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The bishops are only expressing their personal opinions. Catholics can make their own prudential decisions on immigration policies. Personally, I believe that the bishops’ conference issues too many vague political statements on too many political issues. This makes the many statements too easy to ignore and gives the false impression that these many issues all carry the same weight. It would be more prudent for the bishops’ conference to focus on critical issues of human life and religious freedom.
 
The statements of our Bishops in this regard can not simply be dismissed with the wave of a hand. The Bishops are the Shepard’s, and in this way they are guiding the flock. Now certainly, this isn’t a magisterial declaration, but the bishops are simply formulating Church teaching on immigration into practical form. Certainly there can be debate about the many specifics involved, but to simply deny or dissent from Church teaching on immigration and the rights of immigrants is very problematic and will lead to other and greater difficulties.
 
The statements of our Bishops in this regard can not simply be dismissed with the wave of a hand. The Bishops are the Shepard’s, and in this way they are guiding the flock. Now certainly, this isn’t a magisterial declaration, but the bishops are simply formulating Church teaching on immigration into practical form. Certainly there can be debate about the many specifics involved, but to simply deny or dissent from Church teaching on immigration and the rights of immigrants is very problematic and will lead to other and greater difficulties.
Catholics are bound by Church teachings. The Church does not have a teaching on immigration so there is nothing to dissent from.
 
Their stance would make sense, if you belive that this is a country that cares for, protects and provides for their citizens more than where they may be coming from. In that sense, why wouldn’t the church want to give more the opportunity for safety and security through immigration reform? Yes it may be more of a burden on everyone, but isn’t that part of what being a faithful christian is, sacrificing of yourself to help those in need? Part also lies on the immigrants to learn to provide for themselves, but I think the immigrants show their desire to work towards a better life, because the journey to get here in the first place shows a willingness to do whatever they need to to provide a better life for themselves and their families. If they can pursue legal means of becoming a citizen instead of having to try to hide in the shadows, many of them would be able to become productive, and valuable members of our society. As well likely adding a significant number of new brothers and sisters to our family.

It would be good to at least look at where they are coming from, both the bishops and the immigrants, and consider it while you come to your decision on your feelings towards this matter.
 
We are to respect their prudential judgment on this matter and take it into consideration in our own views, but aren’t bound to accept it.

This is also different from other times when bishops or popes will use prudential judgment, because unlike issues related to, say war or the death penalty, theology related to immigration doesn’t go very far beyond “welcome the stranger” and “help the poor”.
 
I think Australia’s newly elected (Catholic) Prime Minister Tony Abbot said it best:
“The priesthood gives someone the power to consecrate bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ. It doesn’t give someone the power to convert poor logic into good logic.”

Our bishops deserve our respect and we must always pay them heed in matters of faith and morals. But that does not mean their stances on political issues-such as the economy or immigration-are infallible. We should still exercise our prudence and discern what is the proper course of action on these issues.

My opinion? If an immigrant is willing to work and contribute to his/her adopted country, and embrace it’s laws and values, then he/she should be welcomed with open arms regardless of race, skin colour, origin or religion.

If not, they can get lost.😃
 
Catholics are bound by Church teachings. The Church does not have a teaching on immigration so there is nothing to dissent from.
The Church most certianly does have a teaching on immigration. It is a natural right.
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CCC:
2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the *foreigner *in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him. Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
Bl. John XXIII:
  1. Again, every human being has the right to freedom of movement and of residence within the confines of his own State. When there are just reasons in favor of it, he must be permitted to emigrate to other countries and take up residence there.(22) The fact that he is a citizen of a particular State does not deprive him of membership in the human family, nor of citizenship in that universal society, the common, world-wide fellowship of men.
Pius XII:
We wrote specifically on this subject in a letter of December 24, 1948 to the American Bishops:

You know indeed how preoccupied we have been and with what anxiety we have followed those who have been forced by revolutions in their own countries, or by unemployment or hunger to leave their homes and live in foreign lands.

