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Walking_Home
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I followed up --when you brought the SSPX and the puritanical protestant converts.
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I followed up --when you brought the SSPX and the puritanical protestant converts.
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Denise1957
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I hope you do not mind if I ask, but do you attend a EF Mass? Thanks.
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Walking_Home
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Hopefully in the future and it will be a diocesan EF.
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Denise1957
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MissRose73
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I have had the chance to go to an EF Mass, and will continue to go when I am able to do so.
I do not dress prairie style for it, but wearing a nice dressy shirt and long skirt with a mantilla. Most of the women at those Masses are conservatively attired into different ways, and not all cover their heads.
I do not dress prairie style for it, but wearing a nice dressy shirt and long skirt with a mantilla. Most of the women at those Masses are conservatively attired into different ways, and not all cover their heads.
Those are the best kind!
Glad to hear that you one day hope to attend the EF.
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Annabelle_Marie
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I myself am afraid to as I would be in pants…I don’t want to be sneered at_but I’m not about to try and find a skirt to go to one.Those are the best kind!
Glad to hear that you one day hope to attend the EF.
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TrueLight
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Annabelle no one would sneer at you at all. They’ll be too busy praying.
Don’t let that stop you from going.
I have seen women wear pants to the EF and not wear a veil. If you continue to go, you will just find yourself adjusting on your own.
By the way, when I go to daily EF mass, I am often wearing pants.
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CMatt25
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I think it’s great they are busy praying. That’s our point. If folks are focused on why they are there, they won’t have time to be focused on the attire of others. And then there is no distraction to speak of.
Why would she find herself adjusting on her own? Because she would feel out of place if she remained in pants and without a veil?
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TrueLight
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No, that’s not why. But I won’t bring the roof down over my head by explaining why.
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rainbow1
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I often go to EF Mass also…and I also often wear pants…find it helpful with a disc problem…and am never sneered at…(or at least I don’t notice it if I am
)…it is such a beautiful and reverent form of Mass that you will soon forget the worries about clothes…Blessings!
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Dan_Daly
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Sin has always been in the world. The 1950s were not a magical golden age. Neither were the 1800s or the 1700s or any other time. That is true.
Our current times though** are** incredibly depraved. Societal morals are lower. The key change is what you have described…
In the past all sorts of evils occured, but few strutted around proudly trumpeting their sinfulness. In our modern society we are told vices are virtues and virtues are vices. To a very large degree we have become a society without shame.
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Denise1957
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I sincerely hope that you do go to the EF. And as others have said, you will not be sneered at. Most of the women wear a dress or skirt, but it’s not mandatory. We’re not as judgmental as many here think, it’s just that we’re a bit old-fashioned. About 10 to 20% of the women wear pants at our TLM, and no one cares. About 60% wear a head-covering, but you don’t have to worry about that, either. Oh, I really hope that you’ll give it a try!
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Dan_Daly
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It’s a very good question.
- Remove the beam from my own eye, or in other words set a good example. For most of my life church attire was khakis and a polo shirt. On couple of occasions I’ve worn shorts. Now I wear a suit on Sunday. Dress pants, long sleeve dress shirt, and tie when I can make it daily Mass. Peer pressure can be a good thing or a bad thing. Do your part to make it a good thing.
- Pray for people. If I see someone I think is dressed immodestly (at mass or elsewhere) I try to say a quick silent prayer for them, that God would open their heart to a better understanding of His love for them and specifically help them to dress more modestly.
- Be friendly with people. Suggestions from a friend are often easier to take then from a stranger. “Have you ever thought of wearing a tie to Mass?” or “Have you ever thought of wearing a skirt to Mass?” can start all sorts of wonderful conversations.
I do know some people who have gotten an abrupt “you shouldn’t wear pants” on the way out of Mass from someone they’ve never met before. Almost exclusively, the comments I’m aware of like this come from older people. Maybe they don’t think they enough time left in their life for gradual measures, maybe they have been like that all their lives, maybe they have been around long enough to have a better understanding of just how bad dress has gotten in our culture. In any case, my advice is to be patient with people. God willing we will all be old one day. If the person giving advice is lacking in tact or kindness, perhaps the person getting the advice can make up the difference.
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CMatt25
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For folks forgetting their worries about clothes, the topic sure does come up alot here.I often go to EF Mass also…and I also often wear pants…find it helpful with a disc problem…and am never sneered at…(or at least I don’t notice it if I am
Blessings!
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severus68
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Thank you for explaining this.
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severus68
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Go as you want please. If anyone sneers at you, they are at mass for the wrong reasons and are to be pitied.
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rainbow1
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My opinion is Mass is too short to be distracted by other people’s poor choices… I for one am not going to let it bog me down “during” Mass…now, outside of Mass, I will do what I can to especially reach and teach the young…in their formation…to teach them about chastity and purity…and that is a toughie…here in the South, dating is the norm for middle school kids…I think it is disgusting…more parents need to say “NO!”…and to confront other parents…
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Charlotte1776
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So you dress in worse clothes to go to Church than you do for work because if you dressed respectfully for Church, you would be oppressed and it would suddenly turn Mass from a joyful occasion into yet another awful chore?
