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Is anyone here familiar with the book A Christological Catechism: New Testament Answers by Fr. Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J…? I’ve read maybe 1/2 - 3/4 of it. It dissects just about every event in Jesus’s life in the gospels, and basically offers several alternate interpretations of basic things like the Virgin Birth, Resurrection, parables, miracles, etc. And with all the historical componants, translation issues, the author’s intention, etc. that are explored, it’s really hard to pin anything down as fact. I had to stop reading the book because it was starting to fill me with despair. 😦

My question is, do you think that my reaction reflects a weakness in my own faith? Shouldn’t my faith be able to stand up to the “light of truth”…? On the other hand, does the research in the book qualify as the “truth”…? I can’t tell if Fitzmyer is orthodox or not, but on the surface nothing seems to contradict Church teaching…(don’t quote me on that, tho)…It just raises so, SO many questions. Has anyone else had a similar reaction?

Thanks!
 
Hi ac,

I haven’t read the book so I can’t comment on any of the issues you have raised directly.

There are tons of books out there that purport to show who the “historical” Jesus really was that treat the New Testament and early Christian history as little more than fables and fairy tales. Not only is this bad theology it also does a great disservice to history by bending and twisting the facts.

I don’t think it’s a negative reflection upon you that this stuff fills you with a sense of despair. Too often those writings can seem quite rational and logical and very seductive. I know I’ve read some things in the past that seemed that way. Later I found that what they wrote isn’t accepted by mainstream historians – even ones that may be agnostic and perhaps hostile to Christianity as a theology.

But there is plenty of stuff out there by good Christian and Catholic authors that is faithful to both history and theology. The Church for centuries has been made up of people who take academic research just as seriously as they do their service of Christ and the Church. They have produced work that holds to true to the general outlines of Church and Christian history without trying to overturn everything.

So you can find stuff that doesn’t try to tell you Jesus never lived or died in India or tells you that everything you thought about his birth was legend. There is a lot of good apologetic and historical research publish by Ignatius press that you could look at.

I hope this helps.

ChadS
 
Fitzmyer is one of the premiere scripture scholars in the world. He is quoted by just about everybody. I’m not vouching of course for everything he says, but in general I doubt there are few others that carry the kind of credentials and respect he does. The more different ways we can image Jesus and his teachings, the richer we are.
 
Is anyone here familiar with the book A Christological Catechism: New Testament Answers by Fr. Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J…? I’ve read maybe 1/2 - 3/4 of it. It dissects just about every event in Jesus’s life in the gospels, and basically offers several alternate interpretations of basic things like the Virgin Birth, Resurrection, parables, miracles, etc. And with all the historical componants, translation issues, the author’s intention, etc. that are explored, it’s really hard to pin anything down as fact.
If he rejects Church teaching on the virginity of Mary or on the Resurrection or on the infallibility of Scripture, then you should reject him as a teacher.

Catholics believe the teaching of Tradition, Scripture, and the Magisterium. The writings of theologians are only useful in so far as they are based on the same. No one should adhere to the teaching of any theologian, in and of himself, regardless of his credentials.
 
If he rejects Church teaching on the virginity of Mary or on the Resurrection or on the infallibility of Scripture, then you should reject him as a teacher.
I don’t see that he rejects any dogma. He just opens up the possibility that certain “miraculous” things in the NT maybe didn’t happen the way they’re presented. Yes, as ChadS mentioned-- Fitzmeyer is writing very much from a historical basis. So everything is examined in light of who the author “really” was, who was the intended audience, what were their intentions in writing, etc.

For example:

Fitzmeyer, to his credit, opens and closes the chapter on the resurrection by stating that belief in the resurrection is the “cardinal affirmation” of the Christian faith…He writes: “Not to admit the resurrection of Jesus means that one is not a Christian.” OK. So far, so good! But then the rest of the chapter puts up question after question re: the historical validity of the Gospel accounts. Was the tomb really empty? Only Matthew writes that the tomb was actually found empty-- and clearly this was “apologetics against the Jews”…And so it goes for the rest of the chapter. Each instance where the gospels contradict each other and Paul are shown in detail.

