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I am not sure if this is the right subforum for my question but this one seemed to fit the best. I was recently listening to a priest that I really admire talking about law (the Old Testament law and how it relates to the New Covenant, and he also tied it into modern day laws in our society). He mentioned as a personal opinion that he thought it wouldn’t be too long before Christianity became illegal. This really shocks me, because I have wondered about this happening some day. Do you think it will be illegal to be a Christian one day? If so, how long do you think it will be?
 
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I am not sure if this is the right subforum for my question but this one seemed to fit the best. I was recently listening to a priest that I really admire talking about law (the Old Testament law and how it relates to the New Covenant, and he also tied it into modern day laws in our society). He mentioned as a personal opinion that he thought it wouldn’t be too long before Christianity became illegal. This really shocks me, because I have wondered about this happening some day. Do you think it will be illegal to be a Christian one day? If so, how long do you think it will be?
I don’t believe it will be “illegal” but it will be controlled…as in the approved Government Church in China where sermons are monitored versus the underground church where believers are arrested.
 
:eek: I know that there are many places in the world, where Christians are still being persecuted (some things never change). We must pray for them.

But what is the likelihood of this actually happening in “free” nations? Of particular interest to me, is the United States.
 
Most people in countries like America are still at least nominally Christian. And I don’t think that’ll change that much in the near future, lots of Christian denominations are growing great guns.

So I don’t think Christianity per se will become illegal.

What will happen and is happening is more and more legal restrictions being placed on the practice of the Christian faith.

You may find that doctors are heavily penalised for refusing to prescribe contraception or refer people for sterilisation, that pharamcies are likewise heavily penalised for not providing contraception. Or that even religious schools have more and more of their rights eroded in regard to, for example, requiring all employees to be Catholic or whatever denomination.
 
The question is what will you do if it becomes illegal?
Well, we can’t do less than the early martyrs did who suffered for our faith. And pray God that such a persecution will end as the persecution against them did (eventually).
 
What will happen and is happening is more and more legal restrictions being placed on the practice of the Christian faith.
Thank you Lily. I greatly appreciate your comments. Although the question was perfectly legitimate… none the less, it is an alarming subject (to put it mildly).

Your words made me think of a few other examples… such as we’ve already seen. Banishing God from the classroom, for example. And the annual “assault” on Christmas, which we’ve had in the U.S. for the past few years.

It’s also showing up in U.S. money now. Have any of you seen the so-called new “Presidential Coin Series”? Can you find the “In God we trust” on the coin? It’s been taken off the front, and placed on the SIDE… where one may or may not see it. I guess it’s less “offensive”, there. 😦

It’s all so disturbing. PRAY THE ROSARY, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Our Lady was serious, with this advice. God bless.
 
There is one thing we can do - vote in every election - federal, state and local. And vote Catholic!
 
There is one thing we can do - vote in every election - federal, state and local. And vote Catholic!
Sadly, buffalo… sometimes even voting Catholic doesn’t help. There are politicians who CLAIM to be Catholic… but who do not LIVE their faith. 😦 It was demonstrated to us… when the Holy Father visited the United States… and two well known, “Catholic” politicians (who SUPPORT abortion rights) approached the altar of God… and received the Precious Body of Our Lord.

God, have mercy on us.
 
It is already illegal in Canada to express certain aspects of Catholic teachings. I think the OP’s priest is probably correct, Christianity will be declared a promoter of “hate” and be banned like the Nazi party.

It may even happen in my lifetime in my country.
 
Well, we can’t do less than the early martyrs did who suffered for our faith. And pray God that such a persecution will end as the persecution against them did (eventually).
I thought of this too. Lately I have been more and more interested in the early martyrs. I want to be like them if, God forbid, history repeats itself.
 
My mom seems to think that it probably won’t happen in her lifetime but it will in mine. I told her it already is happening, its just happening very quietly right now…with the yearly assault on Christmas and God and Prayer in schools and such. They almost want to use the same tactics that England used in the Penal Laws in Ireland in the 18th century against Irish Catholics. (I know, I’m a sucker for historical comparisons, but history repeats itself more often than not.)

As someone said in a previous post, I will gladly follow the paths of the early Martyrs and the example of my Irish ancestors.
 