I can imagine some people would genuinely believe something like that, but that comes off VERY strongly as just an excuse to dress in regular clothes to church rather than a reason. Some people don’t like to wear nice cothes, but there are plenty of times where they are necessary. You don’t necessarily need to wear a full suit and tie to church, but dressing casually in front of God when you’d never dream of doing it at work or in front of an important person such as a president speaks a lot about the level of respect and importance someone places on being in the presence of God. God is really present at the Mass. If dressing in shorts and a T-shirt and taking it easy in front of the president if you met him on a weekend because, hey, I’m not at work would be considered disresepctful and would have some consequences, I don’t know why you’d think it would be okay to act that way towards God. It’s not about “oppression.” It’s not about wanting to chill and be comfortable at Mass because it’s not a workday. It’s not about keeping up with the Jonses. It’s about reverence and respect. The purpose of the Mass is for you to worship God, not for God to give you a break from work. Saying “I don’t want to dress nice in front of God because *I *don’t feel like it and it makes me angry to be told I should” takes the focus off God and onto you. To put it bluntly, it doesn’t matter what makes you feel comfortable at Mass. The purpose it to please God, not you.
It’s also about Christian witness. If I walk into a church and everyone is dressed in everyday clothes, it would give the impression that this church does not consider the Mass anything special, and that assumption would almost certainly be right. A big criticism of Catholocism from protestants is that it seems like their followers just go through the motions and don’t treat church and God with the reverence they should. Treating Mass the same way you would a bar at happy hour after work (i.e, a place whose primary purpose is to make you feel good and relaxed and where you can take off your suit jacket and let go of your cares and worries after a long day at the office) doesn’t do justice to God and the purpose of the Mass.
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Annabelle_Marie
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I don’t believe it’s about treating Mass like happy hour after work…
For me…it’s just feels hypocritical. I wear pants/blouses to work…jeans on Friday. I go to Mass everyday on my lunch hour. So God sees me in those…so now I’m dressing up differently on Sat/Sun? If you were to walk into the church I do to daily Mass…ya…you would see everday clothes. The impression that Mass is special would be assumed by the people praying reverently and giving up their lunch hour to go. And honestly…in my pants/blouse…I’m sure there will always be those to judge that it’s not “special” enough to them.
Seriously–“A big criticism of Catholocism from protestants is that it seems like their followers just go through the motions and don’t treat church and God with the reverence they should.”…have you been in some protestant churches? it runs the gammit…we were actually drawn back to the Church by the reverence given to the Eucharist…not the clothing. Just this Sunday while out for a bike ride…I went past several protestant churches…and some of those people looked like they just finished washing their car…
As far as the President…well…if I knew him…and visited him almost everyday…then I think we would be on good enough terms that casual clothes would not bother him. Although…seriously I could care less about our president…and what I wear around him…
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LilyM
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Good points. This is the same Jesus who first taught mankind to call the Deity not by the formal title of Father but the intimate and informal one of Abba - Daddy. The word is right there inthe quintessential prayer He taught - the Our Father.
Since by the logic of some, informality cannot possibly be consistent with respect or reverence, Jesus must have been the worst teacher on earth in this regard, and setting the worst possible example by so doing.
I have a close - and respectful - relationship with my earthly biological father, and I know for a fact that he couldn’t possibly care less how formally or informally I dress, no matter what the occasion. Of course the feeling is mutual. We don’t think respect is shown by clothing. Modesty or grubbiness is a different issue - certainly neither of us tolerate dirty, torn or too-revealing garb.
I am also reminded of the time St Francis of Assisi went to Rome to see the Pope. This is a saint who truly lived and loved holy poverty and humility. Certainly he dressed in rags in season and out, in Church and out. By choice, not because he had no means of obtaining anything better.
When he got to Rome, one of the Pope’s minders sneered at Francis’ disheveled appearance and suggested that rather than seeing the Pope he return to the pigsty where he obviously belonged. Being also in love with holy obedience, Francis took him at his word and set up camp in a nearby pigsty.
That night the Pope had a dream of a poorly-dressed beggar - Francis - who was singlehandedly supporting the Church itself on his shoulders and preventing it from toppling down. When he awoke he demanded to see Francis who came immediately, not even bothering to wash off the filth of the pigsty. In front
Since by the logic of some, informality cannot possibly be consistent with respect or reverence, Jesus must have been the worst teacher on earth in this regard, and setting the worst possible example by so doing.
I have a close - and respectful - relationship with my earthly biological father, and I know for a fact that he couldn’t possibly care less how formally or informally I dress, no matter what the occasion. Of course the feeling is mutual. We don’t think respect is shown by clothing. Modesty or grubbiness is a different issue - certainly neither of us tolerate dirty, torn or too-revealing garb.
I am also reminded of the time St Francis of Assisi went to Rome to see the Pope. This is a saint who truly lived and loved holy poverty and humility. Certainly he dressed in rags in season and out, in Church and out. By choice, not because he had no means of obtaining anything better.
When he got to Rome, one of the Pope’s minders sneered at Francis’ disheveled appearance and suggested that rather than seeing the Pope he return to the pigsty where he obviously belonged. Being also in love with holy obedience, Francis took him at his word and set up camp in a nearby pigsty.
That night the Pope had a dream of a poorly-dressed beggar - Francis - who was singlehandedly supporting the Church itself on his shoulders and preventing it from toppling down. When he awoke he demanded to see Francis who came immediately, not even bothering to wash off the filth of the pigsty. In front
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