Christianity/Catholicism a slave morality?

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

How exactly does your Jesus carry your yoke for you? How does he lighten it? Why not ask for the help of family members or close friends in carrying your yoke than a man whom you cannot touch, feel, see or hear?

He sends friends in the first place.

And, Hoisted Sheep has it right in no. 14. Kierkegaard made similar criticisms in Denmark which was similar.

The book specifically titled “The will to power” was a concoction by his sister and her proto-Nazi friends, not a genuine work by Friedrich N, though the concept is with him in germ. (Hitler’s Nazis didn’t read the real Nietzsche, only his sister’s book.)

Being of a poetic bent he was good at spotting problems, but rather vague about proposing a response. Kierkegaard being more of a believer is stronger than him in the specific matter of responses - which made him all the more unpopular. (I base my opinions largely on secondary sources.)

Now sadly, a great many Catholics adopt an attitude of wanting the Church to boss them (and others) about, leave every initiative up to the padre, never bother to instruct themselves or each other, use sacraments as an outer substitute for inner grace. Even a lot of the hierarchy encourage them in this. But it doesn’t come from Jesus and the Apostles.

So, the Catholic church in the 21st century is going the way of the Lutheran in the 19th.

Jesus, St Paul and the OT prophets are full of illustrations about weakness and power. God knew our questions all along.

The Paraclete only comes from one place.

Not saying “Lord help thou my unbelief” is slave mentality. It is unbelief. Welcome to the churches.

 

[HoistedSheep]

He sends friends in the first place.

And, Hoisted Sheep has it right in no. 14. Kierkegaard made similar criticisms in Denmark which was similar.

The book specifically titled “The will to power” was a concoction by his sister and her proto-Nazi friends, not a genuine work by Friedrich N, though the concept is with him in germ. (Hitler’s Nazis didn’t read the real Nietzsche, only his sister’s book.)

Being of a poetic bent he was good at spotting problems, but rather vague about proposing a response. Kierkegaard being more of a believer is stronger than him in the specific matter of responses - which made him all the more unpopular. (I base my opinions largely on secondary sources.)

Now sadly, a great many Catholics adopt an attitude of wanting the Church to boss them (and others) about, leave every initiative up to the padre, never bother to instruct themselves or each other, use sacraments as an outer substitute for inner grace. Even a lot of the hierarchy encourage them in this. But it doesn’t come from Jesus and the Apostles.

So, the Catholic church in the 21st century is going the way of the Lutheran in the 19th.

Jesus, St Paul and the OT prophets are full of illustrations about weakness and power. God knew our questions all along.

The Paraclete only comes from one place.

Not saying “Lord help thou my unbelief” is slave mentality. It is unbelief. Welcome to the churches.

Thank you for mentioning Kierkegaard! I completely overlooked him. His faith definitely caused him to see beyond the problems Nietzsche diagnosed. His notion of the “leap of faith” is inevitable in our lives, and it really only makes sense when this leap is towards Christ. Kierkegaard called those who make this leap “Knights of Faith”, and this is a far better solution than Nietzsche’s notion of the “Ubermensch”. It also speaks far more to us as human beings than Nietzsche’s abstract “transvaluation of all values”, since Kierkegaard embraces our frailness, while Nietzsche seeks to undermine it.

What you say about not asking God for help is also interesting. It is indeed one of the paradoxes of life that the more confident we are, the more slavish we are. To believe we know it all inevitably shackles us to our ideals and holds us back from seeing beyond them.

 

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Vic_Taltrees_UK:

Now sadly, a great many Catholics adopt an attitude of wanting the Church to boss them (and others) about, leave every initiative up to the padre, never bother to instruct themselves or each other, use sacraments as an outer substitute for inner grace. Even a lot of the hierarchy encourage them in this. But it doesn’t come from Jesus and the Apostles.

I don’t think that many Catholics adopted the attitude of wanting the Church to boss them around. The laity was led by the spiritual leaders for years, it was the custom of those days to expect such leadership. But as the population grew, the need for leadership grew. The numbers of spiritual leaders was insufficient. In 1963, Pope John 23 convened Vatican 11, which addressed the spiritual needs and problems of the Church. It emphasized the role of the laity in the Document on the Lay Apostolate. The obligations imposed by Baptism upon the laity where emphasized, especially the role of prophet, priest, and king. It stressed the priesthood of the people.

Pope Paul VI, Pope John Paul stressed the need for evangelization. Many Catholics were Catholics in name only, never really converted although received the sacraments. The encounter with Christ was not emphasized, because that’s where conversion takes place. No one can convert only Christ can through His Holy Spirit. There are many spiritual renewal activities taking place in the Church presently. Christ promised that He would sustain His Church to the consummation of the world, and the gates of Hell would not prevail against Her. The past has proven this, she still stands in spite of great scandal which was prophesized by Christ.
VicTaltrees:

So, the Catholic church in the 21st century is going the way of the Lutheran in the 19th.

I have to disagree, there is a spiritual renewal caused by the Holy Spirit going on in the Church presently. God is still in charge, and always will be, our salvation.
VicTaltrees:

Jesus, St Paul and the OT prophets are full of illustrations about weakness and power. God knew our questions all along.

The Paraclete only comes from one place.

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