Christians-why do we fight each other?

[rinnie]

Because if a Church believes they are the fullness of truth, then it would only conclude that Satan had a hand in any schism or heresy. Therefore Christians have endangered their souls from a Catholic perspective.

But I do agree with you; I wish I could commune and Evangelize with Catholics.

If the word of God states, the Church is the Pilar of ALL truth, which means the Church is the fullness of the truth, and someone denies a truth, that was given to it by Christ himself, who would be responsible for having a hand in heresy if not the devil?

So if the Catholic Church teaches it is the fullness of the truth, because it was told by Christ himself he would be sending the Holy Spirit to that Church, which again was the Catholic Church to lead it, how could it believe or teach anything else?

 

[rinnie]

Is it really necessary for ANY people of faith to be fighting one another?

Unfortunately sometimes. Its sad but true. How many people were and will continue to be persecuted for their love of God.

As long as there is sin in the world its going to happen.

We have it today, Don’t pray in school. You take out God and the devil enters.

How many people have been killed in OUR lifetime in schools since prayer has been taken out.

Sin and God do not mix, anymore then Love and the Devil do.

As long a people choose the devil, or evil over Good or God its going to keep on.

And the more people who reject God and his word, will continue to do evil and the works of the devil.

 

[rinnie]

I have been wondering, is it really necesary for us Christians to be fighting each other?

Don’t you see that our true enemy is out there? gaining ground every day. And yet we are here, fighting between each other, while we should at least be temporary allies. didn’t Jesus said: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.”

Everytime you turn your tv what do you see? When you go outside? Do you think that is what Christ wants? Do you think that our goals are so diferent?

Or is it me who is wrong? And we should have priority in converting between Christians?

The problem is when you have a Church who claims to be Christian, teaching or doing something that is not Christian.

Everyday a new Church begins and claims to teach the truth of Christ.

So if a person teaches as you have seen yourself in our lifetime, that they have the truth of Christ, and brainwash these people into believing to sleep with the preacher or whatever what are we to do?

Were these not, just good people misled?

I mean unfortunately because of lies being taught, we cannot just stand back and see people misled. IF you do not have ONE CHURCH here in this world teaching the fullness of the truth, who is going to have it?

 

[PJM]

=MacQ;11963393]I don’t think the OP was advocating giving up anything to join other denominations, or giving up truths.
Seems to me (as stressed in the Vatican II Council) that we should seek common ground where we can…not denigrate each other…tolerate differences.

I don’t think catholics have ever been big on aggressively trying to sway other Christians away from their churches, (tho we’re hugely happy when they decide to seek us out!). Catholics have traditionally not been out knocking on doors to help people find Jesus, nor have they been telling other Christians they’re going to Hell because of some belief or practice. I truly hope that we never devolve to that.

In my experience, people seek to convert to catholicism for several key reasons:
They sensed something missing at their church. Or the many churches they tried out.
They saw their church doctrine seemed to change depending on who the pastor was.
They saw their church abandon beliefs formerly held in deference to popular culture.
They sensed a need to come to Jesus, and noted some wonderful catholics in their midst.

Very well done!

Thank you and WELCOME!

Patrick

 

[MacQ]

Very well done!

Thank you and WELCOME!

Patrick

Thanks.

 

[Matthew_Light]

Is it really necessary for ANY people of faith to be fighting one another?

No!

 

[cheezey]

ditto

No!

 

[Paul_Edwards]

I have been wondering, is it really necesary for us Christians to be fighting each other?

Yes, so we can exercise and the loser can buy the winner a drink

And remain friends after

 

[JonNC]

A friend, who belongs to the Church of God, was able to travel to Russia during the communist era. He was smuggled down back alleys, through buildings, and finally ended in a windowless room for an underground church service. He was amazed at the richness of the experience and the willingness of the Russian Christians to suffer persecution for their faith. He went back after the breakup of the Soviet Union and tried to revisit the people he had worshiped with. The Orthodox were bickering with the Catholics, the Lutherans with the Baptists, etc. When I hear of people complaining about things and picking at differences, I think back on this story.

A friend of mine spoke recently of his experiences in Africa when his parents were missionaries, and the closeness that developed between different missionary groups. When the only Christians are the Catholics or Baptists in the next village, one comes to understand the unity in Christ we often fail to recognize in the relative comfort of western society.

Jon

 

[rcwitness]

Because if a Church believes they are the fullness of truth, then it would only conclude that Satan had a hand in any schism or heresy. Therefore Christians have endangered their souls from a Catholic perspective.

But I do agree with you; I wish I could commune and Evangelize with Catholics.

True. Likewise, Satan has a hand in members in full communion who abuse that grace. Therefore Catholics who contradict their faith endanger their souls… From a Catholic perspective.

So Christians can and should fight one anothers faults.

 

[KathleenGee]

I remember what this new bishop shared with me…‘Unity is most fragile’.

Having attended missionary priest gatherings along with other religious and lay, we witnessed alot of arguments. They invited us to their chapter meeting which comes about every 3 years, and ‘this is where we let it all out’.

So if you really had a gripe, you held on to it for 3 years.

Then when you get together, you let it all out. Priests.