I guess what bothers me is that so many questions are raised, and then nothing is resolved. So, really it seems like the only thing the reader can be left with is doubt. I’m finding that doubt over little details infects the credibility of larger truths. I’ve always been interested (or thought I was!) in the history of the NT…but I really wish I’d never picked up this book.
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Spiritmeadow:
– The more different ways we can image Jesus and his teachings, the richer we are.
With all these different ways of seeing Jesus, as you mention – if the historical accounts are contradictory, then how do you know which to accept?

Thank you all for responding and letting me try to unravel my tangled thoughts…
 
ac claire:
Fitzmeyer, to his credit, opens and closes the chapter on the resurrection by stating that belief in the resurrection is the “cardinal affirmation” of the Christian faith…He writes: “Not to admit the resurrection of Jesus means that one is not a Christian.” OK. So far, so good! But then the rest of the chapter puts up question after question re: the historical validity of the Gospel accounts. Was the tomb really empty? Only Matthew writes that the tomb was actually found empty-- and clearly this was “apologetics against the Jews”…And so it goes for the rest of the chapter. Each instance where the gospels contradict each other and Paul are shown in detail.
If I may just say the fact that Fitzmeyer says that the resurrection is the “cardinal affirmation” of Christianity isn’t necessarily an endorsement of the idea. It’s just basically a way of saying he knows what Christians believes. I suppose the merits of his book can be based on how he handles these so-called contradictions and the questions of the historical validity he raises. If he ends the book by saying that based on contradictions and inconsistent reports then the Gospels can’t be trusted then I’d say to look elsewhere for your theology. If he wraps things up and says that these contradictions are only apparent and by further study of culture, language, theology etc. these can all be satisfactorily resolved then I’d say read on. The problems you see in his writings could very well be problems or he may be an old hand at agitating people by making them think only to bring them back around to show that they aren’t crazy for believing what they believe.

ChadS
 
What you are objecting to is something that many of the faithful have objected to in the works of modern Biblical scholars. This treatment of Sacred Scripture as books filled with errors, or at least as books whose contents are not sacred and are not infallible is one of the main problems with modern Scripture scholars. It is not unique to that one author. Their approach was rejected by Pope Leo XIII:

But it is absolutely wrong and forbidden, either to narrow inspiration to certain parts only of Holy Scripture, or to admit that the sacred writer has erred. For the system of those who, in order to rid themselves of these difficulties, do not hesitate to concede that divine inspiration regards the things of faith and morals, and nothing beyond, because (as they wrongly think) in a question of the truth or falsehood of a passage, we should consider not so much what God has said as the reason and purpose which He had in mind in saying it-this system cannot be tolerated. For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical, are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Spirit; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. This is the ancient and unchanging faith of the Church, solemnly defined in the Councils of Florence and of Trent, and finally confirmed and more expressly formulated by the Council of the Vatican. (Pope Leo XIII, Providentissimus Deus, n. 20).

But the trend continue unabated. Scholarship is placed above Faith. It is like the separation of Church and State; take the faith out of the scholarship and it quickly goes astray.
 
In the 19th century there was a great deal made about the “Historical Jesus”. It was largely a reply to the rationalists and modernists who had said that things like miracles were not scientifically provable and therefore could not happen. This thinking was by and large heterodox if not out and out heretical. I would not worry too much about someone who tries to recast Jesus in an historical mode to attempt to explain away the more “embarrassing” claims in the Bible. Look for, or better yet ask you Priest for some book which refute the Historical Jesus Movement. He should be able to help you.

Remember also, the Church, Tradition and Scripture are the final arbiters of human thought and behavior and there is no fear of scholarship. Remember that no new attacks have surfaced which have not been refuted in one form or another in the last 2000 years. There is much help out there.

God bless you.
 
Fitzmeyer, to his credit, opens and closes the chapter on the resurrection by stating that belief in the resurrection is the “cardinal affirmation” of the Christian faith…He writes: “Not to admit the resurrection of Jesus means that one is not a Christian.” OK. So far, so good! But then the rest of the chapter puts up question after question re: the historical validity of the Gospel accounts. Was the tomb really empty? Only Matthew writes that the tomb was actually found empty-- and clearly this was “apologetics against the Jews”…And so it goes for the rest of the chapter. Each instance where the gospels contradict each other and Paul are shown in detail.