Sadly, buffalo… sometimes even voting Catholic doesn’t help. There are politicians who CLAIM to be Catholic… but who do not LIVE their faith. 😦 It was demonstrated to us… when the Holy Father visited the United States… and two well known, “Catholic” politicians (who SUPPORT abortion rights) approached the altar of God… and received the Precious Body of Our Lord.

God, have mercy on us.
I know. 😦 However, holding them accountable to their faith after elected is important to. I have a Congressman who I constantly call on the carpet for his Catholic rhetoric vs his actual record. We cannot be silent, we must make them answer.

Today it is easy with the internet and such.
 
I’m from Sweden. And sometimes I feel like playing Abraham, pleading for Sodom and Gomorra. The US, to me, seems like an ocean of religious freedom in comparison.
Here they’re always trying to ban religious schools, like my old school - one of three catholic schools in Sweden. There’s something in our constitution that forbids it but as I’m writing they’re doing their best to change that. My old school is not allowed to put prayer, mass or confession on the schedule. They have to teach kids to use condoms and pills. They are not allowed to teach that abstinence might be good alternative. They have to teach the girls what to do if they want an abortion.

Right now we can see laws against discrimination are growing stronger. Mainly these laws are for women and homosexuals. The catholic church is at risk since women cant be priests and homosexuals aren’t allowed to marry. Being catholic would be illegal tomorrow if they only got through the paperwork. Fortunately there’s some agreement between the Vatican and Sweden from back in the sixties that they would need to overrun first.

It’s not hard to imagine everything going terrible wrong. This is a country which openly boasts of being “the most secularized country in the world” (even though I think Holland is tough competition). What is hard is to have hope. It could all turn around. A little sour-dough goes a long way. Rome fell and so will modernism.
 
Just to be clear I was talking tactics not the specific laws that the English government used. They had the oath that had to be taken before someone could enter public office, and simple things like that that were meant to keep the Irish Catholics down.

My comparison is that here in America certain people want simple little things like taking God out of the public square and that perhaps they would take it even further. I wasn’t saying that they’re gonna start taking our land away or anything, or even that anything here could equal the Penal Laws. (And I hope I don’t seem rude, just wanted to clarify.)
 
Gittles, Shalom, and welcome! I’d try some of my 30-year-old Swedish on you, but I think you deserve better! (Besides, I don’t have the Swedish fonts installed on my PC.)

I know it used to be that every person born in Sweden was automatically a member of the Lutheran church. Is this still the case? I can see very easily how the situation in Sweden could become the situation in America, except for our First Amendment freedoms. The First Amendment starts out, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…” One thing most Americans don’t know or understand is that the First Amendment non-establishment clause wasn’t about the government not promoting or supporting religion. The debate at the Constitutional Convention was about **which **religion Americans would follow. Each of the original 13 Colonies had a specific religion that was supported by the colonial government – Congregational Church in one colony, Lutheran in another, and so on. During the Constitutional Convention, the debate was fierce: which of the state religions of the colonies would become the national religion? In the end, the matter was dropped, and it wasn’t resolved until the First Amendment was ratified. In effect, the First Amendment put the issue back into the hands of the individual states.

In addition, each colony had laws that prohibited people who were Jewish or who followed “the Popish faith” from certain things, like owning land or holding public office or voting. This was usually summarized as “Jews, Catholics, Muhammadans, and Infidels”, and the swearing-in ceremonies for public office usually had some clause that the person was not a member of one of these groups. Maryland was established by Lord Baltimore to be a haven for Catholics, so they could own land, etc. This lasted for about 50 years, until the Protestants became the majority. Then the same restrictions against Catholics were enacted.

As people moved westward, the new states that were formed dropped the state support of particular religions, and also eventually dropped the “Jews, Catholics,” etc. restrictions. Now, people think the First Amendment means that either the government cannot work with any religious organization, or must work to support all religions equally. That gives us situations such as what happened in San Francisco, where a concrete traffic barrier was left in a park after some construction. (This was one of those barriers that’s about a meter tall, shaped like a beehive.) For two years, people complained about the barrier and wanted it to be removed, and for two years the park administration did nothing. Then, the park administration learned that some Hindus had discovered the barrier and decided it was a representation of one of their gods. These Hindus were praying around the barrier and decorating it with flowers. Within 48 hours of learning of this, the park administration sent equipment in to move this barrier, only to be blocked by the Hindus. I can’t remember how the situation was resolved, but it shows how frightened Americans can be when someone accuses them of government support of any religion.

