Christians = Catholics

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NonDenom said:
The Catholic church of today is a perversion of the original Church.
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Says you…🤷 However, I disagree based upon the Word of God and the verifiable historic writings of the early church.

“NonDenoms” are a very modern invention, and by and large share the same fundamental errors as the rest of Protestant theology, which stems from the “reformation” of some 500 years ago.
Of course it wouldn’t, the Catholic Church wasn’t around yet
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Unfortunately this is totally untrue since the verifiable early church documents show that they believed and taught the same things that Catholics still teach today. So not only does the New Testament support Catholic teaching, but they are also found in the early church writings.

What one does not find, however, is the fundamental doctrinal errors of the majority of n-C Christians, namely Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide.
Some of us have, you just won’t listen
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:rotfl: Oh I listen, I have just done my homework and reject it based upon the Word of God, the teachings of the early church, and God given common sense.😛
I’m NOT part of the denomination called the Catholic Church.
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That’s for sure! But neither is your doctrine that of the New Testament and the early church, but, (how did you put it?), “you just won’t listen”.
 
Oblaidon said:
I never said it was an offense to call a non-Catholic a Christian. That is fine because they are Christians. It’s when you don’t include Catholics into the Christian Category that it is a problem.

It might be because the non-Catholics **she knows **
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don’t belong to any one denomination, or they don’t want to identify themselves with say, Methodists, Baptists or whatever. So when asked what religion they are they say Christian. My daughter’s response should be, “Well, I am Christian too. I go to St. Brigids”

If someone asks me what religion I am, I say Catholic. Christian should be implied. If some says they are Christian my first question would be, “What church do you attend? Oh, so you are ‘Baptist’. We are Catholic.” I won’t say they are Baptist Christian, because the Christian part would be implied.

Should I just let it go and say, “Just be glad she is in with the right crowd?” No, I won’t do that. I don’t want her to think she is better than everyone else because she is Catholic, at the same time I don’t want her to be ashamed of it. It is a good point of discussion for a father and 15yold. So, next time it comes up we can talk about saying, “Non-Catholics Christians” when referring to the other Christian friends. (She first made the separation between Christians and Catholics, not me)My friend, I think it is definitely worthwhile to sit down with your girls and get into this whole thing and make sure that they have good answers for all that and can at least make an essential apologetics case concerning this, because as you can see based upon the n-C responses that you have witnessed here, regardless of what you and your kids do, you will still run into the rhetoric and propaganda in opposition to the truth.

If you don’t do anything but get them each a copy of San Juan Catholic Seminars Beginning apologetics # 1 it will better equip them than most all of their n-C friends.

To be honest, I would not encourage any Catholic youth to participate in n-C youth activities. If your parish doesn’t have them, maybe you are the persons that God is calling to help fill that need. 👍
 
Church_Militant said:
To be honest, I would not encourage any Catholic youth to participate in n-C youth activities. If your parish doesn’t have them, maybe you are the persons that God is calling to help fill that need. 👍
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Just attended a potluck for my daughters CCD. I was talking with the instructor and she mentioned she needed help with the kids. I asked my daughter if she minded if I helped. She said she didn’t mind. I hope to get a chance to share my story of how I was converted to Catholic, and my experience in the Baptist church. I was baptized as a Catholic when I was a baby.

I am thankful to this day I didn’t let the Baptists or any other nC Christians re-baptizes me. When they asked me if I wanted to be baptized, I told them I already was baptized. Even though I didn’t believe in the Catholic Church at the time, I believed I was officially baptized.
 
Church_Militant said:
Says you…🤷 However, I disagree based upon the Word of God and the verifiable historic writings of the early church.

This is odd being that your church has “man made” laws apart from Scripture.
“NonDenoms” are a very modern invention, and by and large share the same fundamental errors as the rest of Protestant theology, which stems from the “reformation” of some 500 years ago.
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This is not an anti-Catholic bashing thread. Please stop. Please return to the subject of this thread.
 
rpp said:
This is not an anti-Catholic bashing thread. Please stop. Please return to the subject of this thread.
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I’m only defending the anti-Protestant bashing that has been directed at me. Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn’t mean that I’m bashing. Regardless of what you think I don’t hate Catholics, I just strongly disagree with some of the things the leaders of your church teaches, as a matter of fact it has been some of you that have told me that I don’t belong to the body of Christ.
If I were to say that to you, I can only imagine the things that would be said. Sorry if it offends you but it’s how I feel, which is what I thought a forum was supposed to be about.
 
NonDenom said:
I’m only defending the anti-Protestant bashing that has been directed at me. Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn’t mean that I’m bashing. Regardless of what you think I don’t hate Catholics, I just strongly disagree with some of the things the leaders of your church teaches, as a matter of fact it has been some of you that have told me that I don’t belong to the body of Christ.
If I were to say that to you, I can only imagine the things that would be said. Sorry if it offends you but it’s how I feel, which is what I thought a forum was supposed to be about.
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This is off topic. Please return to the topic.
 
Atemi said:
Why don’t you like her calling Christians, “Christians”?

That is very odd to me that you would try to get your child to label other believers.
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Oh come off it. The OP stated very clearly that “Christian” is being used in contrast to “Catholic.” The claim of some Protestants to be “just Christians” is patently ignorant and naive (charitably assuming that it’s not deliberately dishonest). It’s one thing to say that you are “just a Christian” in the sense that you are faithful to the Gospel as Jesus intended it–that is of course a legitimate thing to claim. But when people use that phrase they create the impression that in some objective sense they are “undifferentiated” Christians influenced by no particular tradition. This is obviously nonsense.

Edwin
 
NOTHING up my sleeve, ladies and gentlemen: let’s see if I can steer this thread toward something germane to the original post.

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In my teenaged years and early adulthood, I came to know some Catholics. They were all (far as I know) cradle Catholics, and many were raised up north in communities where Catholicism, so far from being exotic, was the local majority religion. Yet they tended to call themselves “Catholics” and to contrast the term with “Christian” in certain contexts. I can’t quote from memory, but stuff along the lines of “Are you Christian?” “Well, um … I’m Catholic?”

Depending on the occasion and context, this contrast could have meant a lot of things–but the point is, the OP’s child might not necessarily be imbibing or parroting anti-Catholic slanderers. This whole “Catholic”/“Christian” dichotomy seems to be a homegrown phaenomenon for least a few Catholics…
 
Le_Cracquere said:
NOTHING up my sleeve, ladies and gentlemen: let’s see if I can steer this thread toward something germane to the original post.

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In my teenaged years and early adulthood, I came to know some Catholics. They were all (far as I know) cradle Catholics, and many were raised up north in communities where Catholicism, so far from being exotic, was the local majority religion. Yet they tended to call themselves “Catholics” and to contrast the term with “Christian” in certain contexts. I can’t quote from memory, but stuff along the lines of “Are you Christian?” “Well, um … I’m Catholic?”
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My own first response would be, “Why do you need to know?” But if I were inclined to answer, I’d say, “Yes - I’m Catholic,” which is not meant to imply a dichotomy, but rather, a subset - Christian being the whole set, and Catholic being a subset of the whole set. (Baptist being another, etc.)

But if someone asks me whether I’m Catholic or Christian, I sit them down and explain to them the facts of life - that Jesus founded the Catholic Church (that is, the original Christianity), and the rest of them are man-made interpretations of the original. 😃
 
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