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No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”

The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.

What do you think ?
 
It’s no secret that Christmas originated with Saturina. The Church switched the focus of a great many Pagan Holidays to something Christian. The other Solsteice is the feastday of St. John the Baptist. This isn’t by accident.

As for the idea that the “modern” holiday began in the 16th century, if you mean giving presents under a tree brought into the house, that may well have. Santa is certainly even newer though, so even that form is archaic. Christmas itself has been celebrated since quite some time ago, 4th or 5th century.

The tract is a clear propaganda piece by some sect or another that doesn’t celebrate Christmas.
 
Christmas, has symbolism on top of celebrating the birth of Jesus.

The triumph of Christ over the pagan gods. As the article says, we do not know the date of Jesus’ birth, so in my opinion it is fitting that a pagan festival be eclipsed and the date used to celebrate Christ.
 
This reminds me of a discussion I got into today with someone who insisted that Easter is a pagan holiday because “Ishtar”, from which he claimed the name “Easter” descends, was a pagan goddess. Yeah, sure, fine, but when I pointed out that English is virtually alone in calling it “Easter” (a topic we’ve dealt with a few times here on CAF, for anyone who is interested), and that most names for it come from cognates to the Hebrew “Pesach” (> Pascha, Pascua, Fasika, etc.) or the word for “Resurrection” (Al-Qiama in Arabic, Uskrs in Serbo-Croatian), or some connection to it being the greatest of days in the Christian calendar (“Great day” in most of the Slavic languages: Velik ‘great’ + den ‘day’ or some variation thereof), the anti-Christian’s argument degenerated into “yeah, well…Christianity is dumb!” Very silly arguments, all of these.
 
Well, if Pope Julius I is credited for stealing a holiday away from the pagans and claiming it for Christ…then I say GOD BLESS HIM! 🙂

The pagan theme of Yule, as you have stated, centred around the return of the sun - the light of the physical world. It is VERY FITTING then, that the Church enriched it with a meaning which multiplies this theme a million times over, namely EMMANUEL. 👍
 
A thousand years from now they will be saying that the feast of St Joseph the Worker was originally a communist holiday and therefore the Catholic religion is nothing more than a Marxist-Leninist ploy.
 
Other things with pagan origins include the English language, canoes, poetry, and curry. Also beer and red wine and chocolate. I am not giving any of these things up.
 
You do realize, however…it seems to be coming full circle.

Most people really don’t celebrate Christmas the way devout Christians would have it. Look at how commercialized it’s become. It’s become a time of partying and buying a bunch 'o ****, really.Oh, yeah, and going into massive debt. Know what’s sad? My son’s Christian friends are already anticipating the “stuff” thier parents are going to “get” them for Christmas. My atheist son seems to understand better than they that the “stuff” is just that…STUFF.

Hell, I’m not religious anymore (believe it or not, I was pretty into religion once) and I see it coming to pass. We have our newfangled Saturnalia in 2010;D
Christmas? What’s that???
Sad, really. However, that’s how the corporations that run this country and the economy would have the masses think…
 
What is bound on earth is bound in heaven, what is loosen on earth is loosened in heaven…

By the time Christmas was made a Christian holiday, most people were atleast cultural Christians…and the dark season of the year renders very well to creating the ambient for the coming of Christ as true Light of the world.

Christ did not ever tell us what His birthday was…if it was that important, we would have known about it 2,000 years ago.

Christ broke the power of the darkness of sin. He stopped linear time and brought us into God’s time where each day is a new day in the Lord. Many former pagans relished the freedom to publicly practice their faith after 300 years of persecution…not in every place or all the time…but finally they were free to worship God.
 
By some accounts, December 25 was the exact date that the three Maji arrived to visit the Child Jesus. On December 25, modern astronomical software calculated that Jupiter (the King planet) aligned with Regulus (the King star), and due to “retrograde motion” appeared to stop over the town of Bethlehem!

