Christians and Jews: Do We Worship the Same God?

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There have been quite a few threads lately asking whether or not Christians and Muslims really do worship the same God. Many claim we do not as Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, but neither do Jews and there has been a lack of discussion in this area. If the divinity of Jesus is the criteria for determining if we worship the same God I have to ask do Christians and Jews worship the same God?

Just interested in your thoughts.

Peace,

George
 
Of course we do. Jesus was a Jew. If Muslims say they worship the God of Abraham who am I to say they don’t? I believe Jews do not have the full view of God and Muslims have a flawed view of Him but He is still the same God. You have an opinion of who I am from reading my posts, people at work have an opinion from my job performance and personality, my family and friends have another opinion of who I am. They are all different but I am still me.
 
Well Lance I know what you think! 😃 You have made it pretty clear on your earlier posts and I agree! Thanks for responding!

Peace,

George
 
George Waters:
There have been quite a few threads lately asking whether or not Christians and Muslims really do worship the same God. Many claim we do not as Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, but neither do Jews and there has been a lack of discussion in this area. If the divinity of Jesus is the criteria for determining if we worship the same God I have to ask do Christians and Jews worship the same God?

Just interested in your thoughts.

Peace,

George
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Yes we worship the same God. We hold OT as well as proof that all the prophets and descendants are correct. (not to mention Jesus in this case) 👍
 
Cyber Knight:
Yes we worship the same God. We hold OT as well as proof that all the prophets and descendants are correct. (not to mention Jesus in this case) 👍
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Cyber Knight,

Jews deny Jesus is the Messiah, do not believe in the Trinity, do not accept the New Testament and do not acknowledge some Old Testament books that we as Catholics have included in our canon. So are you saying that the fact Jesus was a Jew is enough to claim the same God? Sorry if I am missing something here.

Peace,

George
 
George Waters:
Cyber Knight,

Jews deny Jesus is the Messiah, do not believe in the Trinity, do not accept the New Testament and do not acknowledge some Old Testament books that we as Catholics have included in our canon. So are you saying that the fact Jesus was a Jew is enough to claim the same God? Sorry if I am missing something here.

Peace,

George
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Its a matter of different faith between Jews and Christian. If you know the history then you have no problem with that. Islam in the other hand, claim that not only Jesus as prophet only but also descendant from Ishmael. Any Jews here could explain if their next messiah is from Ismael???
 
Cyber Knight:
Its a matter of different faith between Jews and Christian. If you know the history then you have no problem with that. Islam in the other hand, claim that not only Jesus as prophet only but also descendant from Ishmael. Any Jews here could explain if their next messiah is from Ismael???
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Ishmael, huh? I had not heard that before! Interesting…

Peace,

George
 
George Waters:
Ishmael, huh? I had not heard that before! Interesting…

Peace,

George
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Correction, I mean their prophet (muhammad) was Ismael descendant. Typo GW. relax…
 
George Waters:
There have been quite a few threads lately asking whether or not Christians and Muslims really do worship the same God. Many claim we do not as Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, but neither do Jews and there has been a lack of discussion in this area. If the divinity of Jesus is the criteria for determining if we worship the same God I have to ask do Christians and Jews worship the same God?
:cool: You know George, The Jewish Bible indicates strongly that Jesus is the lord - The trinity is indicated strongly in their Bible: But the Koran says that it is God Himself who says that Jesus if not His Son and never died on the cross – come on, think! There is all the diffference in the world. Learn George, Learn…, : :hmmm:

Peace,

George
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hdbarton,

I do not know who you are and what christian faith you protest, but since your highly motivated beginnings on this forum, you have done nothing but attacked Islaam and have been sarcastic and rude to many people, even to your Christian brethren.

Perhaps you thought this was CatholicFightMuslims.com, or BashNonCatholics.com. But if you go read the rules, this is a forum for discussion. Intellectual discussion for the purpose of education. The Catholics, although they may disagree with other religions, have, and this goes all the way to the papacy, tried to strengthen the ties between certain religions and have tried to reach out. Your posts on this forum, assuming you are a Catholic, are a disgrace to Catholicism. You have done nothing except try to insite enmity and hatred amongst members towards Islaam, while Pope John Paul II did the exact opposite. I would hope, again, assuming you are a Catholic, that you could take him as an example and realize, that you will never ever be able to call others to your faith by trying to beat someone down. You do so by building them up. Are you trying to proseletize your faith, or do you merely want to crush your opponent? It seems like you merely want to win the battle instead of winning a person. Lot to think about.

Jonathan
 
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hdbarton,

I do not know who you are and what christian faith you protest, but since your highly motivated beginnings on this forum, you have done nothing but attacked Islaam and have been sarcastic and rude to many people, even to your Christian brethren.