I guess what bothers me is that so many questions are raised, and then nothing is resolved. So, really it seems like the only thing the reader can be left with is doubt. I’m finding that doubt over little details infects the credibility of larger truths. I’ve always been interested (or thought I was!) in the history of the NT…but I really wish I’d never picked up this book.

With all these different ways of seeing Jesus, as you mention – if the historical accounts are contradictory, then how do you know which to accept?
First I’m sorry to hear that reading Fitzmyer distresses you. I can understand this, expecially if this is your first foray into biblical exegesis. Part of the biblical scholars job is to raise the questions and give the reader the alternate views of what is thought. In most cases, there is a majority and minority view, still not I suppose the assurance you would desire, but in most cases thats the best they can do. To be sure, sometimes the majority is very large and one can feel more confident that what is said can be relied upon.

You should understand first and foremost that the Gospels were not historical documents. They were evangelical in nature, designed to persuade. Sometimes they were to do this for a local community of believers and sometimes they were anticipated for a much larger audience. The facts that we can discern help us evaluate the strength of the writer’s ability to portray the theological truths that are really the essence of the Gospels.

Depending on how you are reading, there is no “right” discription of Jesus or “wrong” one. If you view Jesus through a feminist lens, you see something quite different than if you view Jesus through a liberation motif. Similarly, an apocalyptic preacher or miracle worker. All in sum, give us a fuller picture, because we can be sure that Jesus was all of these and much more indeed.

Some find this kind of reading threatening to their beliefs and it makes them uncomfortable. There is no requirement certainly in the church that you read this material if it bothers you. There is a ton of apologetic and inspirational material who’s focus is more directly tied to a more literal straightforward examination of the text as they are.

The Jesuits are some of the finest biblical and theological experts in the world. That doesn’t mean they don’t err, everyone does. It just means that from a scholarly point of view, things are not investigated from a positiion of faith, but from a position as a scholar. One can be both of course, but as a pure scholar one is called upon to set aside one’s faith and try to look at the text objectively and to use the same tools that other experts would and do use in the examination of any ancient writing, say Plato or Juvenal for instance.

I find their work exciting, thought-provoking, and actually enhancing to my faith. Some do not, and those folks probably should go elsewhere to study further.

The oddity of course, is that though the Vatican places warnings to the general public as to how to treat this work, they not only do not forbid it, but of course the work is done right there at the Vatican itself. The author you are struggling with is a Jesuit, and of course Catholic. One must be careful in reading such material, and one must see it for what it is. As a reader, we attach the faith that is required in reading. The author may not do this, lest he lose his objectivity and ability to honestly describe his findings.

While our study may disabuse us of a notion or two we had assumed in faith, I never find that it in any way disturbs the theological truths the author of the writing intended. Often, at least for me, I am breathless with the extraordinary brilliance of the biblical writer, and overwhelmed by the depth of faith that produced the work. It’s quite often I find much deeper and philosophically sound that the mere reading would convey.
 
