Chuck Missler and his wild anti-catholic views

[Chuck]

Today I was listening to Chuck Missler’s 66/40 radio program where he made the statement " … a Pope killed more Christians that the Romans did …" along with many other anti-catholic statements.

He is a convincing speaker with impressive professional credentials. But his Bible teachings are way out there! Is there any Catholic apologetic organization specifically working to refute his claims!

Chuck

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Chuck:

Today I was listening to Chuck Missler’s 66/40 radio program where he made the statement " … a Pope killed more Christians that the Romans did …" along with many other anti-catholic statements.

He is a convincing speaker with impressive professional credentials. But his Bible teachings are way out there! Is there any Catholic apologetic organization specifically working to refute his claims!

Chuck

Good question. Last year I heard a recording of him in which, if I recall correctly, made some convincing sounding arguments that the Pope (or the Church – it’s been a while) was actually the antichrist. This year I came across one by him “why I believe in Jesus Christ.” I thought, “maybe this is something I can agree with him on and he can help my faith,” but it turned out he wasn’t nearly so convincing on that issue. I’m not impressed with him if he can’t tell me something useful on a topic we agree on.

Alan

 

[James_2_24]

I seem to have vague relocation that Chuck Missler and Calvary Chapel have crossed paths, does he have anything to do with this Church?

 

[Andyman1517]

Which pope?

 

[RobedWithLight]

Chuck:

Today I was listening to Chuck Missler’s 66/40 radio program where he made the statement " … a Pope killed more Christians that the Romans did …" along with many other anti-catholic statements.

He is a convincing speaker with impressive professional credentials. But his Bible teachings are way out there! Is there any Catholic apologetic organization specifically working to refute his claims!

Chuck

Maybe we should ask him to substantiate his claims. One thing we can be sure of is that much of these anti-Catholic tirades purporting to be factual history are based on lousy historical scholarship.

Gerry

 

[SojournerOf78]

James_2:24:

I seem to have vague relocation that Chuck Missler and Calvary Chapel have crossed paths, does he have anything to do with this Church?

He has a close relationship with Chuck Smith from what I know, and I believe he moved from Idaho to begin teaching with a Calvary Chapel somewhere…I dont think it is Costa Mesa but Im not sure.

And you could check it out, I know Missler helped create the BluLetterBible…Chuck Smiths through the bible is on there under Audio commentaries, Smith might have helped in creating the BLB along with others.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Andyman1517:

Which pope?

I don’t remember it well enough to be sure, but it seems like he may have been talking about the position of pope, rather than any particular one.

Alan

 

[SojournerOf78]

What DOES Chuck Missler say about the Catholic Church anyway?

 

[Michael_Howard]

Missler like many other anti-catholics is making fistfuls of cash attacking the church and selling his trash to the ignorant and un-educated. CRI thinks he’s a scoundral, that should tell you something eh?

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Michael Howard:

Missler like many other anti-catholics is making fistfuls of cash attacking the church and selling his trash to the ignorant and un-educated. CRI thinks he’s a scoundral, that should tell you something eh?

At least he didn’t make any money off me. The audio file I heard of him was pirated.

Oops. Did I write that? :getholy:

Alan

 

[Trishark]

Has anyone from the church engaged Chuck? I have an anti catholic co worker and I know he is studying Chuck Missler so Im waiting for the attacks…

 

[elshadai]

Brothers and sisters in JESUS CHRIST.

Who is our final authority?

Wisdom of men, or the Bible?

To my understanding is always has been the word of GOD right?

Now the Bible tell us to,

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see if they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

If we are going to test, what Chuck Missler said is from GOD, or the enemy, we must have proof of that of which he speaks, and have a true answer from the scriptures.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

We must always answer in meekness, and in fear of the LORD not because we whan to, because our final authority in the earth is our Bible.

I do not belive that any Pope has been the Antichrist, we have not been yet in the tribulation, according to the Bible.

