Christianity is Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy

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Roscoe_Turner said:
So you don’t fear The Lord?
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I have no fear in the way that you mean it. In the way that the Church means it: awe and reverence–yes I have awe and reverence for the Lord.
Or are not working out your salvation in fear and trembling?
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I am not aware of anything against myself. But I am not thereby acquitted, Roscoe. It is the Lord who judges me–whom should I fear? Of whom should I be afraid?
 
PRmerger said:
What is “acting badly” except “being flawed”? :confused:
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Flawed is incorrectly made and you can’t function correctly. You lack the wear withal. A man with one leg can’t walk correctly without some mechanical assistance not all men are one legged.
 
PRmerger said:
I have no fear in the way that you mean it. In the way that the Church means it: awe and reverence–yes I have awe and reverence for the Lord.

I am not aware of anything against myself. But I am not thereby acquitted, Roscoe. It is the Lord who judges me–whom should I fear? Of whom should I be afraid?
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It is our instruction to workout our salvation in Phillipians. My guess the one to fear is The Lord and His judgement.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
People aren’t flawed but do act badly.
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PRmerger said:
What is “acting badly” except “being flawed”? :confused:
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Incidentally, your comment above is as nonsensical as saying, “People aren’t flawed but are flawed”.

From Merriam-Webster thesaurus: flawed = bad

having a fault
Synonyms amiss, bad, defective, flawed, imperfect

Now, I don’t have a problem with your questioning the dogma of Original Sin.

But if you are going to reject it, you ought to have a better, more coherent, reasoned, logical alternative.

So far, your paradigm of “fear mostly” is quite inadequate.

I can’t imagine any reasonable person rejecting the dogma of Original Sin in favor of what you have offered thus far.

“Fear Mostly” vs “Original Sin”–I’ll take the latter. It’s definitely the more logical choice.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Flawed is incorrectly made and you can’t function correctly.
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Egg-zactly.
You lack the wear withal
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Right.
A man with one leg can’t walk correctly without some mechanical assistance not all men are one legged.
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But all of us are flawed.

We’re not how we were meant to be.

I put anyone who says, “There is nothing wrong with how we are as a society and how I am as an individual” in the same category as the 6000 year old earthers, and Rapture folks.
 
PRmerger said:
Incidentally, your comment above is as nonsensical as saying, “People aren’t flawed but are flawed”.

From Merriam-Webster thesaurus: flawed = bad

having a fault
Synonyms amiss, bad, defective, flawed, imperfect

Now, I don’t have a problem with your questioning the dogma of Original Sin.

But if you are going to reject it, you ought to have a better, more coherent, reasoned, logical alternative.

So far, your paradigm of “fear mostly” is quite inadequate.

I can’t imagine any reasonable person rejecting the dogma of Original Sin in favor of what you have offered thus far.

“Fear Mostly” vs “Original Sin”–I’ll take the latter. It’s definitely the more logical choice.
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You are not understanding what I am saying I will try and be more clear. I apologize.

An ambulant adult human being has two functioning legs. A human without two legs can not walk correctly. They are flawed. They may have been born that way or suffered some trauma or disease that caused the loss of their leg. They have an inherent flaw that impedes their ambulant ability.

A ambulant human that has two functioning legs that stumbles is not flawed. They have the ability to walk, they have just done it badly on that occasion. After the incident their ambulant ability hasn’t been compromised. They aren’t flawed, just stumbled.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
You are not understanding what I am saying I will try and be more clear. I apologize.

An ambulant adult human being has two functioning legs. A human without two legs can not walk correctly. They are flawed. They may have been born that way or suffered some trauma or disease that caused the loss of their leg. They have an inherent flaw that impedes their ambulant ability.

A ambulant human that has two functioning legs that stumbles is not flawed. They have the ability to walk, they have just done it badly on that occasion. After the incident their ambulant ability hasn’t been compromised. They aren’t flawed, just stumbled.
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Fair enough. 🤷

There is still the matter of the fact that every single human person that you and I have ever encountered is figuratively walking around on flawed legs.

Your explanation for this?
 
PRmerger said:
Fair enough. 🤷

There is still the matter of the fact that every single human person that you and I have ever encountered is figuratively walking around on flawed legs.

Your explanation for this?
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What the support of inherent flaw can you provide? I’m aware that you believe in original sin and are coming from that view point. So I looking for something along the lines of “we are all flawed in this particular way and this is why” The inherent flaw named or described and examples why we all posses it.

The premise I that I’m supporting in this thread is, that stumbling doesn’t equate to an inherent flaw. Explained above.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
I have no other world to compare it too.
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Surely you can use your imagination.

Imagine a world where there’s no Munchausen Syndrome (by proxy or other).

Why isn’t the world like that?

What’s your explanation for this, Roscoe?
 
PRmerger said:
Surely you can use your imagination.

Imagine a world where there’s no Munchausen Syndrome (by proxy or other).

Why isn’t the world like that?

What’s your explanation for this, Roscoe?
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I can imagine a world where I can fly or breathe underwater without mechanical assistance that doesn’t make it possible nor me flawed for using airplanes and scuba.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
I’m not seeing your point. Death is an inevitability. We will all die.

Are you saying that two outcomes is less stressful than one? Catholics have heaven or hell where non believers only have one non exsistance. They can’t know that they no longer exist.
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Atheists and all human beings will live forever. The only question is where will they live forever in Heaven or in Hell? That is where free will comes in and God let’s us decide. Those who go to Heaven will also be given new glorified bodies and a new earth. I imagine the opposite would be true for the damned that they live forever in an “undead” state kind of like what we call “zombies” or the “living dead”. But again, it’s our choice where we want to go. Some people have convinced themselves that God is evil and they can’t stand the thought of going to Heaven. If they die with this attitude God will grant them their wish and they will go to Hell where they can be with all the others who rejected God which includes satan and all the demons, murderers, rapists, child molesters, liars, etc. We decide. And keep in mind that there is Purgatory which is for those who die in friendship with God but who have some minor attachments to sin remaining that need to be purged before they are let into Heaven. Jesus (God) dying on the cross for us and giving us the Sacrament of Reconciliation is an example of God’s mercy, and Purgatory is where God takes that mercy even further. As for the question in the OP, whoever thinks that there is no sin in the world must be living a very sheltered life and apparently doesn’t watch the news.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
I can imagine a world where I can fly or breathe underwater without mechanical assistance that doesn’t make it possible nor me flawed for using airplanes and scuba.
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Excellent.

So since you can use your imagination, imagine a world as “it should be.”

Why is this world not like that?
 
PRmerger said:
Excellent.

So since you can use your imagination, imagine a world as “it should be.”

Why is this world not like that?
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My ability to imagine a world that I can swim and breathe like a fish doesn’t change that I can’t, nor do I expect it. Nor do I feel flawed because of it.

I not sure what your point is?

Why aren’t there magical unicorns? (my daughter probably imagines a world that there should be)

This is the world that we are a part of. Shouldn’t we be thankful rather than ingrates?
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
My ability to imagine a world that I can swim and breathe like a fish doesn’t change that I can’t, nor do I expect it. Nor do I feel flawed because of it.

I not sure what your point is?
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My point is that you have no explanation* for why the world is the way it is.

Christianity does: Original Sin.

*or a really, really lame one: “mostly fear” that I’m helping you to try to explicate.
 
Roscoe_Turner said:
Shouldn’t we be thankful rather than ingrates?
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Of course we should be thankful.

That’s the entire point of Christians. We are so thankful that we have been redeemed.

It would appear that those who aren’t thankful to Him are the ingrates, no?
 
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