Christians flee after Muslims destroy village

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Perhaps I misunderstood then. You think it’s OK to murder someone because they insult Muhammad? :eek:

And what Christians are insulting other religions? :confused:
i don’t think that murder someone because he insult mohammed (pbuh) is in thier laws

anyway all what i said that i agree that restrict that behaviour in laws is important , i even didn’t refere to specefic punishment
 
I hate when muslims assault some other ppl and it is put in the limelight meanwhile nobody seems to care about what the chinese government is doing to the muslims and what the Burmese Buddhists are doing to the muslims living in Burma…bet nobody knows about what the muslims go through in burma
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma
Just an example of something similar to this article: A muslim attempted to rape a buddhist women and in response the buddhists marched into the muslim village and burnt the mosque to the ground and burnt down shops and killed many muslims.
Yes what the muslims are doing here may not be right to christians but what about all the bad things that are happening to muslims from christians, buddhists, hindus, etc all around the world?

wasalam
 
if ur not bothered to click on the link here is some of it:

[edit] Muslims under General Ne Win

When General Ne Win swept to power on a wave of nationalism in 1962, the status of Muslims changed for the worse. Muslims were expelled from the army and were rapidly marginalized.[2] Burma has a Buddhist majority. Muslims are stereotyped in the society as “cattle killers” (referring to the cattle sacrifice festival of Eid Al Adha in Islam). The generic racist slur of “kala” (black) used against perceived “foreigners” has especially negative connotations when referring to Burmese Muslims. The more pious Muslim communities who segregate themselves from the Buddhist majority face greater difficulties than those who integrate more at the cost of observance to Islamic personal laws.[3]

Muslims in Burma are affected by the actions of Islamic extremism in other countries. Violence in Indonesia perpetrated by Islamists is used as a pretext to commit violence against Muslim minorities in Burma. The anti-Buddhist actions of the Taliban in Afghanistan (the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan) was also used as a pretext to commit violence against Muslims in Burma by Buddhist mobs. Human Rights Watch reports that there was mounting tension between the Buddhist and Muslim communities in Taungoo for weeks before it erupted into violence in the middle of May 2001. Buddhist monks demanded that the Hantha Mosque in Taungoo be destroyed in “retaliation” for the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan.[4] Mobs of Buddhists, led by monks, vandalized Muslim-owned businesses and property and attacked and killed Muslims in Muslim communities. This was followed by retaliation by Muslims against Buddhists.

The dictatorial government, which operates a pervasive internal security apparatus, generally infiltrates or monitors the meetings and activities of virtually all organizations, including religious organizations. Religious freedom for Muslims is reduced. Monitoring and control of Islam undermines the free exchange of thoughts and ideas associated with religious activities.[5] Accusations of “terrorism” are made against Muslim organizations such as the All Burma Muslim Union.[6]

It is widely feared that persecution of Muslims in Burma could foment Islamic extremism in the country.[7] Many Muslims have joined armed resistance groups who are fighting for greater freedoms in Burma.[8]

[edit] 1997 Anti-Muslim Riots in Mandalay

The racial tension in March 1997 between Buddhists and Muslims and the attack on Muslim properties began during the renovation of a Buddha statue. The bronze Buddha statue in the Maha Myatmuni pagoda, originally from the Arakan, brought to Mandalay by King Bodawpaya in 1784 AD was renovated by the authorities. The Mahamyat Muni statue was broken open, leaving a gaping hole in the statue, and it was generally presumed that the regime was searching for the Padamya Myetshin, a legendary ruby that ensures victory in war to those who possess it.[33]

On 16 March, 1997 beginning at about 3:30 p.m. a mob of 1,000-1,500 Buddhist monks and others shouted anti-Muslim slogans. They targeted the mosques first for attack, followed by Muslim shop-houses and transportation vehicles in the vicinity of mosques, damaging, destroying, looting, and trampling, burning religious books, committing acts of sacrilege. The area where the acts of damage, destruction, and lootings were committed was Kaingdan, Mandalay.[34] The unrest in Mandalay allegedly began after reports of an attempted rape of a girl by Muslim men. At least three people were killed and around 100 monks arrested.[35]