Perhaps you thought this was CatholicFightMuslims.com, or BashNonCatholics.com. But if you go read the rules, this is a forum for discussion. Intellectual discussion for the purpose of education. The Catholics, although they may disagree with other religions, have, and this goes all the way to the papacy, tried to strengthen the ties between certain religions and have tried to reach out. Your posts on this forum, assuming you are a Catholic, are a disgrace to Catholicism. You have done nothing except try to insite enmity and hatred amongst members towards Islaam, while Pope John Paul II did the exact opposite. I would hope, again, assuming you are a Catholic, that you could take him as an example and realize, that you will never ever be able to call others to your faith by trying to beat someone down. You do so by building them up. Are you trying to proseletize your faith, or do you merely want to crush your opponent? It seems like you merely want to win the battle instead of winning a person. Lot to think about.

Jonathan
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🙂 …, er, sorry: everytime i try to find something that is deeply bothering me out, seems like I make people very very angry at me, well, I really just wondered why Allah was concidered the Real God when Allah says Jesus Christ isn’t his son, and all who believe that Jesus is God go to the lowest of Hells forever and suffer the worst torments - so, asking this question, I hoped to get an answer because the contradiction in logic is so intense that it was making sleep difficult. But, because of all the help I received from all the wonderful people here, Muslims too, I finally have resolved the dilemma in my own mind and soul. I see that the Real Allah is Jesus Christ, The Lord, and my brother and my God. And that Allah that says such hateful things against humanity, and my God, is just a distortion of the truth that the real Allah is Jesus Christ. I feel greatly refreshed now that I finally have the answer. The Koran contains some truths about the nature of the real Allah so it is a holy book inspite of the horrendous lies in it. The king James Bible is also a holy book though it contains errors, but the perfection of Jesus is so great, that it overcomes all the errors in these works and so we can say they are holy because a drop of Jesus will purify a whole cesspool. How much do I love Jesus? An infinitude of ways and means! Now you see also that the Koran is really about Jesus Christ who is the real Allah and those passages About Jesus are certainly not true. But, perhaps, you know this all along? Thank you for your comments, In Jesus’s love, hdbarton ❤️ ❤️
 
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🙂 …, er, sorry: everytime i try to find something that is deeply bothering me out, seems like I make people very very angry at me, well, I really just wondered why Allah was concidered the Real God when Allah says Jesus Christ isn’t his son, and all who believe that Jesus is God go to the lowest of Hells forever and suffer the worst torments - so, asking this question, I hoped to get an answer because the contradiction in logic is so intense that it was making sleep difficult. But, because of all the help I received from all the wonderful people here, Muslims too, I finally have resolved the dilemma in my own mind and soul. I see that the Real Allah is Jesus Christ, The Lord, and my brother and my God. And that Allah that says such hateful things against humanity, and my God, is just a distortion of the truth that the real Allah is Jesus Christ. I feel greatly refreshed now that I finally have the answer. The Koran contains some truths about the nature of the real Allah so it is a holy book inspite of the horrendous lies in it. The king James Bible is also a holy book though it contains errors, but the perfection of Jesus is so great, that it overcomes all the errors in these works and so we can say they are holy because a drop of Jesus will purify a whole cesspool. How much do I love Jesus? An infinitude of ways and means! Now you see also that the Koran is really about Jesus Christ who is the real Allah and those passages About Jesus are certainly not true. But, perhaps, you knew this all along? Thank you for your comments, In Jesus’s love, hdbarton ❤️ ❤️
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: Ah, jcaz, my good moslem convert friend, believe me, in my desire to find out the truth about who the real Allah was, I never thought I would make anyone so extremely angry as i have made you: Let me apologize for not making my tone softer and more beautiful, form now on, all my posts will have you, personally, in mind. However, keep in mind that this is the first chat room for me and I just learned how to use the computer, so, you can be sure I will become more skilled at this as we go along, why look, I already have developed a very special relationship with you :bible1:
 
Cyber Knight:
Its a matter of different faith between Jews and Christian. If you know the history then you have no problem with that. Islam in the other hand, claim that not only Jesus as prophet only but also descendant from Ishmael. Any Jews here could explain if their next messiah is from Ismael???
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So you are OK with saying that the Jews, who believe that Jesus spoke a lie, worship the same God as you do (even when they clearly deny Jesus Christ)…but you have a probelm with Muslims worshipping the same God, when they at least accept the fact that Jesus Christ was sent by God?

That is really hard for me to understand
 
George Waters:
There have been quite a few threads lately asking whether or not Christians and Muslims really do worship the same God. Many claim we do not as Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus, but neither do Jews and there has been a lack of discussion in this area. If the divinity of Jesus is the criteria for determining if we worship the same God I have to ask do Christians and Jews worship the same God?

