Christopher West

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I have recently discovered the oh-so-popular Christopher West via word of mouth. I have been watching some videos on youtube and I find it unnerving.

Why is he so popular?

Does anyone else agree that something doesn’t seem right about this new trend?
 
Tony Robbins (“style”) meets Catholicism.

You are right it seems more like an infomercial or something.
 
Tony Robbins (“style”) meets Catholicism.

You are right it seems more like an infomercial or something.
The relationship between West’s pantomime-pop and Bl. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body is like the relationship between the Good News Bible and the Latin Vulgate. There are some points of correspondence, but not a perfect match, and the former contains some errors. Take him with a generous dose of salt.
 
The relationship between West’s pantomime-pop and Bl. John Paul II’s Theology of the Body is like the relationship between the Good News Bible and the Latin Vulgate. There are some points of correspondence, but not a perfect match, and the former contains some errors. Take him with a generous dose of salt.
And he’s “selling” rather than teaching or preaching.

I always wonder - how much is he making from this? It’s probably a totally unfair question, but …
 
I have no reason to think that Christopher West isn’t 100% genuine. He has made it his life’s work to make Catholic teaching on sexuality accessible to a culture that so badly needs the message. I can respect that even if I have some quibbles over presentation.

Does his approach resonate with everyone? Of course not. I think West’s strategy is to shake the lukewarm out of complacency rather than preaching to the choir. On that front, it’s hard to argue that he has not been successful.

But if you don’t like him, you’re certainly free to disregard him. He’s not a pope or a bishop.
 
I agree with you. It’s the style of presentation that tempts me to think uncharitably.
 
I agree with you. It’s the style of presentation that makes me think uncharitably.
True. (I wouldn’t go as far as Alice von Hildebrand, whose thoughtful essay on West is often quoted around here.) He has fairly (not 100%, but acceptably) sound content, but his presentation (both in text and on video) makes it hard for me to take him seriously.
 
I thank God for him as it brought me light in my darkest time of life.
You can analyze him, but I thank God for him and for the Priest who put his book into my hand.
 
I have recently discovered the oh-so-popular Christopher West via word of mouth. I have been watching some videos on youtube and I find it unnerving.

Why is he so popular?

Does anyone else agree that something doesn’t seem right about this new trend?
No.

He has changed **many **people’s lives with his lectures on Theology of the Body.

It sure helped me a lot.

Digitus Dei est hic.
 
Wow, that’s what the majority of the secular world asks about the Catholic Church :rolleyes:
I hope he makes good money. Hard work should be rewarded. I hope we can all make good money.
 
He is popular because a) he is teaching the Truth, b) IMO he really cares, c) he is trying to reach those who have not heard or understood what the Church teaches about sex and marriage, and d) he is enthusiastic.

Add me to the list on whom his work has had a profound impact, and my marriage too. He never seems to get any credit despite the probably thousands of testimonies in support of him.
 
I have recently discovered the oh-so-popular Christopher West via word of mouth. I have been watching some videos on youtube and I find it unnerving.

Why is he so popular?

Does anyone else agree that something doesn’t seem right about this new trend?
A regular Pied Piper isn’t he. Sure isn’t my cup of tea. I would advise everyone to stay away. A lot of solid people are having a real problem with him. 👍
 
It is unwarranted to tell people to stay away from West. If you do not like his style, fine. But you cannot ignore all the good he has done. At worst, if every critcism of him was 100% accurate, he would still be drawing many who would not consider the Church’s teaching at all back to the Church, and if he is as bad as he is sometimes made out to be, folks will realize this once they are back to considering what the Church teaches at all. A lot of solid people think he is doing a lot of good. 👍
 
And many more solid people 100% behind him. And as someone who has attended his courses I assure you he is not getting anything out of this. He is genuine, and he is passionate about these teachings. His style is popular because he reaches people where they are at using contemporay cultural reference to make points. If it’s not your style fine, but don’t steer people away from him, let them find out for themselves.

My impression is that his style is similar to “sitting with the prostitutes and tax collectors” and that those who seem to get all worked up about it come across as speaking like the Pharisees.
 
I’m personally glad to hear many have been helped by him.

Like I said I don;t personally like the style of presentation.

Maybe it’s an age thing.
 
I’m personally glad to hear many have been helped by him.

Like I said I don;t personally like the style of presentation.

Maybe it’s an age thing.
I saw one of his video presentations in college. I don’t remember exactly, but really it was a good presentation, I really didn’t think he was over the top in his presentation style. 🤷 Which one did you read, watch or listen to?