The natural law itself, no less than devotion to humanity, urges that ways of migration be opened to these people. For the Creator of the universe made all good things primarily for the good of all. Since land everywhere offers the possibility of supporting a large number of people, the sovereignty of the State, although it must be respected, cannot be exaggerated to the point that access to this land is, for inadequate or unjustified reasons, denied to needy and decent people from other nations, provided of course, that the public wealth, considered very carefully, does not forbid this.

Informed of our intentions, you recently strove for legislation to allow many refugees to enter your land. Through your persistence, a provident law was enacted, a law that we hope will be followed by others of broader scope. In addition, you have, with the aid of chosen men, cared for the emigrants as they left their homes and as they arrived in your land, thus admirably putting into practice the precept of priestly charity: “The priest is to injure no one; he will desire rather to aid all.” (St. Ambrose, “De Officiis ministrorum,” lib. 3, c. IX).

But no one who has heard our words, whether in our Christmas Address of 1945,116 or in our allocution of February 20, 1946 to the newly created cardinals, and in our address on the 25th of February to the Diplomatic Corps accredited to the Holy See, certainly, no one can be unaware of the grave concern gripping the heart of the worried father of all the faithful.

In these addresses and in our radio talks, we have condemned severely the ideas of the totalitarian and the imperialistic state, as well as that of exaggerated nationalism. On one hand, in fact they arbitrarily restrict the natural rights of people to migrate or to colonize while on the other hand, they compel entire populations to migrate into other lands, deporting inhabitants against their wills, disgracefully tearing individuals from their families, their homes and their countries.

In that address to the Diplomatic Corps, in the presence of a solemn gathering, we again affirmed our desire, often previously expressed, for a just and lasting peace. We pointed out another way of attaining this peace, a way that promotes friendly relations between nations; that is, to allow exiles and refugess to return finally to their homes and to allow those in need, whose own lands lack the necessities of life, to emigrate to other countries.

In our allocution to the cardinals on the feast of our patron, St. Eugene, on July 1, 1946, we again called upon the nations with more extensive territory and less numerous populations to open their borders to people from over-crowded countries. Of the latter, as is well known, Japan today happens to be the most overpopulated one.

We expressed the same view in our Christmas Address of 1948. It is better, we said, to facilitate the migration of families into those countries able to provide them with the essentials of life, than to send foodstuffs at great expense to refugee camps.

Therefore, when Senators from the United States, who were members of a Committee on Immigration, visited Rome a few years ago, we again urged them to try to administer as liberally as possible the overly restrictive provisions of their immigration laws.
Furthermore, it is well within the bishops’ competence to pass judgment on whether particular immigration laws are just or in need of reform:
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CCC:
2246 It is a part of the Church’s mission "to pass moral judgments even in matters related to politics, whenever the fundamental rights of man or the salvation of souls requires it. The means, the only means, she may use are those which are in accord with the Gospel and the welfare of all men according to the diversity of times and circumstances."53
 
Our bishops deserve our respect and we must always pay them heed in matters of faith and morals. But that does not mean their stances on political issues-such as the economy or immigration-are infallible. We should still exercise our prudence and discern what is the proper course of action on these issues.
However, the bishops generally have a better grasp of Church teaching regarding the economy or immigration than we do (granted, there isn’t a lot of Church teaching at least AFAIK on immigration).

It becomes distracting however when bishops are the ones who try and apply that teaching with regard to specific legislation with no clear moral principle at stake, as the USCCB often does. The bishops have a job to teach about faith and morals; applying it is for the laity.

However, with regard to our current immigration laws, IMO the comments regarding immigration reform by Cardinal Dolan were necessary, since they discriminate against the poor.
 
Per the OP,

As I demonstrated above, since the right to migrate is upheld by the Church as a right of man, it follows that the bishops can pass judgments on laws affecting it.

That being said, decisions of a bishops’ conference have no authority in and of themselves for the individual Catholic, unless said Catholic’s own bishop makes them his own. Furthermore, such legitimate judgments by a bishop would require religious submission. This means that one would have to, in a spirit of docility, make a good faith effort to accept and put into action the decision, but if this effort fails and one in good faith believes with relative certainty that the decision rests on an error (e.g. that such a decision would actually unduly harm the common good), then one could withhold assent and obedience, and may even criticize the decision in a manner consonant with one’s rank and competence, with due respect for the authority making the decision.