This is admittedly just one theory, but a fairly compelling theory. Based on this, I’d have to say that more likely the Pagan holidays were based on this joyful occasion - and occasion so joyful that our Lord wrote it into the stars!

bethlehemstar.net/dance/dance.htm
 
Plus, there are simply SO MANY pagan holidays, that it would be impossible to schedule a Christian holiday on day without a pagan holiday!
 
I just sat through about an hour long lecture given to me by one of my JW family members about how Christmas is pagan. Of course, they already think that Catholicism is pagan and me putting up a tree and other Christmas decorations is only confirming for them that I am a pagan. I decided to play into it. I told them that I am going to seek out as many Germanic pagan winter things that I can and incorporate them into my celebration this year, I usually only put up a tree. But this year, I am doing all the pagan things. I am gonna get a Yule log, mistletoe, a wreath, drink mead, etc. I am even thinking about going “a wasailing” this year.
 
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No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”

The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.

What do you think ?
you say PAGAN like its a bad thing. lol! actually i find some pagans quite delightful. it sound like you got ahold of the hiram key or the second messiah, which i may add are wonderful reads. however. were you aware, that the sphinx in egypt is a combination of virgo and leo? even the pagans could deduce that a virgin would conceive, and give birth to a son. interesting that Christ is called the lion of Judah among other things…hmm. the pagans got it right, even if they didnt know it at the time. aint God Great? also the apostle paul quoted pagans, and they are now part of sacred scripture. in him we live we move and we have our being. paul didnt pull that out of thin air. it was from a pagan poet! i could go on. but this should give you some food for thought. hopefully your suspension will end soon, and you can answer. peace to you and yours. 🙂
 
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No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?
The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.
In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.
Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.
The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.
In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.
Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”
The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.
What do you think ?
***TWO COMMENTS:

One: Your teaching is in OPOSITION to what THEE Roman Catholic TEACHES; NOT the way to get to heaven!

Mother Church retain th RIGHT and authority to set HOLY DAYS!

Two: As practiced by a GREAT MANY folks today; and certainly as understood by the Secular Media; it is a self effacing, gimmee, gimmee very satan oriented non-Chritian in meaningnor intent Jolly day; Not at all a HOLY day!***

***Let’s make sure we keep h HOLY in the Holly!

God’s continued Blessings,
Pat***
 
I just sat through about an hour long lecture given to me by one of my JW family members about how Christmas is pagan. Of course, they already think that Catholicism is pagan and me putting up a tree and other Christmas decorations is only confirming for them that I am a pagan. I decided to play into it. I told them that I am going to seek out as many Germanic pagan winter things that I can and incorporate them into my celebration this year, I usually only put up a tree. But this year, I am doing all the pagan things. I am gonna get a Yule log, mistletoe, a wreath, drink mead, etc. I am even thinking about going “a wasailing” this year.
may i recomend swatch wiessa. i think i spelled it wrong. anyhow. its black beer in german. good stuff! drink it at room temperature youll love it!👍 just be careful. it will foam up incredibly fast, and you will have to start slurping immediatly. by then youll already have a good buzz going. and if you can slip it secretly to said family member… well lets just say they will have a merrier pagan free holiday! lol! peace and merry Christmas to you! 🙂
 
Ed,

Thanks for the link…there was someone else who also did historical research and came back addressing the issue of paganism and the Catholic Church.
 
Mary appeared to Juan Diego…and on her tilma…she stood in front of the sun, representing the Sun God and instead had her hands folded in prayer pointing to heaven…she a creature of the Lord…pregnant with Him…

Before baptism, we were all pagans.
 
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No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?

The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.

In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.

Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.

The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.

In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.

Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”

The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.

What do you think ?
I think y’all ought to be paying us pagans royalties for the use of our holiday!👍
But, in the spirit of soltice, all we ask is that you cite our work properly, maybe a little “special thanks to…” at the end of the rolling credits as you finish Mass!😃
 
Before Christ – the world is essentially pagan. I mean, the Lord created the world good. It is sin that breaks the presence of goodness in the world…
 
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