And the other big issue, is when they are in a new environment or new secular or other issues are impacting the understanding of the universal faith, the big argument is putting the faith into practice in that specific environment. This is where priests make mistakes in implementing Christology…in practice in new and divisive settings where there is alot of controversy and upset. Very hard.

But yes, the fraternity of the missionary gathering would be there all the time, and to this day I miss it.

I have Dr Hahn’s new book on evangelization, and one of the historical pieces he draws out is how early Christians loved each other, how bishops would exhort the faithful to go out during the plague in pagan Rome to nurse those abandoned and left on the streets.

I think American culture is now just too narcissistic beyond individualistic. We have to learn again to die to self for the new life of Christ, and lay down our lives for our neighbor, even in the face of death. Most hard.

 

[MacQ]

:bowdown:

 

[KathleenGee]

Exactly.

This is what is putting off the Hispanics and other immigrants because they do not like seeing how we American Catholics pick and choose what we want to believe in as Catholics.

A good read is St. Francis of Assisi’s letter to Catholics in the universal church, written in 1221.

We have a faith without penance and the cross, but plenty of willfulness and comfort…a very bad mix …

Isn’t the road to hell wide and easy???

And St. Francis was both highly penitent and most highly joyous in the Lord.

 

[PJM]

=Paul Edwards;11979037]Yes, so we can exercise and the loser can buy the winner a drink

And remain friends after

I fail to see the humor in this situation.

BUT as to the OP’s Question.

“FIGHTING!” No, absoutely not.

DISAGREEING: YES ABSOUTELY.

**TRUTH is singular.

The day Benedict became Pope he is quotes as saying the following.

There CAN"T be your truth and MY truth or their would be NO truth"… And that friends is the truth, and why catholics cannot, maynot and should not just for the sake of fellowship, ignore that bot hhistory anf the bible itself yeach with total uniformity in both the OT and the NT:

There is but One true God: Triune

One God can and DOES have just one set of faith beliefs

And following His Own OT Tradition of ONE and ONLY one Chosen people; Christ Foundedm guides and guards ONLY One; Only His Catholic Church Amen!:thumbsup**:

God bless you,
Patrick

 

[KathleenGee]

It seemed I was witnessing fighting at the chapter meeting…my expression must have affected the provencial from Italy who then switched to Italian and rebuked ‘latino’…only word I could pick up in Italian.

I asked them how they could understand each other when they seemed to talk all at same time, and they answered, ‘Oh, we understand each other as such.’

Then so many hours later, it was all one big happy family again.

 

[madera]

I have been wondering, is it really necesary for us Christians to be fighting each other?

Don’t you see that our true enemy is out there? gaining ground every day. And yet we are here, fighting between each other, while we should at least be temporary allies. didn’t Jesus said: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.”

Everytime you turn your tv what do you see? When you go outside? Do you think that is what Christ wants? Do you think that our goals are so diferent?

so called christians who fight against one another are christians in name only.
they are not christians,

Or is it me who is wrong? And we should have priority in converting between Christians?

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I have been wondering, is it really necesary for us Christians to be fighting each other?

Don’t you see that our true enemy is out there? gaining ground every day. And yet we are here, fighting between each other, while we should at least be temporary allies. didn’t Jesus said: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.”

Everytime you turn your tv what do you see? When you go outside? Do you think that is what Christ wants? Do you think that our goals are so diferent?

Or is it me who is wrong? And we should have priority in converting between Christians?

It’s an extension of original sin, and the fact no man can have two masters. He will serve the one, and despise the other. Hence Catholics serve the Catholic Church and “despise” breakaway groups. Protestants serve what they see as “truth” and “despise” what they see as error.

The fact we are prone to the inheritance of original sin also means we are quite prepared to be vindictive in attacking what we see as “error” and defending what we see as “truth”, even if we’re mistaken ourselves.

Even Christ said He didn’t come to bring peace to the world.

Matthew 10:34-36 NIV

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-- a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

We could extend the concept of “household” to include those who belong to Christ, so fallen are we.

 

[madera]

It’s an extension of original sin, and the fact no man can have two masters. He will serve the one, and despise the other. Hence

Catholics serve the Catholic
Church and “despise” breakaway
groups. Protestants serve what
they see as “truth” and “despise”
what they see as error.

true christians do not fight.

The fact we are prone to the inheritance of original sin also means we are quite prepared to be vindictive in attacking what we see as “error” and defending what we see as “truth”, even if we’re mistaken ourselves.

Even Christ said He didn’t come to bring peace to the world.

Matthew 10:34-36 NIV

We could extend the concept of “household” to include those who belong to Christ, so fallen are we.

 

[madera]

It’s an extension of original sin, and the fact no man can have two masters. He will serve the one, and despise the other. Hence Catholics serve the Catholic Church and “despise” breakaway groups. Protestants serve what they see as “truth” and “despise” what they see as error.

The fact we are prone to the inheritance of original sin also means we are quite prepared to be vindictive in attacking what we see as “error” and defending what we see as “truth”, even if we’re mistaken ourselves.

Even Christ said He didn’t come to bring peace to the world.

Hi
no it is not out there, the entity is within, Christians who fight are
are only christians in name only, they are not true christians,

Matthew 10:34-36 NIV

We could extend the concept of “household” to include those who belong to Christ, so fallen are we.