But on thing I will admit, all from Constantine, the Roman Emperor till know, there have been allot of dark ages in the Catholic Church, example,

Pope Innocent III, COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.

After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: “prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere” (Hefele, “Concilgesch”, Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).

This Pope did made the council of Toulose, and I did find corroborating evidence fron the, The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia article on Scripture

No deaths are mentioned here, only excomulgated for any person owning a Bible.

There is also the Inquisition, and we know that many people were killed in this one. If anyone can give me the tape on Chuck Missler, I will be more than gladly to investigate.

Blessings from our LORD CHRIST.

Why do I study the word of GOD?

2Ti 2:15 Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

 

[Trishark]

Thank you for your response… In further study of Mr. Misssler… He is not interested in Truth. With just a little diligence and some brothers in Christ I found that out pretty quickly. He clearly misrepresented the Church teaching often and has some wild erroneous views on Ecumenism and Infallibility. Pretty typical language for some!

If Christians our to truly unite they need to stop misrepresenting the others side. To disagree with a teaching on either side is one thing to misrepresent someone to sell books, slander, or because they didn’t do their due diligence is unacceptable and is not what Christ calls us to do. We are called to strive for unity. We will never reach this unless we approach each other with humility and good faith. Since Christ prayed for us to be one, we will be someday!

I disagree with you on the Bible being the final authority. I believe the Church is the foundation**. 1 Tim:3:15 …The house hold of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth"**

The Binding authority led by the Holy Spirit: Acts 15:28-29. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these burdens: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell."

Acts 16:4 " As they went on their way through the cities, they delivered to them for observance the decisions which had been reached by the apostles and elders who were at Jerusalem".

The authority of oral tradition 2 Tim1 13-14. Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus;
14 guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us.

This prophetic passage …2 Tim: 4:3-4.For the time is coming when people will not put up with sound teaching, but having itching ears, they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own desires, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth

I believe and agree with you their are sinners in the Church 2 Cor:11:2-4, Gal 1:1-6

I believe in Jesus Christ and that he left us with the “Fullness of Truth”. Matthew 16:18-19 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Peace be with you…

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Today I was listening to Chuck Missler’s 66/40 radio program where he made the statement " … a Pope killed more Christians that the Romans did …" along with many other anti-catholic statements.

He is a convincing speaker with impressive professional credentials. But his Bible teachings are way out there! Is there any Catholic apologetic organization specifically working to refute his claims!

Chuck

Thanks for the post. I just sent him a message expressing my disgust at such a remark. Here is where you can contact him: http://www.khouse.org/email

 

[placido]

Brothers and sisters in JESUS CHRIST.

Who is our final authority?

Wisdom of men, or the Bible?

The Wisdom of God through men. “For the lips of the priest are to keep knowledge, and instruction is to be sought from his mouth, because he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.” - (Malachi 2:7).

To my understanding is always has been the word of GOD right?

The only problem is if you try to equate the Word of God with the Bible, which is false.

placido

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Brothers and sisters in JESUS CHRIST.

Who is our final authority?

Wisdom of men, or the Bible?..

The Church is the final authority, not a book.

Christ chose men to teach, and gave them the authority to “bind and loose”. That is authority.

The Bible is the written word of God, but a book cannot excersise authority, only men can. And those men are the Bishops in union with the Pope - the true successors of the Apostles.

 

[TherealRbM]

Churck Missler is an obstinate heretic who has yet to meet the True Mary. He is an ignorant man who does not know what he is doing against our Blessed Mother.

He deserves our prayers and our pity - not our condemnation.

RbM

 

[placido]

Brothers and sisters in JESUS CHRIST.

Who is our final authority?

Wisdom of men, or the Bible?

To my understanding is always has been the word of GOD right?

