Christians Tetragrammaton

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These four letters are usually transliterated from Hebrew as IHVH in Latin, JHWH in German, French and Dutch, and JHVH/YHWH in English. This has been variously rendered as “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”, based on the Latin form of the term.[4], while the Hebrew text does not clearly indicate the omitted vowels. In English translations, it is often rendered in capital and small capital letters as “the LORD”, following Jewish tradition which reads the word as “Adonai” (“Lord”) out of respect for the name of God and the interpretation of the commandment not to take the name of God in vain.
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I am a bit strange, I had been using His name until a friend on CAF pulled me up and offered correction.

The reason i say i am strange is that i was using His name so not to be taking his name in vain. Collins 2
  1. excessively proud of one’s appearance or achievements,
  2. senseless or unsuccessful, he made a vain attempt to lighten the atmosphere, n
Collins dictionary

From the word i see it now as meaning falsely.

I got the picture from the bible that we are supposed to call upon Him and i was very serious in my endeavour so you could have a better life.

I have been told that Christian people also dont like His name being used either.

If Christian trinity is one God co equal how then it is ok to use some names but not any for fear of being vain?

Surely if all three are equal the commandment will apply to all names.

If it was just for our respect Jewish Brothers then should we not also deny the trinity, if i ask Jewish person this would surely be the bigger disrespect.
 
Saying “God” “Jesus” or “Holy Spirit” (although I’ve never heard that last one) in vain is the same thing. Jewish culture gradually came to an aversion of saying YHWH (translated Κυριος(Kyrios) in Greek, Lord in English) altogether.

To say it is wrong to say any of the words altogether, or even just one specifically, is incorrect, and is a case of judaising.

However saying one as a curse or an exclamation would be saying it in vain, and sinful.
 
Saying “God” “Jesus” or “Holy Spirit” (although I’ve never heard that last one) in vain is the same thing. Jewish culture gradually came to an aversion of saying YHWH (translated Κυριος(Kyrios) in Greek, Lord in English) altogether.
I am not so sure but i aint no scholar maybe the Greek word would convert but in the ancient tongue i think Lord would be “Adonai” better translated that would mean master this closest to Lord maybe “Elohim” the latter would be most likely in the old text before translation.

Y----H has greater meaning it is His name, He is self existent.
In comparison to that He beggets or comes from His say.

This is why i started saying and praying His name, i considered in my OT readings that some thing was wrong, like something was being hidden by the writer. How many times did His holy names appear and how many times did we slap in Lord.
To say it is wrong to say any of the words altogether, or even just one specifically, is incorrect, and is a case of judaising.
Thats where i was kinda but it is not so for Catholic Christians who have an authority here in flesh. My understanding is they accept this authority or are not Catholic.
However saying one as a curse or an exclamation would be saying it in vain, and sinful.
Amen
 
I am not so sure but i aint no scholar maybe the Greek word would convert but in the ancient tongue i think Lord would be “Adonai” better translated that would mean master this closest to Lord maybe “Elohim” the latter would be most likely in the old text before translation.
Adonai is translated “Lord” The Tetragramaton does not convert exactly and is conventionally translated “Lord” with all caps. The Greek Κυριοσ as far as I am aware is used for both. Of course to make everything harder its first appearence is translated “I AM” in English, which is exactly what the Greek is translated (εγο ειμι, ego eimi, same meaning.)
Y----H has greater meaning it is His name, He is self existent.
In comparison to that He beggets or comes from His say.
His name has meaning but a command from YHWH, or Adonai, or Elohim is the altogether the same. What he is saying has the same meaning and when looking at scripture this is what is important.
This is why i started saying and praying His name, i considered in my OT readings that some thing was wrong, like something was being hidden by the writer. How many times did His holy names appear and how many times did we slap in Lord.
I don’t think it makes a difference what the name used is. Such legalism is unhealthy.
Thats where i was kinda but it is not so for Catholic Christians who have an authority here in flesh. My understanding is they accept this authority or are not Catholic.
I don’t believe the Catholic Church prohibits the use of the tetragramaton, just that they don’t have many Hebrew speaking members. It is all about language.
 
Nine Two,
Your sharing was appreciated.
By His will may you and yours be blessed and guided.
 
Adonai is translated “Lord” The Tetragramaton does not convert exactly and is conventionally translated “Lord” with all caps. The Greek Κυριοσ as far as I am aware is used for both. Of course to make everything harder its first appearence is translated “I AM” in English, which is exactly what the Greek is translated (εγο ειμι, ego eimi, same meaning.)
YOU MIGHT FIND THIS INTERESTING.

web.archive.org/web/20040312064413/mysite.freeserve.com/newworldtranslation/john8.58.htm
I don’t think it makes a difference what the name used is. Such legalism is unhealthy.
I don’t believe the Catholic Church prohibits the use of the tetragramaton, just that they don’t have many Hebrew speaking members. It is all about language.