Keep pleading for Sodom and Gomorrah, my friend. G_D is always merciful and your prayers are being heard.

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Muzhik: 30 year old Swedish, huh? that’s certainly impressive (although you’ve proved nothing 🙂 )
I had no idea maryland used to be a catholic haven - to me it was just a cookie - that’s very interesting! I know protestantism made the rules in America for a long time. But some how you’ve ended up with a country that allows home schooling (almost forbidden here), a country that isn’t ashamed of its christian background. Even in New York, when the planes hit the WTC, people were praying in the streets. Here people would be cursing.
When I was born, in 1982, my parents had to tell the authorities that I was not gonna be a member of the Swedish Lutheran church. Everyone was automatically made members. But in the year 2000 that changed. The Swedish Lutheran church is no longer a part of the state (which is odd because that was the very reason it existed in the first place). It is still run by politicians from the main parties, though. The archbishop and the bishops don’t have a saying. I don’t know if all the National Lutheran churches are like that. Seems very strange to me.
 
… such as we’ve already seen. Banishing God from the classroom, for example. And the annual “assault” on Christmas, which we’ve had in the U.S. for the past few years.

It’s also showing up in U.S. money now. Have any of you seen the so-called new “Presidential Coin Series”? Can you find the “In God we trust” on the coin? It’s been taken off the front, and placed on the SIDE… where one may or may not see it. I guess it’s less “offensive”, there. 😦

It’s all so disturbing. PRAY THE ROSARY, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Our Lady was serious, with this advice. God bless.
As you stated above, the persecution has started already.

The critical question is what can we do to stop it?

I often feel we Christians (both Catholics and Protestants) are too gentle and mild while facing such nonsense. When the nonsense of “Happy Holiday” replacing “Merry Christamas”, what did we do?

Other than putting a magnet on the car saying “Keep Christ in Christmas”, what else did we do? What else could we do?

When someone says it is offfensive to mention the name of God, why couldn’t we scream that it is offense to prevent the mention of God? Why couldn’t we yell that our freedom of faith is offended? Why couldn’t we take the opposite approach against the nonsense?

Couldn’t we do something more concrete to stop such persecution? Should we just watch the situation getting worse and worse? Should we eventually allow Christianity beccome illegal? Before it reaches that state, what can you and I do to stop the devil’s plan? Could Catholics and Prostants get together starting a movement of putting God in our daily lives? To mention God and put God in the public as the good old days (normal days)? It looks like we are doing nothing about it. We are not even defensive. We should not only be defensive but get offensive in this critical matter.

Please think about this and share your thoughts.
 
Muzhik: 30 year old Swedish, huh? that’s certainly impressive (although you’ve proved nothing 🙂 )
I had no idea maryland used to be a catholic haven - to me it was just a cookie - that’s very interesting! I know protestantism made the rules in America for a long time. But some how you’ve ended up with a country that allows home schooling (almost forbidden here), a country that isn’t ashamed of its christian background. Even in New York, when the planes hit the WTC, people were praying in the streets. Here people would be cursing.
When I was born, in 1982, my parents had to tell the authorities that I was not gonna be a member of the Swedish Lutheran church. Everyone was automatically made members. But in the year 2000 that changed. The Swedish Lutheran church is no longer a part of the state (which is odd because that was the very reason it existed in the first place). It is still run by politicians from the main parties, though. The archbishop and the bishops don’t have a saying. I don’t know if all the National Lutheran churches are like that. Seems very strange to me.
I spent about 4 months in Sweden back in 1977. I learned enough Swedish to try to pick up Swedish girls – never was successful, but that didn’t stop me from trying.

One of our national myths is the idea of America being a haven for religious freedom. Most American children are taught about the Pilgrims having come from England to practice their religion freely. That part is true, but what doesn’t get taught is that the Pilgrims thought that religious freedom only applied to them. In fact, “The Boston Martyrs” are a set of four people who were hanged in Boston Commons for terrible crime of being members of the Society of Friends (also known as the Quakers). One of them, Mary Dyer, was the first woman to be executed in America.

Still, this idea of religious liberty is one of the foundations of American culture. When the new immigrants came, they usually gathered together not just by nationality but by religion; and one of the first buildings erected in a settlement was usually a church.

I think the idea of a state-supported or state-mandated religion is one of the deadliest ways to kill religious faith. I think Americans are more religious than Europeans simply because they’ve had to work to build their own churches, hire their own clergy, etc.

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