[edit] 2001 Anti-Muslim Riots in Taungoo

In 2001,Myo Pyauk Hmar Soe Kyauk Sa Yar (or) The Fear of Losing One’s Race and many other anti-Muslim pamphlets were widely distributed by monks. Many Muslims feel that this exacerbated the anti-Muslim feelings that had been provoked by the destruction in Bamiyan, Afghanistan.[36] On May, 15, 2001, anti-Muslim riots broke out in Taungoo, Pegu division, resulting in the deaths of about 200 Muslims, in the destruction of 11 mosques and the setting ablaze of over 400 houses. On May 15, the first day of the anti-Muslim uprisings, about 20 Muslims who were praying in the Han Tha mosque were killed and some were beaten to death by the pro-junta forces. On May 17, Lt. General Win Myint, Secretary No.3 of the SPDC and deputy Home and Religious minister, arrived in Taungoo and curfew was imposed there until July, 12, 2001.[37] Buddhist monks demanded that the ancient Hantha Mosque in Taungoo be destroyed in retaliation for the destruction in Bamiyan.[38] On May 18, however, Han Tha mosque and Taungoo Railway station mosque were razed to the ground by bulldozers owned by the SPDC junta.[39] The mosques in Taungoo remained closed as of May 2002. Muslims have been forced to worship in their homes. Local Muslim leaders complain that they are still harassed. After the violence, many local Muslims moved away from Taungoo to nearby towns and to as far away as Yangon. After two days of violence the military stepped in and the violence immediately ended.[40]

wasalam
 
Myanmar has a Buddhist majority. The Muslim minority in Myanmar mostly consists of the Rohingya people and the descendants of Muslim immigrants from Bangladesh, India, and China (the ancestors of Chinese Muslims in Myanmar came from the Yunnan province), as well as descendants of earlier Arab and Persian settlers. Indian Muslims were brought to Burma by the British to aid them in clerical work and business. After independence, many Muslims retained their previous positions and achieved prominence in business and politics.When General Ne Win swept to power on a wave of nationalism in 1962, the status of Muslims changed for the worse. Muslims were expelled from the army and were rapidly marginalized.[35]

Muslims are stereotyped in the society as “cattle killers” (referring to the cattle sacrifice festival of Eid Al Adha in Islam). The generic racist slur of “Kala” (black) used against perceived “foreigners” has especially negative connotations when referring to Burmese Muslims. The more pious Muslim communities which segregate themselves from the Buddhist majority face greater difficulties than those Muslims who integrate more at the cost of not observing Islamic personal laws.[35]

Muslims in Myanmar are affected by the actions of Islamic Fundamentalists in other countries. Violence in Indonesia perpetrated by Islamists is used as a pretext to commit violence against Muslim minorities in Burma. The anti-Buddhist actions of the Taliban in Afghanistan (the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan) was also used as a pretext to commit violence against Muslims in Myanmar by Buddhist mobs.Human Rights Watch reports that there was mounting tension between the Buddhist and Muslim communities in Taungoo for weeks before it erupted into violence in the middle of May 2001. Buddhist monks demanded that the Hantha Mosque in Taungoo be destroyed in “retaliation” for the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan.[36] Mobs of Buddhists, led by Monks, vandalized Muslim owned businesses and property and attacked and killed Muslims in Muslim communities. This was followed by retaliation by Muslims against Buddhists. Human Rights Watch also alleges that Burmese military intelligence agents disguised as monks, led the mobs.[37]

The dictatorial government, which operates a pervasive internal security apparatus, generally infiltrates or monitors the meetings and activities of virtually all organizations, including religious organizations.Religious freedom for Muslims is reduced.Monitoring and control of Islam undermines the free exchange of thoughts and ideas associated with religious activities.[38]

It is widely feared that persecution of Muslims in Myanmar could foment Islamic fundamentalism in the country.[39] Many Muslims have joined armed resistance groups that are fighting for greater freedom in Myanmar,[40] but are not Islamic fundamentalists as such.

wasalam
 
Zaki, first you claim that the news story is false (or imply it by calling the thread ‘‘pathetic’’) when proof is presented that the event is not just Christian propaganda you ignore it and lambast the world for forgetting the plight of Muslims.