If i may, Jesus taught his followers to pray: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified [or, “be held sacred; be treated as holy”].” (Matt. 6:9, ftn.) On the final night of his earthly life, in prayer to his heavenly Father, Jesus also said: “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. And I have made your name known to them and will make it known,** in order **that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” (John 17:6,*26) This, in fact, was Jesus’ primary purpose in coming to earth. What was involved in his making God’s name known?

Jesus’ followers already knew and used God’s name. They saw and read it in the Hebrew Bible scrolls available in their synagogues. They also saw and read it in the Septuagint—a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, which they used in teaching and writing. If they knew the divine name, in what sense did Jesus make it manifest, or known, to them?

In Bible times, names were not mere labels. Says A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, by J.H.Thayer: “The name of God in the N[ew] T[estament] is used for all those qualities which to his worshippers are summed up in that name, and by which God makes himself known to men.” Jesus made known God’s name not just by using it but by revealing the Person behind the name—his purposes, activities, and qualities. As the one ‘who had been in the bosom position with the Father,’ Jesus could explain the Father in a way that no one else could. (John 1:18) Moreover, so perfectly did Jesus reflect his Father that Jesus’ disciples could ‘see’ the Father in the Son. (John 14:9) By what he said and did, Jesus bore witness to God’s name.

Notice too Ex 9:16; with Josh 2:10,11 see also Ps 91:14; 83:18 and finally Rev 3:12

Thank you for your time. Col 1:9-12
 
Bless ya dave, Brother that was beautiful, you make me feel less alone.

I am oft telling people just saying “in the name of Jesus” will not just make everything ok.

Jesus should be a verb so we can glorify Our Fathers name.

By His will may Our Father bless and guide you and yours as yous submit unto Him
 
Names

This Rabbi has some very interesting insights about the tetragrammation, and he says that Jews still pronounce the name in their prayers.

There are several parts to this lecture…
 
The true pronuncation of the tetragrammaton has been lost to history. according to one priest I heard lecture on it there are 72 known ways to say it but only one is right. So to avoid misspronuncing it we say lord instead.
 
The true pronuncation of the tetragrammaton has been lost to history. according to one priest I heard lecture on it there are 72 known ways to say it but only one is right. So to avoid misspronuncing it we say lord instead.
I would trust the word of Jews, who say the name in their daily prayers. A word to the wise…
 
The true pronuncation of the tetragrammaton has been lost to history. according to one priest I heard lecture on it there are 72 known ways to say it but only one is right. So to avoid misspronuncing it we say lord instead

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please see Ps.110:1

many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.

To take the most prominent example, consider the name of Jesus. Do you know how Jesus’ family and friends addressed him in day-to-day conversation while he was growing up in Nazareth? The truth is, no human knows for certain, although it may have been something like Yeshua (or perhaps Yehoshua). It certainly was not Jesus.

However, when the accounts of his life were written in the Greek language, the inspired writers did not try to preserve that original Hebrew pronunciation. Rather, they rendered the name in Greek, I·e·sous′. Today, it is rendered differently according to the language of the reader of the Bible. Spanish Bible readers encounter Jesús (pronounced Hes·soos′). Italians spell it Gesù (pronounced Djay·zoo′). And Germans spell it Jesus (pronounced Yay′soos).

Should we stop using the name of Jesus because most of us, or even all of us, do not really know its original pronunciation? So far, no translator has suggested this. We like to use the name, for it identifies the beloved Son of God, Jesus Christ, who gave his lifeblood for us. Would it be showing honor to Jesus to remove all mention of his name in the Bible and replace it with a mere title like “Teacher,” or “Mediator”? Of course not! We can relate to Jesus when we use his name the way it is commonly pronounced in our language.

Similar comments could be made regarding all the names we read in the Bible. We pronounce them in our own language and do not try to imitate the original pronunciation. Thus we say “Jeremiah,” not Yir·meya′hu. Similarly we say Isaiah, although in his own day this prophet likely was known as Yesha‛·ya′hu. Even scholars who are aware of the original pronunciation of these names use the modern pronunciation, not the ancient, when speaking about them.

And the same is true with the name Jehovah. Even though the modern pronunciation Jehovah might not be exactly the way it was pronounced originally, this in no way detracts from the importance of the name. It identifies the Creator, the living God, the Most High to whom Jesus said: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”—Matthew 6:9.

Is it, then, wrong to use a form like Yahweh? Not at all. It is just that the form Jehovah is likely to meet with a quicker response from the reader because it is the form that has been “naturalized” into most languages. The important thing is that we use the name and declare it to others. “Give thanks to Jehovah, you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high.”—Isaiah 12:4.