The following ideas have been condemned by the Church in Lamentabili Sane by Pope Pius X:
papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10lamen.htm
  1. They are free from all blame who treat lightly the condemnations passed by the Sacred Congregation of the Index or by the Roman Congregations.
  2. Divine inspiration does not extend to all of Sacred Scriptures so that it renders its parts, each and every one, free from every error.
  3. If he wishes to apply himself usefully to Biblical studies, the exegete must first put aside all preconceived opinions about the supernatural origin of Sacred Scripture and interpret it the same as any other merely human document.
  4. In many narrations the Evangelists recorded, not so much things that are true, as things which, even though false, they judged to be more profitable for their readers.
  5. The narrations of John are not properly history, but a mystical contemplation of the Gospel. The discourses contained in his Gospel are theological meditations, lacking historical truth concerning the mystery of salvation.
  6. The fourth Gospel exaggerated miracles not only in order that the extraordinary might stand out but also in order that it might become more suitable for showing forth the work and glory of the Word lncarnate.
  7. The dogmas the Church holds out as revealed are not truths which have fallen from heaven. They are an interpretation of religious facts which the human mind has acquired by laborious effort.
  8. Opposition may, and actually does, exist between the facts narrated in Sacred Scripture and the Church’s dogmas which rest on them. Thus the critic may reject as false facts the Church holds as most certain.
  9. The exegete who constructs premises from which it follows that dogmas are historically false or doubtful is not to be reproved as long as he does not directly deny the dogmas themselves .
  10. The divinity of Jesus Christ is not proved from the Gospels. It is a dogma which the Christian conscience has derived from the notion of the Messias.
  11. The doctrine concerning Christ taught by Paul, John, and the Councils of Nicea, Ephesus and Chalcedon is not that which Jesus taught but that which the Christian conscience conceived concerning Jesus.
  12. It is impossible to reconcile the natural sense of the Gospel texts with the sense taught by our theologians concerning the conscience and the infallible knowledge of Jesus Christ.
  13. Christ did not always possess the consciousness of His Messianic dignity.
  14. Not everything which Paul narrates concerning the institution of the Eucharist (I Cor. 11:23-25) is to be taken historically.
  15. The organic constitution of the Church is not immutable. Like human society, Christian society is subject to a perpetual evolution.
  16. Simon Peter never even suspected that Christ entrusted the primacy in the Church to him.
  17. Christ did not teach a determined body of doctrine applicable to all times and all men, but rather inaugurated a religious movement adapted or to be adapted to different times and places.
  18. It may be said without paradox that there is no chapter of Scripture, from the first of Genesis to the last of the Apocalypse, which contains a doctrine absolutely identical with that which the Church teaches on the same matter. For the same reason, therefore, no chapter of Scripture has the same sense for the critic and the theologian.
  19. The Church shows that she is incapable of effectively maintaining evangelical ethics since she obstinately clings to immutable doctrines which cannot be reconciled with modern progress.
  20. Scientific progress demands that the concepts of Christian doctrine concerning God, creation, revelation, the Person of the Incarnate Word, and Redemption be re-adjusted.
Many of these ideas are still found, in various forms, in the teachings of modern-day Biblical scholars. Some of the language they use has changed, but many of the basic incorrect ideas have not changed.
 
I am unaware of any of Fitzmyer’s work being suppressed or banned or called into question. Such does not mean it has not been, but I’m unaware of any. And he got his doctorate at the Pontifical Biblical Commission in Rome. A cursory search on google turned up no information regarding any questions about his work by the Vatican.
 
Some find this kind of reading threatening to their beliefs and it makes them uncomfortable. There is no requirement certainly in the church that you read this material if it bothers you. There is a ton of apologetic and inspirational material who’s focus is more directly tied to a more literal straightforward examination of the text as they are.
Thank you for the thoughtful replies!
To be honest, I think I may just be in the latter group you mention.(and maybe not the scholar I thought I was, before starting this.)
Fitsmeyer definitely has done his research, and there’s some interesting info, if I can just take that away by itself. Comparing some of the gospel texts to other historical and non-biblical writings from and about the same period, for instance. I learned some stuff, but I think I’ve had enough learning for now. 🙂
The following ideas have been condemned by the Church in Lamentabili Sane by Pope Pius X:
papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10lamen.htm
Well the fact that the Pope even had to put out this listing is weirdly comforting. I’m not the only one in the history of the world who feels the way I did - yay!
 
My question is, do you think that my reaction reflects a weakness in my own faith? Shouldn’t my faith be able to stand up to the “light of truth”…? On the other hand, does the research in the book qualify as the “truth”…? I can’t tell if Fitzmyer is orthodox or not, but on the surface nothing seems to contradict Church teaching…(don’t quote me on that, tho)…It just raises so, SO many questions. Has anyone else had a similar reaction?
You are not showing weakness, but perhaps newness? or just not having the information. Your faith will indeed be able to stand up to the light of truth, because your faith is the light of truth. You may just need to learn more, both about your faith, and about literary scholarship.
 