So in conclusion, the Church certianly has a doctrine on immigration and the bishops are within their authority to pass authoritative judgment on immigration laws. The authority of such judgments is much more than a mere opinion that can be cast aside at a whim, but they are also not absolutely and unconditionally binding as, say, definitive dogmatic judgments by the entire college of bishops.
 
Per the OP,

As I demonstrated above, since the right to migrate is upheld by the Church as a right of man, it follows that the bishops can pass judgments on laws affecting it.

That being said, decisions of a bishops’ conference have no authority in and of themselves for the individual Catholic, unless said Catholic’s own bishop makes them his own. Furthermore, such legitimate judgments by a bishop would require religious submission. This means that one would have to, in a spirit of docility, make a good faith effort to accept and put into action the decision, but if this effort fails and one in good faith believes with relative certainty that the decision rests on an error (e.g. that such a decision would actually unduly harm the common good), then one could withhold assent and obedience, and may even criticize the decision in a manner consonant with one’s rank and competence, with due respect for the authority making the decision.

So in conclusion, the Church certianly has a doctrine on immigration and the bishops are within their authority to pass authoritative judgment on immigration laws. The authority of such judgments is much more than a mere opinion that can be cast aside at a whim, but they are also not absolutely and unconditionally binding as, say, definitive dogmatic judgments by the entire college of bishops.
One is inclined to add that the USCCB thought Obamacare was a good idea until they realized it was as pernicious as some opponents said it was.
 
One is inclined to add that the USCCB thought Obamacare was a good idea until they realized it was as pernicious as some opponents said it was.
And this ties into my point that the possibility of dissent in such judgments (assuming they have real episcopal authority behind them, and not just that of the Conference)lies in the possibility of errors in fact, but not in a lack of authority for bishops to make judgments in such areas.
 
And this ties into my point that the possibility of dissent in such judgments (assuming they have real episcopal authority behind them, and not just that of the Conference)lies in the possibility of errors in fact, but not in a lack of authority for bishops to make judgments in such areas.
Maybe I’m overly concerned about such things, but I really wish USCCB and some of the state organizations would reserve their recommendations on particular legislation for cases in which there is no truly moral choice involved.

In my state, the Missouri Catholic Conference makes “support” or “don’t support” recommendations on everything from payday lending to how many gallons a toilet tank ought to hold. (well, I’m exaggerating a little on that last one).

And, while it does take a position, and rightly so, on clearly moral issues, it also takes positions on issues on which people are free to exercise prudential judgment, but doesn’t say so.

Even on payday lending, which one can easily regard as usurious, will outlawing it send people with zero credit to much more predatory criminal loan sharks, perhaps? Do these staffers think about such things? Do they research them, or do they just think “oh, high interest rates…oppose”. Do they ever consider whether people can afford the tax increases they almost invariably support?

And, it tends to take a “statist” position on most things. I sometimes think organizations like that and USCCB draw liberal lay staffers like honey draws bees, and one oftentimes doesn’t get a balanced view.

The hazard, it seems to me, is that such organizations (and therefore perhaps the Church) may simply be dismissed by some people as being extensions of a political party, or might mislead people into thinking there are moral imperatives that the legislation really doesn’t represent.

In looking at the percentage of Catholics who, say, voted for Obama, one has to wonder about the degree to which political advocacy misleads the faithful into very wrong ideas about what a moral agenda is and what it isn’t.
 
Catholics are bound by Church teachings. The Church does not have a teaching on immigration so there is nothing to dissent from.
The Church does have a teaching on immigration.

The bishops teaching on immigration is pastoral, based on the teachings of Christ and rooted in the commandment, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” which Christ himself said is like the first commandment to love God.

See CCC 2241 and CCC 2433. Also see paragraph 62 of Caritas In Veritate and paragraph 101 of Pacem In Terris

We are to think with the heart and mind of the Church, and that means thinking with the heart and mind of the Bishops who are the authentic interpreters of Scripture and Christ’s teachings. To think with the heart and mind of the bishop is to think with the heart and mind of Christ.

-Tim-
 
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