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please see Ps.110:1

Many prefer the pronunciation Jehovah. Why? Because it has a currency and familiarity that Yahweh does not have. Would it not, though, be better to use the form that might be closer to the original pronunciation? Not really, for that is not the custom with Bible names.
Different scholars have different ideas about how the name YHWH was originally pronounced.
In The Mysterious Name of Y.H.W.H., page 74, Dr. M. Reisel said that the “vocalisation of the Tetragrammaton must originally have been YeHūàH or YaHūàH.”

Canon D. D. Williams of Cambridge held that the “evidence indicates, nay almost proves, that Jāhwéh was not the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton ... The Name itself was probably JĀHÔH.”—Zeitschrift für die alttestamentliche Wissenschaft (Periodical for Old Testament Knowledge), 1936, Volume 54, page 269.

In the glossary of the French Revised Segond Version, page 9, the following comment is made: “The pronunciation Yahvé used in some recent translations is based on a few ancient witnesses, but they are not conclusive. If one takes into account personal names that include the divine name, such as the Hebrew name of the prophet Elijah (Eliyahou) the pronunciation might just as well be Yaho or Yahou.”

In 1749 the German Bible scholar Teller told of some different pronunciations of God’s name he had read: “Diodorus from Sicily, Macrobius, Clemens Alexandrinus, Saint Jerome and Origenes wrote Jao; the Samaritans, Epiphanius, Theodoretus, Jahe, or Jave; Ludwig Cappel reads Javoh; Drusius, Jahve; Hottinger, Jehva; Mercerus, Jehovah; Castellio, Jovah; and le Clerc, Jawoh, or Javoh.”

Thus it is evident that the original pronunciation of God’s name is no longer known. Nor is it really important. If it were, then God himself would have made sure that it was preserved for us to use. The important thing is to use God’s name according to its conventional pronunciation in our own language.

Forms of the divine name in different languages, indicating international acceptance of the form Jehovah
Awabakal - Yehóa
Bugotu - Jihova
Cantonese - Yehwowah
Danish - Jehova
Dutch - Jehovah
Efik - Jehovah
English - Jehovah
Fijian - Jiova
Finnish - Jehova
French - Jéhovah
Futuna - Ihova
German - Jehova
Hungarian - Jehova
Igbo - Jehova
Italian - Geova
Japanese - Ehoba
Maori - Ihowa
Motu - Iehova
Mwala-Malu - Jihova
Narrinyeri - Jehovah
Nembe - Jihova
Petats - Jihouva
Polish - Jehowa
Portuguese - Jeová
Romanian - Iehova
Samoan - Ieova
Sotho - Jehova
Spanish - Jehová
Swahili - Yehova
Swedish - Jehova
Tahitian - Iehova
Tagalog - Jehova
Tongan - Jihova
Venda - Yehova
Xhosa - uYehova
Yoruba - Jehofah
Zulu - uJehova
[Box on page 11]
“Jehovah” has become widely known as the name of God even in non-Biblical contexts.
Franz Schubert composed the music for the lyric entitled “The Almightiness,” written by Johann Ladislav Pyrker, in which the name Jehovah appears twice. It is also used at the end of the last scene of Verdi’s opera “Nabucco.”

Additionally, French composer Arthur Honegger’s oratorio “King David” gives prominence to the name Jehovah, and renowned French author Victor Hugo used it in over 30 of his works. Both he and Lamartine wrote poems entitled “Jehovah.”

In the book Deutsche Taler (The German Taler), published in 1967 by Germany’s Federal Bank, there is a picture of what is one of the oldest coins bearing the name “Jehovah,” a 1634 Reichstaler from the Duchy of Silesia. Regarding the picture on the coin’s reverse side, it says: “Under the radiant name JEHOVAH, rising up out of the midst of clouds, is a crowned shield with the Silesian coat of arms.”

In a museum in Rudolstadt, East Germany, you can see on the collar of the suit of armor once worn by Gustavus II Adolph, a 17th-century king of Sweden, the name JEHOVAH in capital letters.

Thus, for centuries the form Jehovah has been the internationally recognized way to pronounce God’s name, and people who hear it instantly recognize who is being spoken about. As Professor Oehler said, “This name has now become more naturalized in our vocabulary, and cannot be supplanted.”—Theologie des Alten Testaments (Theology of the Old Testament).

The apostle Paul leaves no doubt about the importance to him of God’s name. In his letter to the Romans, he quotes the same words by the prophet Joel and goes on to encourage fellow Christians to show their faith in that statement by going out to preach about God’s name to others in order that these, too, might be saved. (Romans 10:13-15) Later he wrote in his letter to Timothy: “Let everyone naming the name of Jehovah renounce unrighteousness.” (2 Timothy 2:19) At the end of the first century, the apostle John used the divine name in his writings. The expression “Hallelujah,” meaning “Praise Jah,” appears repeatedly in the book of Revelation.—Revelation 19:1, 3, 4, 6.
Again see Ps 91:14
 
Hi dj dave,
your post on Hashem was most informative.

B blessed B guided
 
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