There are Christian minorities in Burma too who are getting a rough time of it. Indonesia, Singapore, etc.

This thread is about the savage attack perpetrated by Pakistanis against their fellow countrymen based upon a difference in faith. I have a lot of friends from that part of the world, most Muslim, some Catholic, most agree that these events are far from uncommon in Pakistan.
 
Zaki, first you claim that the news story is false (or imply it by calling the thread ‘‘pathetic’’) when proof is presented that the event is not just Christian propaganda you ignore it and lambast the world for forgetting the plight of Muslims.

There are Christian minorities in Burma too who are getting a rough time of it. Indonesia, Singapore, etc.

This thread is about the savage attack perpetrated by Pakistanis against their fellow countrymen based upon a difference in faith. I have a lot of friends from that part of the world, most Muslim, some Catholic, most agree that these events are far from uncommon in Pakistan.
I thought it was false (or exaggerated) because it was from a catholic news paper and therefore knew that it would take the christian point of view.
Sadly, these are quite common even in India-christians and muslims are targetted by hindus but in burma I would say that muslims get the worst out of it.

wasalam
 
Perhaps in Burma Muslims do get the worse treatment. In many Muslim majority countries (and others, as you have said, BJP etc are very active in parts of India) Christians and other groups face extreme persecution. But this is not a competition to see who is the most persecuted group. This kind of prejudice is wrong.

The ‘‘Christian point of view’’ in this case is the actual fact of the matter.
 
as we need from christians to stop insulting other religions 👍

i don’t think that it was the act of government , as i don’t think that the laws state a destruction of village and church as punishment

but anyway , i believe that laws agianst blasphemy are wise for whoever seek the peace in the country

i don’t think that freedom of blasphemy is wise decesion to keep the people in peace with each other

my condemnation is for the behaviour of those muslims , not for blasphemy restrictions in thier laws
Those are laws protecting only the names of Mohammed and Islam. Where are the laws protecting the name of Christianity? If a Muslim blasphemies Christianity, what does the law say?

A person has a right to express their opinions about religion. It’s called “Freedom of expression.” Why is it that Muslims act in such a violent way when they think that the name of their prophet and religion is being blasphemed or degraded? We Christians hear about people talking bad about Christianity all the time, but do you see us burning down an entire village?
 
A person has a right to express their opinions about religion. It’s called “Freedom of expression.”
As much as I agree that people should be free to hold their opinion, you have to recognise that Pakistan is not America and has different Laws. Their view of ‘‘Freedom of Expression’’ may not be the same as yours.
 
As much as I agree that people should be free to hold their opinion, you have to recognise that Pakistan is not America and has different Laws. Their view of ‘‘Freedom of Expression’’ may not be the same as yours.
Many anti-Christianity books and movies were banned in some Islamic countries…but since Muslims are more sensitive,they make headlines
 
I thought it was false (or exaggerated) because it was from a catholic news paper and therefore knew that it would take the christian point of view.
Sadly, these are quite common even in India-christians and muslims are targetted by hindus but in burma I would say that muslims get the worst out of it.

wasalam
Did you see my other posts???

I provided 2 more news links outside of the “Catholic News” and they confirm the story and them some.

1 link was from a Pakistani Newspaper and the 2nd link was from Yahoo World News.
 
Oh gee - lookie here Zagi - another Non-Catholic news site covering the story.

