blaming me really floats your boat, I can’t stop you) it doesn’t change the fact that there is a barrier. For the life of me, I think you’re misreading me and/or Christianity. You seem to think vice versa is true. That’s part of the reason this conversation can go nowhere. We believe in totally different realities, and don’t have so much as a common basis to debate from. I’m not incapable of further debate, but I just think it’s going to be pointless. Future posts would probably only further prove that to be true. So, when it comes to this subject, further conversation between us seems as moot as you think most Christian spirituality is. Nice talkin’ to ya.
 
Actually, I think you finally understood 😃 And yes, I do understand your point.

My bash is simply towards Christians whos only concern is Heaven or hell. If you love your religion because it makes you happy inside, then congratz! Your religion is the correct one for you.

Personally I think even if one finds out everything is a big jk, that lets say for the sake of arguement, christianity is totally wrong and yet follows it because they feel inner happiness, then that is a true christian (or any religion). Ppl like this fear no attack and do not ignore evidence agaisnt their faith, rather they take it lite-heartedly and simply smile are those with true happiness and grasp of reality. Following the actions has no meaning it itself, believing in the actions is what spirituality is about.

Ultimately, religion cannot be forced. Condeming ppl because they do not agree with your values shows spiritual weakness.Being open wit ppl and allowing them to find their place allows for spiritual strength and shows security

The best Christians I find are those who wish me luck. The worst are those that say im going to hell for not following their ideology

Hopefully that cleared it up
 
My bash is simply towards Christians whos only concern is Heaven or hell.
I think that while these people are still Christians, this attitude definately shows an immaturity in their spiritual growth. I don’t mean this in a mean way, but I think that today many people receive incredibly poor catechesis and teaching (this goes for Christians both within and outside the Church). That, combined with the worlds approach that Christianity is more of a “philosophy” than a truth is a major factor that I think leads to this distorted view. However, while many people start out this way, I would certainly hope that they would come to realize that the core of Christian teaching is love. This is where true peace, love, and happiness is found. God is love. That is why He created us. That is why He died for us, is merciful to us, is just, etc… I think that true Christianity is doing good, not for reward, but doing it because you feel the urge to do all you can to love God in return. The same for avoiding sin…while it is good to fear hell, the true fear should be offending God and eternal seperation from Him. If you love someone, you do not want to offend them or be eternally seperated from them.
Moreover, we have seen and testify that the Father sent his Son as savior of the world. Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God remains in him and he in God. We have come to know and to believe in the love God has for us. God is love, and whoever remains in love remains in God and God in him. In this is love brought to perfection among us, that we have confidence on the day of judgment because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear because fear has to do with punishment, and so one who fears is not yet perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar; for whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. This is the commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.
John 4:14-21

Anyways, that’s my rambling for now. Peace be with you!
 
Perhaps Catholiscim isnt for you. Why not check out other churchs or even religions. I recommend Buddhism 😉
I consider the source of the poster. :rolleyes: You believe in “nothing” and therefore why should mrs_abbott or anyone take your word. 😛

Oh btw, I know you’re not “in my nose.” 😛 :rotfl: (taken from profile)
 
I consider the source of the poster. :rolleyes: You believe in “nothing” and therefore why should mrs_abbott or anyone take your word. 😛

Oh btw, I know you’re not “in my nose.” 😛 :rotfl: (taken from profile)
Loginus is a very respectful poster. I can’t imagine how that shroud of Turin can stand to be anywhere near rolling eyes.
I dont think Mrs. Abbott is unaware that he is not a Catholic. You give her no credit either with a remark like this.
Mrs Abbott is the one who needs support and help not Loginus. If you are truly worried about him, PM him. He seems approachable.
Sorry to rant but looking at your signature line made me wonder if this is just the kind of thing that can bother people about our Faith.

We all want what is best for you Mrs. Abbott. You are worthy.
There is no sin that Jesus can not handle. He did it all already. Nothing, not one thing could any human be capable of that he did not handle. He is not the one that wants you to feel this way. People, humans with the mark of sin do this to each other.(make us feel so unworthy) You can relax. This is how you let go and let God.
You stop worring or doubting that Jesus cant handle things. He has.
Please come to him and dont let flawed humans anywhere in your life get in your way.
Much Christian Love
And Prayers:)
 
Everytime I think about being just a Christian, I get a good feeling inside and am just happy. But, since I was born and raised Catholic, my mind always gears toward that path but then I’m not happy when I think about the Catholic Church. Why is that? Any thoughts?

Why does it seem so easy to be a Christian but such a hard task to even pursue being Catholic? Shouldn’t the two be hand in hand for me, especially since I was born and raised Catholic?
Jesus said that we should take up our crosses and follow Him. Who ever said that taking up our crosses would be easy? Not I. Especially not the Catholic Church.

Nothing in life is easy. So if you think that being “just” a Christian would be a lot easier then you are misinformed. Being a Christian is being like Christ. And Christ said to pick up our crosses and follow Him. That is not easy to do.

BUT if you want to make that easier for yourself then the Catholic Church is where you should stay. WHY? Because we have Jesus Christ right here substantially present in the Holy Eucharist. Jesus will help us become like Him. Nothing or no one else can do that for us except JESUS Christ Himself. Jesus said to ABIDE in Him and He will ABIDE in us. How can we do that? By receiving Jesus in Holy Communion. What could be better than that?