Thank you for the thoughtful replies!
To be honest, I think I may just be in the latter group you mention.(and maybe not the scholar I thought I was, before starting this.)
Fitsmeyer definitely has done his research, and there’s some interesting info, if I can just take that away by itself. Comparing some of the gospel texts to other historical and non-biblical writings from and about the same period, for instance. I learned some stuff, but I think I’ve had enough learning for now. 🙂

Well the fact that the Pope even had to put out this listing is weirdly comforting. I’m not the only one in the history of the world who feels the way I did - yay!
You just proceed at your own pace and in the direction that you are pulled. You may come back to something later. There is no right or wrong, just growth. The really only important thing is that you know what you are reading, is it academic or apologetic, or inspirational? Each of us probably moves within at least two of them back and forth. Our spirit guides us to what we need when we need it. Don’t force what doesn’t feel comfortable. Most of all enjoy seeing Jesus and God in new ways!
 
Is anyone here familiar with the book A Christological Catechism: New Testament Answers by Fr. Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J…? I’ve read maybe 1/2 - 3/4 of it. It dissects just about every event in Jesus’s life in the gospels, and basically offers several alternate interpretations of basic things like the Virgin Birth, Resurrection, parables, miracles, etc. And with all the historical componants, translation issues, the author’s intention, etc. that are explored, it’s really hard to pin anything down as fact. I had to stop reading the book because it was starting to fill me with despair. 😦

My question is, do you think that my reaction reflects a weakness in my own faith? Shouldn’t my faith be able to stand up to the “light of truth”…? On the other hand, does the research in the book qualify as the “truth”…? I can’t tell if Fitzmyer is orthodox or not, but on the surface nothing seems to contradict Church teaching…(don’t quote me on that, tho)…It just raises so, SO many questions. Has anyone else had a similar reaction?

Thanks!

No, not a weakness in your own faith, so much as the complexity of the issues which are bound up with the Gospels.​

Most of us are not scholars - we can ignore such questions most of the time. And sometimes (often ?) "“ignorance is bliss” :o. Most Christians can just get on with reading the Bible, and profiting from doing so as a means of grace, without bothering about the more “academic” issues. Just as most of us don’t have to bother about the detail of the differences between attrition (if we’ve ever heard of it !) & contrition.

But somebody, somewhere in the Church, has to bother about attrition & contrition. The difference is important, because we cannot know we are making an act of perfect contrition, if we have no clue what perfect contrition is. Somebody, somewhere, has to bother about the fine details of the history of the controversy over which is which & why, & somebody has to know what distinguishes the one from the other - even if the vast majority of us do not need to. That is why there are moral theologians, casuists, confessors, historians of moral theology - so that we don’t have to bother with these issues.

As with moral theology, so with the Bible. Someone has to deal with the questions that arise from it - we are able to get on without doing so, because there are those who do so. That we don’t know about such issues does not mean they do not exist or need not be faced. That we have translations of it is possible because the texts have been edited by others; & because the editors & translators have chosen particular readings. Most translations give only a very sketchy idea of what is involved - others do the work, we profit by it.

And the sorts of issues you mention have to be faced by someone - by many someones, not all of them Catholic. Whether one of Paul’s Roman addressees is to be called Junias or Junia is an issue not of doctrine but of the likely reading of the text; it cannot be settled by doctrinal considerations, but is an issue of the textual criticism of the NT, so has to be considered by text-critical means. Issues regarding authorial intention, or translation, or whatever it may be, affect how the text is to be understood. And that affects interpretation. Orthodoxy is not unimportant, but there are all sorts of issues it will not answer: exegesis of the Bible is not the same as dogmatic theology;both have their place, neither can do the work of the other.
 
Is anyone here familiar with the book A Christological Catechism: New Testament Answers by Fr. Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J…? I’ve read maybe 1/2 - 3/4 of it. It dissects just about every event in Jesus’s life in the gospels, and basically offers several alternate interpretations of basic things like the Virgin Birth, Resurrection, parables, miracles, etc. And with all the historical componants, translation issues, the author’s intention, etc. that are explored, it’s really hard to pin anything down as fact. I had to stop reading the book because it was starting to fill me with despair. 😦

My question is, do you think that my reaction reflects a weakness in my own faith? Shouldn’t my faith be able to stand up to the “light of truth”…? On the other hand, does the research in the book qualify as the “truth”…? I can’t tell if Fitzmyer is orthodox or not, but on the surface nothing seems to contradict Church teaching…(don’t quote me on that, tho)…It just raises so, SO many questions. Has anyone else had a similar reaction?