Now the Bible tell us to,

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but try the spirits to see if they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

If we are going to test, what Chuck Missler said is from GOD, or the enemy, we must have proof of that of which he speaks, and have a true answer from the scriptures.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

We must always answer in meekness, and in fear of the LORD not because we whan to, because our final authority in the earth is our Bible.

I do not belive that any Pope has been the Antichrist, we have not been yet in the tribulation, according to the Bible.

But on thing I will admit, all from Constantine, the Roman Emperor till know, there have been allot of dark ages in the Catholic Church, example,

Pope Innocent III, COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.

After the death of Innocent III, the Synod of Toulouse directed in 1229 its fourteenth canon against the misuse of Sacred Scripture on the part of the Cathari: “prohibemus, ne libros Veteris et Novi Testamenti laicis permittatur habere” (Hefele, “Concilgesch”, Freiburg, 1863, V, 875).

This Pope did made the council of Toulose, and I did find corroborating evidence fron the, The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia article on Scripture

No deaths are mentioned here, only excomulgated for any person owning a Bible.

There is also the Inquisition, and we know that many people were killed in this one. If anyone can give me the tape on Chuck Missler, I will be more than gladly to investigate.

Blessings from our LORD CHRIST.

Why do I study the word of GOD?

2Ti 2:15 Study earnestly to present yourself approved to God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

I am curious: why do you call yourself “God Almighty”? - that is what elshadai (El-Shaddai) means.

placido

 

[elshadai]

**Brothers I do believe that the Bible is the final authority, but that would be another discussion, here we are talking about Chuck Missler were I asked all of you if anyone has the name of the tape, or cd they were listening to, so I can investigate.

If we want to talk or discuss if the Bible is the final authority or not would be on another subject in this forum right?

But I will add these verses were we are called to obey his commandments, and word.

Joh 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Joh 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will reveal Myself to him.
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, If a man loves Me, he will keep My Word. And My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him**.

If GOD did not took his word serious why would he say the following?

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

Paul said,

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.

I am sorry but the Bible is the manual of my life.

Be blessed.

 

[MonFrere]

Paul said,

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel to you beside what you have received, let him be accursed.

I am sorry but the Bible is the manual of my life.

Sure, the Bible is the greatest book ever written. I can easily call it my manual for life. And if we are BOTH honest we each depend on people other than ourselves to help us understand those passages we don’t get. Or, if these is some current controversial issue we lean on others to help us with how to “use the Scriptures” to properly divide it to come to a proper knowledge of God’s truth.

BUT … let’s talk about the Galatians. St. Paul wrote them this letter. At this time it was only a letter of St. Paul. What scripture were they going to use? What canon of scripture were they going to use? The canon used by those Jews in the area of Jerusalem or the canon of the Jews of the Dispersion? St. Paul, a Jew from Tarsus, was familiar with the LXX. Was this a proper canon to use? Was the Greek translation accurate from the original Hebrew? At this time in the history of the Church was the scholarship of the Jewish canon considered properly “authoritative”?

Where is the Old Testament is there any discussion how the Mosaic Law should be adapted after the promised Messiah would come? Did the early Church have the authority to change the Sabbath to Sunday? The early Church certainly did a number on the Mosaic Covenant with regard to a host of issues and as time went on more and more of it was made null and void. In fact, this was the major issue with the Galatians. They were being told BY PAUL that THE BIBLE (the Old Testament) was no longer binding upon them. If anyone could make the “sola scriptura” argument it would have been the Jewish people. They could have pointed to scripture and said SEE - HERE IN WRITING we are to circumcise our males to enter into the Covenant GOD gave to us. So, here in Galatia we have a classic case of BIBLICAL AUTHORITY vs CHURCH AUTHORITY vested in St. Paul, the Apostle. In fact, this was the basic argument of the first decades of the early Church. Without the authority that Christ vested IN THE CHURCH there wouldn’t BE a New Testament Church. If the scriptures were the final authority – we would be Jewish proselytes.

MonFrere