Christianity and War

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I understand that there is only a small percentage of religion based wars within all the wars through out history.

Im just wondering if anyone knows what percentage of that is Christian Based. I know if i dug deep enough I would probably find an answer but don’t even know where to start for reliable sources, and yes maybe I am putting my faith in peoples answers here too.
 
The 20th Century was largely dominated by wars of ideology. It’s called the century of genocide too. It’s also been called the single bloodiest 100 years of human recorded history.

But centuries ago you had a lot of wars of religion that Christians were involved in. Catholic history is no where near as bad as popular TV and talk makes it out to be. Don’t believe the hype. And I’m a great supporter of the so-called Crusades (which actually includes the Reconquest for Spain and the eventual Battle of Vienna). Catholics were so charitable they allowed the sacking and looting of Rome and Vatican City by Muslims and waited a 100 or so more years longer than they should have before running a Crusade like the U.S. and her secular jihadist allies did after 9-11.

And 9-11 was a tap on the butt compared to the Battle of Tours. Can you imagine the eyes of New Yorkers if they had roughly 30,000 Mulsim horsemen descending upon them? Yeah… so contrary to what historians like to say, Charles Martel did more for the future of Christendom than Constantine the Great did.

The spread of Islam as well as the Germanizing of Christianity (where chivalry came from - which is similar to Japanese Bushido) led to more militant Christianity.

And Europeans colonizing Southeast Asia and Africa did as much for those places as Islam colonizing Spain did. But just because some people bring fountains, pretty buildings, public baths (yuck), and a few math problems do you want them with their foot on your neck and the neck of your child? Probably not. So, I wouldn’t listen too much to TV.

And the next time someone reminds you of the slaughter of Jerusalem (real, evil, a war crime, but likely exaggerated) just reply back to them: Dresden, Hiroshima, and the fire bombing of Tokyo and half of Japan.

But there were some real evil Catholics throughout history. I mean we had people that cut the noses off of Greek Orthodox priests and slaughtered Jewish villages. Just some real villains. I’m ashamed to say they were Catholic.

But I think Protestants and Catholics throughout Germanic lands slaughtered each other more than the Christians slaughtered Jews.

One of the men in Catholic and European history I admire is Wallenstein. That Protestant Swede leader was admirable too. Can’t recall his name though.

But democracies bring the most bloodiest wars. In part because nations can collect from all their resources for what they call “total war.” Plus, the average citizen’s identity is brought into the whole events like a big high school football or basketball game with all the cheer-leading. For monarchies wars were to expensive.
 
I understand that there is only a small percentage of religion based wars within all the wars through out history.

Im just wondering if anyone knows what percentage of that is Christian Based. I know if i dug deep enough I would probably find an answer but don’t even know where to start for reliable sources, and yes maybe I am putting my faith in peoples answers here too.
what do you mean by “Christian Based”?

the wars following the reformation were, I suggest, primarily moved by dynastic, political, economic, national interests that exploited martin luther. what the poor schlub in the field believes he’s dying for is something different, that’s motivation, not a prime cause of the conflict.

but to an extent, all wars involve religion to some extent as a motivator, and if you lived in the West, Christianity would be invoked… Lincoln, second inaugural, speaking about the rebels and and union:

“Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. … The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully.”

so the question is, what do you mean by “Christian Based”?

Westerby
 
But democracies bring the most bloodiest wars. In part because nations can collect from all their resources for what they call “total war.” Plus, the average citizen’s identity is brought into the whole events like a big high school football or basketball game with all the cheer-leading. For monarchies wars were to expensive.
By this do you mean that it ‘democracies’ the government can simply pass along all costs of the war to the citizens, forcing them through taxes to pay for them?

If so, how would a monarchy go about waging a war?
 
By this do you mean that it ‘democracies’ the government can simply pass along all costs of the war to the citizens, forcing them through taxes to pay for them?