Just interested in your thoughts.

Peace,

George
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If we don’t - why do we trouble to have their sacred books ? 🙂​

Belief in the divinity of Jesus is one of the issues that distinguishes us from Jews - that doesn’t mean that we have nothing of great importance in common with them.

Though - one has, perhaps, to ask which Jews: Catholics may have more in common with Orthodox Jews than with those who are completely secularised. Judaism is as much a culture as a religion: the distinction did not really exist until after the fall of Jerusalem, when Judaea ceased to be confined to a unitary state in a single land, and spread to Egypt & Babylonia. The separation between land, culture, & religion has gone much further in Christianity, which was missionary from very early on. So there are significant differences in the sociological self-understanding of Jew & Christians.

People in the USA have endless differences among themselves: but they united by certain things, which they don’t have in common with (say) British people; who have certain common features which join them together and make them British subjects instead of US citizens. Which is one reason a Scottish Episcopalian, though a member of the same worldwide Communion as a USA Episcopalian, is not a US citizen, however much they may share certain attitudes, practices & beliefs. ##
 
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George Walters:
If the divinity of Jesus is the criteria for determining if we worship the same God I have to ask do Christians and Jews worship the same God?
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While we certainly do not accept the divinity of Jesus, I think that we worship the same God, albeit in different form. We all (Muslims included) all talk to the same God; we just speak different dialects.
Gottle of Geer:
Belief in the divinity of Jesus is one of the issues that distinguishes us from Jews - that doesn’t mean that we have nothing of great importance in common with them.

Though - one has, perhaps, to ask which Jews: Catholics may have more in common with Orthodox Jews than with those who are completely secularised. Judaism is as much a culture as a religion…
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As usual 🙂 , Gottle is talking sense (say I, the Orthodox Jew).
Gottle of Geer:
the distinction did not really exist until after the fall of Jerusalem, when Judaea ceased to be confined to a unitary state in a single land, and spread to Egypt & Babylonia. The separation between land, culture, & religion has gone much further in Christianity, which was missionary from very early on. So there are significant differences in the sociological self-understanding of Jew & Christians.
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Correct. Very perceptive! Take a (kosher, of course) chocolate cee-gar!

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
George Waters:
Cyber Knight,

So are you saying that the fact Jesus was a Jew is enough to claim the same God? Sorry if I am missing something here.

Peace,

George
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what is missing is the fact that Christians acknowledge God as revealed in the Hebrew Scriptures as the one true God. We further believe that Jesus Christ is not only the Messiah promised by the Jewish prophets in response to inspiration from that same God, but that he is True God and True Man, the second person of the Holy Trinity, and that his salvific action in history is the fulfillment of the God’s OT covenant.

there are dozens of threads about the God worshipped by Muslims. this is not one of them. can we stay on track, people. This issue is becoming like the Latin Mass, and injects itself in every discussion on this forum. give it a rest.
 
Cyber Knight:
Yes we worship the same God. We hold OT as well as proof that all the prophets and descendants are correct. (not to mention Jesus in this case) 👍
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I’m Lylea, :cool: and I’m new to religion, and new to this chat room. I’m orthodox right now but looking around still (even tho i’m 40 ish) But, you being from Indonesia? I think I read that in one of these posts–can you tell me if it is true or not that Mohamud actually married a tiny child and they had relations with her at age 9? I can hardly believe it and I bought a Coran Bible and can’t find it but my friends all say it is true and it is in there. Is it? and if it is how should I look at such a strange and werid thing - perhaps there is a different reason for it to happen or maybe it is just a vicious rumour. Please help, yours, Lylea, I asked this same question a coupla times but I think I was in the wrong rooms. :confused:
 
lylea Salas:
I’m Lylea, :cool: and I’m new to religion, and new to this chat room. I’m orthodox right now but looking around still (even tho i’m 40 ish) But, you being from Indonesia? I think I read that in one of these posts–can you tell me if it is true or not that Mohamud actually married a tiny child and they had relations with her at age 9? I can hardly believe it and I bought a Coran Bible and can’t find it but my friends all say it is true and it is in there. Is it? and if it is how should I look at such a strange and werid thing - perhaps there is a different reason for it to happen or maybe it is just a vicious rumour. Please help, yours, Lylea, I asked this same question a coupla times but I think I was in the wrong rooms. :confused:
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Hi Salas

Welcome. Anyway, I am not from Indonesia. (are you sure you hit the right person? 🙂 ) hardly to get correlation between what I was coming from and from your question about Muhammad marrying child age 9. I think you should address it to our muslims fellow here. This thread is about the Christian and Jew worship the same God not about Islamic issue. :rolleyes:
 
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