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Pakistan: Police patrol streets after Christians murdered
  • Fighting broke out as Muslims torched 40 to 50 houses in Christian enclave
  • Muslims enraged over an alleged desecration of Quran at a Christian wedding
  • Muslims burned 15 Christian homes on Thursday
  • Pakistan predominantly Muslim, but has a small Christian community
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) – Security forces patrolled the streets of the eastern Pakistan city of Gojra on Sunday, one day after seven people were killed and 20 injured when Muslim demonstrators set fire to houses in a Christian enclave and fighting broke out, authorities said.

Police said Muslims were enraged over an alleged desecration of pages in the Quran at a Christian wedding last Saturday, and held a rally to protest such an act.**

cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/02/pakistan.sectarian.violence/index.html?section=cnn_latest
 
I thought I heard in the news that the allegations against the Christians were unfounded? If it is unfounded, then the Muslims who started the violence should apologize.
 
I thought I heard in the news that the allegations against the Christians were unfounded? If it is unfounded, then the Muslims who started the violence should apologize.
In all honesty, when has islam every apologized for anything?
Shehbaz Bhatti, federal minister for minorities, told CNN that four women, two men and a child, all Christians, were either killed when their houses were burned or were shot to death
Some 50 houses were burned down and more than 100 were looted by the protesters, Bhatti said.

There was a demonstration by about a thousand Christians who refused to bury their dead until the government registered a criminal case against those they alleged to have carried out the attacks.
cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/02/pakistan.sectarian.violence/index.html?section=cnn_latest
 
Oh, good golly Ms Molly -** is Al Jazeera covering the same story? **

You know Al Jazeera don’t you Zagi - It’s definately a Non-Catholic news agency.

Hmmmm…
**Christians killed in Pakistan riots **
I think you have enough proof here Zagi that the Catholic Church did not invent, exaggerate and created a bogus “false” story about Christians in Pakistan.

Remember Google is your friend.

I’m done posting the various news agencies covering the story -

I feel like I’m spamming the CAF board only to prove a point to a muslim member that the Catholic Church didn’t **create **this story.
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I thought it was false (or exaggerated) because it was from a catholic news paper and therefore knew that it would take the christian point of view.
 
i don’t think that murder someone because he insult mohammed (pbuh) is in thier laws

anyway all what i said that i agree that restrict that behaviour in laws is important , i even didn’t refere to specefic punishment
295-C. Use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of the Holy Prophet:
Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine. pakistani.org/pakistan/legislation/1860/actXLVof1860.html

(emphasis and underlining mine)

I thought you said blasphemy laws were good. This is one of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws - to murder someone because they insult Muhammad. Do you still think this is good?
 
295-C. Use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of the Holy Prophet:
Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine. pakistani.org/pakistan/legislation/1860/actXLVof1860.html

(emphasis and underlining mine)

I thought you said blasphemy laws were good. This is one of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws - to murder someone because they insult Muhammad. Do you still think this is good?
According to the Al Jazeera article same goes for the koran.
All the dead are Christians. I was told that they were burned alive.” :mad:
Television footage from the area showed police using tear gas to disperse an angry mob.
**Desecrating the Quran is punishable by death under the blasphemy laws of mainly Muslim Pakistan, **but no such sentences have been carried out.
 
295-C. Use of derogatory remarks, etc., in respect of the Holy Prophet:
Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine. pakistani.org/pakistan/legislation/1860/actXLVof1860.html

(emphasis and underlining mine)

I thought you said blasphemy laws were good. This is one of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws - to murder someone because they insult Muhammad. Do you still think this is good?
i said that blasphemy laws are good , but i didn’t say that death penaltiy as punishment is good

althought it’s very strict law but i think that they have the rights to defend the lies which said about thier prophet specifically when muslims are the majority

beside , such laws will prevent occuring of civil wars

may be muslims are very sensetive to thiere religion and thier love to thier prophet , but in the same time we can see christians are most haters for islam with very bad behaviours trying to raise the religious conflicts within society

they have rights to control such situations by strict laws , or do you think that it will be wise to allow christians insult muslims while muslims are the majority , then all of us will pray to God that muslims will welcome thiere behaviours and hide thier emotions and love thier enemy !!!
 
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