If so, how would a monarchy go about waging a war?
I probably shouldn’t pass myself off as a military historian, philosopher of war, or strategist. And I hope I haven’t.

But every so often I’ll read a book or essay on military history or some related subject. It’s a small interest of mine.

So, maybe I’m merely parroting the view of one or more authors I’ve read in the past, without the knowledge base to critically critique or challenge it.

But my understanding is that in democracies the whole nation can be mobilized for war. Not just citizens taxed but factories and materials all mobilized for the war effort. What I believe is termed “Total War” if I remember correctly. Think of the United States during WWII with the women in the factories while the men went off to fight. Even Hollywood was mobilized for a part in the war.

Monarchies could only collect so much money. Most monarchs would not want to deplete their treasuries and often they hired mercenary forces. People under the crown were subjects and not citizens. So, the wars were less those of the peoples and more those of the crown. Add to this the mercenary armies often lived off the ground. Raiding farms and homes for food. This is different than citizens entering national, professional military forces that receive rations. The basic result is that a lot of wars under monarchs turned into waiting games to see which army would back down first. Usually the battles didn’t result in massive casualties. Mind you… this was not always the case. The Protestants and Catholics slaughtered each other and left villages pillaged and burning in what was it… the Thirty Years War? But those were more akin to what we would call war crimes today.

Supposedly, the U.S. Civil War shocked Europeans of the time period because supposedly battles and wars up until then were never so savage and bloody. But around that same period Brazil with two other neighboring nations united to wage war on another neighboring country. That single country experienced basically - if not worse - what the U.S. or U.S. South did during the U.S. Civil War. That’s less talked about though.

So… I might add this: given the Crusaders were not a professional military force and given the rules of battle were much different during that time period (it was common to slaughter town that did not immediately surrender peacefully but resisted - enslaving or ransoming captives from battle was common too and one way people helped finance their wars) the massacre at Jerusalem is a little more understanding (however wrong and evil) than the intentional fire bombings of Tokyo and half of Japan not to mention the two nuclear bombs dropped on two Japanese cities (basically, children and non-combatants were targeted).

From what I have read professional military forces throughout the 20th Century had increasingly targeted civilian, non-combatant populations.
 
No war is based on one reason alone, regardless of how it is “sold”.
 
No war is based on one reason alone, regardless of how it is “sold”.
depends on your point of view. if you were some dude living in the philippines when the japanese imperial army came calling in '41, there was probably one only reason to pick up a rifle.

Westerby
 
depends on your point of view. if you were some dude living in the philippines when the japanese imperial army came calling in '41, there was probably one only reason to pick up a rifle.

Westerby
Nations that get dragged into it don’t really have a choice and can certainly only be involved because of defense. My post was more to point out that the war itself didn’t start because of one reason.
 
Nations that get dragged into it don’t really have a choice and can certainly only be involved because of defense. My post was more to point out that the war itself didn’t start because of one reason.
it takes two to tango. a state could be totally nonbelligerent and not fight, even in defense.

Westerby
 
Christians slaughtered millions - see for example the ancient Prussians being put to death by the Teutonic Order. No state in Europe adopted Christianity willingly b/c it is antithetical to Europeanness and European civilization. 👍
 
Christians slaughtered millions - see for example the ancient Prussians being put to death by the Teutonic Order. No state in Europe adopted Christianity willingly b/c it is antithetical to Europeanness and European civilization. 👍
you’re about as wrong as anyone can be. many of the germanic tribal confederacies (visigoths, ostrogoths, vandals, burgundians, lombards) that invaded the roman empire in the 5th century were already arian christian converts, and, of course, Clovis the frankish warlord and the founder of the merovingian dynasty that replaced the empire in the 5th and 6th centuries in what was becoming Europe – embraced Roman Catholicism. the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms converted without compulsion from the 6th century onward.

if your idea of european civilization means “pagan” or “arian”, you’d have a point.
 
Funny, I always thought Europe’s peoples had a history before Christians came around.
 
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