Jesus Christ built this Church on Peter the Rock just for YOU.

I think some people think that the Catholic Church has too many rules. But they are not the “people’s” rules, they are God’s rules. We are to obey God’s Commandments if we want LIFE. And the only way to do that is to ABIDE in Jesus Christ. HOW can we abide in Him? By eating His Flesh & drinking His Blood!

52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How
can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to
you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man
and drink his blood, you have no life in you
;
54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has
eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is
drink indeed.

56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my
blood abides in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because
of the Father, so he who eats me will live because
of me.

58 This is the bread which came down from heaven,
not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats
this bread will live for ever.

John 6:52-58

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1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he takes
away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes,
that it may bear more fruit.
3 You are already made clean by the word which I have
spoken to you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear
fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you,
unless you abide in me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides
in me,and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart
from me you can do nothing
.
6 If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a
branch and withers; and the branches are gathered,
thrown into the fire and burned.
7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask
whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.
8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit,
and so prove to be my disciples.
9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you;
abide in my love.
10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in
my love
, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments
and abide in his love
.
11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be
in you, and that your joy may be full. John 15:1-11
 
Catholics are Christians. It is the only Christian denomination that has the fulness of truth within it though. If you are baptised in the Church, than you are Catholic. After this, there is no “pursuing” being Catholic. I think you mean to say it is hard to pursue being like Christ. In that case you are right, and it always will be for two reasons.

[1] We have original sin.
[2] Christ’s life was marked by suffering we can never hope to comprehend.

I would not be concerned that being like Christ is hard. Just don’t let the devil keep you down when you fall and always get back up and continue your journey to Jesus the Christ.
WoW? :eek: I wish I was this enlightened when I was 18! 😃

But thanks be to God, I am NOW! :yup:

Yes, we have the FULLNESS of Truth right here in the Catholic Church because Jesus said He will build HIS Church on Peter the Rock! :yup: And the gates of hell well never prevail Her. 👍
 
Here is another link. You can watch EWTN from your puter. 😛 😃

EWTN - Watch it! You’ll like it!

To get to know EWTN, you would have to watch more than one day. Try watching for at least 2 hours each day for a whole week. :yup: I am hooked on EWTN. 👍 One of my favorite shows is “Journey Home.”
Fellow EWTN addict here - I have either radio or tele on the computer virtually non-stop. I work from home a lot of the time so this is easily done.

Mass is good to put on when I have no time to go. At least I can hear the readings and homily and make a spiritual communion. I also love saying the Divine Mercy chaplet and the Rosary along with 'em.

Journey Home is good, and I like the music shows, but I especially love Mother Angelica, she’s priceless. 😃
 
Fellow EWTN addict here - I have either radio or tele on the computer virtually non-stop. I work from home a lot of the time so this is easily done.

Mass is good to put on when I have no time to go. At least I can hear the readings and homily and make a spiritual communion. I also love saying the Divine Mercy chaplet and the Rosary along with 'em.

Journey Home is good, and I like the music shows, but I especially love Mother Angelica, she’s priceless. 😃
I love the Mass on EWTN. I try to go to a Tridentine Mass whenever I can. There is a parish about 20 minutes away so I don’t always get to it. But I love the Latin and I love the chant that the Tridentine Mass has.

I know the Mass on EWTN is not a Tridentine Mass but they use Latin in the Mass. They are so reverant in their Mass. I love all the Priests on EWTN. God knows how to pick 'em. :yup:

I love Mother Angelica. I watch her on Tuesday nights at 7pm CT and also late at night (night owl here). And I love the Chaplet of Saint Michael. They put it together so beautifully. :gopray:

I love the Divine Mercy Chaplet also. :yup:

Once you start watching EWTN, you will want more. I hope you will enjoy EWTN inJESUS! 👍
 
MY GOODNESS!!! that is EXACTLY how I feel! I think I could give myself to Jesus completely and not answer to any institution or human office. And church would just be a gathering of the faithful.
But the Church is not “any institution” or human office. 😦 I think you know that right? The Church is the Bride of Christ. The Church is the Body of Christ. We are the Church. We are members of His Body. Jesus Christ built His Church on Peter the Rock and said that the gates of hell will never prevail. I think you already know this.
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But then back to Mass I go. I smile and say Hi to people who look like they could care less to even know who I am.
That is sad isn’t it. But then again, I would rather concentrate on Jesus Christ. I can always talk to people AFTER Mass or someplace else entirely, like at a bible study or prayer group. But being in church before Mass should only be time for Jesus Christ because He is there in the Tabernacle. I need time to pray before Mass starts. I find it annoying that people talk right before Mass instead of pray. We can talk AFTER Mass. But if someone just smiled and waved at me in Church before Mass, I would definitely smile back and wave. As a matter of fact I would probably get all emotional because someone out there cares that I’m there. But then I would have to get to my praying and I would go see this person after Mass is over.

santaro75 said:
I don’t know why I can’t leave.

Because you have Jesus Christ substantially present. He is in the tabernacle. He is in the Monstrance when we Adore Him. He is inside of us after we eat His flesh at communion. That’s why! 👍
 
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