Of course for me it was preaching to the choir, but I used it as an apologetic work. (However, the in depth nature of the talk, made it difficult to put into practice). In fact one person there with us was trying to argue that there was no difference between NFP and contraception, while we were watching the video. (a theology major to boot, he now posts articles on facebook written by people in open dissent with the Church).
 
I have no reason to think that Christopher West isn’t 100% genuine. He has made it his life’s work to make Catholic teaching on sexuality accessible to a culture that so badly needs the message. I can respect that even if I have some quibbles over presentation.

Does his approach resonate with everyone? Of course not. I think West’s strategy is to shake the lukewarm out of complacency rather than preaching to the choir. On that front, it’s hard to argue that he has not been successful.

But if you don’t like him, you’re certainly free to disregard him. He’s not a pope or a bishop.
Dear Joe5859,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Hope all is well and jolly good to see you on the boards again.

Many men, dear brother, myself among them, have very grave concerns with Mr. West as a popular teacher of Catholic moral theology. Sadly, he appears intent on chasing secular culture (already in a dire state of moral deterioration) so as to be seen to be ‘relevant’ and with it, even stooping to the shameful level of using indelicate and irreverent language to supposedly serve that end. The chap has fallen for the fallacy that to reach modern man, shaped by a licentious and promiscuous culture, one has to communicate and express oneself in coarse speech to have any chance of being heard. However, this makes very little sense, since he mostly appears on stage before a well-adjusted Catholic audience, including mothers with children who have had to exit in horror and disgust. If he has enjoyed wide success then it because many contemporary Catholics are driven by their own worldly desires to accumulate for themselves teachers who will gratify the tastes of their carnal and self-willed hearts. This is surely why the truth seldom gets hearing now; men refuse to listen it, having a preference instead for irreverent discourses that pander to their worldly ‘itching ears’ (cf II Tim. 4: 3).

Notwithstanding our sex saturated culture, Mr. West apears to be thoroughly convinced that your American Catholicism is Puritanical, dear friend, and this has resulted in some jolly un-Catholic thinking. According to him, previous generations of Catholics have been unduly prissy owing to a repressive approach to sexual matters. This is arrant nonsense and an attempt to bolster his own pet theories and misrepresentations of H.H.JPII’s Theology of the Body, Wednesday Audience Adrresses. Moreover, it reveals a very defective understanding of our most holy religion, for sanctity and separation from the world is a divine mandate (cf. Rom. 12: 2; CCC, paras. 2013-20-15). We are bidden to strive for a deeper intimate union with our Blessed Saviour and to relinquish all that would hinder our efforts towards this goal. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Puritanism, Manachaeism or Jansenism, but it has everything to do with the godly pursuit of holiness. A hand in hand with the world type of religious practice has never been an option for any pious Catholic, for we are to keep ourselves “unstained by the world” (Jam. 1: 27), in other words, separate from distracting and demoralizing influences.

Mr. West, moreover, has not always been a spokesman for the Pope or Catholic doctrine. At the age of 21 he nearly left the Church because he considered its good teaching on birth control to be repressive and antiquated. Prior to his departure he decided to allow the Church to explain herself. Thus he read H.H.JPII’s 129 Wednesday Audiences on the Theology of the Body and this changed the way he viewed the whole universe. He said, “I knew that I would spend the rest of my life studying the Pope’s theology of the body and making it accessible to others”. Now, dear brother, this comes from a chap who finds deep meaning in that debased sensory material, rock music, and the Spiderman III film (which he admits has occupied his thoughts for many years now). Again, this comes from a man who boasts of his own rock drumming and pounds his chest to the beat of a rock group song whilst belting out “DEE-SIII-RE” to illustrate one of his undergraduate style theology lectures!

Much more could be said, but his presentations have been well critiqued and refuted by David L. Schindler and Alice Von Hilderbrand and I would strongly recommend that Catholics peruse these very carefully. However, dear brother, the answer to Mr. West’s strange teachings is quite simple. We must needs ask ourselves, just how much in recent decades has our sensus Catholicus been dulled and how much has our standard of decency been abased by the abounding depravity of Western secular culture? Have we become so densensitized that we cannot see that someone who utters the vulgarity of Christopher West cannot be regarded as a popular teacher of Catholic moral theology? Mr. West may well have good intentions, but his ‘mission’ is, in my and others opinion, yet another sign of the apocalyptic spiritual declension of our times, amidst the worst crisis in Church history. He deserves our ardent prayers for his repentance and a change of heart, no less than the public condemnation his scandals require.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

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You’re right, he does seem akin to Tony Robins; he makes millions with his books apparently. The other strange thing about him, is that it seems that he likes to be graphic. IIt also seems that some of his followers gang up on you if you so much as raise a question about his approach…very strange.
 
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