Thanks!
I can understand why you would be upset. I have read most of the answers in that book. I myself lately have been reading a lot of opinions about the scriptures and about who Jesus was/is, so it didnt hit me as hard as you.

I just want to know if Fr. Fitzmyer was a priest before he has reached all the conclusions found in the book.

He basically says that none of the doctrines he addresses in the book can be proven in the bible, such as the perpetual virginity of Mary, whether Jesus knew all things, whether Jesus knew he was God, whether Jesus was actully referred to as Son of God while he was on earth etc.

How could someone continue as a priest when he is not sure that the doctrines of the Church are the truth? Does he still believe that the eucharist is the actual Body and Blood of Jesus?
 
I can understand why you would be upset. I have read most of the answers in that book. I myself lately have been reading a lot of opinions about the scriptures and about who Jesus was/is, so it didnt hit me as hard as you.

I just want to know if Fr. Fitzmyer was a priest before he has reached all the conclusions found in the book.

He basically says that none of the doctrines he addresses in the book can be proven in the bible, such as the perpetual virginity of Mary, whether Jesus knew all things, whether Jesus knew he was God, whether Jesus was actully referred to as Son of God while he was on earth etc.

How could someone continue as a priest when he is not sure that the doctrines of the Church are the truth? Does he still believe that the eucharist is the actual Body and Blood of Jesus?
Haven’t you missed something pretty obvious? Catholics don’t believe that all true doctrines can be proven from the Bible.

Edwin
 
Haven’t you missed something pretty obvious? Catholics don’t believe that all true doctrines can be proven from the Bible.

Edwin
True, but beside the point. What does it say when a Catholic feels compelled to publish books that go into great detail, explaining precisely how the doctrines can’t be proven in the Gospels? Now, if he was doing this for apologetic purposes, that’d be one thing. But from what I’ve read, the data is just laid out for us and the conclusions he draws…Well, really, there are no conclusions. I guess that was my original problem with it. Out of all the other books on the subject at Half-Price, I bought this one because I saw a Roman collar in the author’s picture. I’m not saying I just wanted my beliefs confirmed, but I did expect a more Catholic perspective. You don’t really expect such ambiguity from a priest.

I want to add that I don’t judge the author’s heart or his intentions. I just question them in light of his writings. What I’d really like is to somehow talk to Fr. Fitzmeyer myself, but I know that’ll never happen.
 
True, but beside the point.
Perhaps beside your point, but not beside that of the post I was responding to.
What does it say when a Catholic feels compelled to publish books that go into great detail, explaining precisely how the doctrines can’t be proven in the Gospels?
He’s a biblical scholar. That’s his job. It’s extremely valuable to determine precisely what the Gospels, as historical documents, do and do not say. Catholics do not need to be afraid of this because you have the Tradition of the Church as the living context in which to read Scripture. It’s much trickier
What I’d really like is to somehow talk to Fr. Fitzmeyer myself, but I know that’ll never happen.
Why not contact him? James Akin did.

The question of how Christian faith relates to historical scholarship is a complex one, and obviously it’s particularly tricky when it comes to Scripture. (I myself am a church historian.) Some Catholics in online discussions I’ve been in have accused scholars like Fitzmyer and Brown of holding to a “double truth” theory–as if something could be historically false but theologically true. But I don’t think that’s what they’re saying. Rather, it’s a question of methodology–historians use certain methods to determine a certain kind of truth (just as scientists use somewhat different methods to determine another kind of truth). This truth cannot conflict with divinely revealed truth (that would be the heretical and absurd “double truth” theory), but not everything that we know to be true by faith can be proven historically, or vice versa. Certainly when the scholar is a priest and is dealing with Sacred Scripture he needs to be particularly careful not to give scandal. But nothing is more important than truth.

Edwin
 
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