Church Councils recognized by Protestants?

[headman13]

You are most kind, I appreciate your gracious words. I was JUST thinking about that this morning on the way to my office at church and came up with this aphorism: “Something that I would gladly and willingly give in love and respect cannot be forced from me with threats and violence; quite the contrary, it makes me all the more eager to cling to it.” I hope that says what I am thinking and feeling. Too often we on both sides try to bully people into accepting our views. It just doesn’t work.:nope:

 

[hlgomez]

“Something that I would gladly and willingly give in love and respect cannot be forced from me with threats and violence; quite the contrary, it makes me all the more eager to cling to it.”

Just an example:

If then the scripture says that if you commit deadly sins you are surely going to hell, isn’t this a threat? If the church says that abortion, divorce, euthanasia, etc. etc. are wrong, and the penalty for such is equivalent to that of the mortal sin, then is the church teaching a threat?

Pio

 

[headman13]

hlgomez:

Just an example:

If then the scripture says that if you commit deadly sins you are surely going to hell, isn’t this a threat? If the church says that abortion, divorce, euthanasia, etc. etc. are wrong, and the penalty for such is equivalent to that of the mortal sin, then is the church teaching a threat?

Pio

I don’t think mortal sin was what I was talking about, although I have a great deal more success sharing the Love of God in Christ with folks than standing in the pulpit yelling about “sinners in the hand of an angry God”. St. Paul says “even the Demons know that there is a God, and they tremble.” But my job as a pastor is to let people know that God loved them enough to die on the cross for them. THAT attracts people. To have you come at me with the thumbscrews and threaten me with hell for not being a part of the ROMAN Catholic Church when I am indeed a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church will make me hold on to that even more. You do not have a monopoly on being Catholic, Brother, no one does. It is arrogance and false spiritual pride like that that drives people away who might otherwise gladly embrace you. Get a clue: Honey/Vinegar, which would you choose? Jeepers, you never learn, do you?

 

[metal1633]

headman13:

To have you come at me with the thumbscrews and threaten me with hell for not being a part of the ROMAN Catholic Church when I am indeed a member of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church will make me hold on to that even more.

Well neither am I a ROMAN Catholic. I am a Maronite. But I can say that you, though the Lord our God has placed you on the narrow way and shoved you in the right direction, have by no means entered the gate. To say you are part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is disengenuous and misleading on your part for obviously you define “Catholic” and “Apostolic” differantly that the Church does. I, being a member of the Church of Antioch, am a member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Western Catholic, being members of the Church of Rome are also part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. You, being Lutheran, are a member of a schismatic denomination. Not part of the Fold. You may very well be one of the Lords “Other Sheep” and I pray you are, so let Him lead you through the sheep gate and come home to the Catholic Church.

You are not a heretic, either formally or materially. One must be a Catholic first in order to be a heretic. And neither are you under the Ban of Anathama decreed by the Holy Fathers of Trent. One must first be Catholic to be under the Ban.

You have entered into a life of Faith by the Grace and Mercy of God. I judge not your salvation nor the state of your soul. “No one can say Jesus is Lord without the Spirit”.

But you are a Sheep who thinks he is a Shepherd and you lead other Sheep around the Fields of the Kingdom of God while the Lord stands at the Gate calling you to come in to the Fold.

 

[matthew1624]

headman13:

Hi Matt. The Lord be with you.

May the Peace of Christ be also with you Headman.

headman13:

I would say—although I have no reference for it—that those councils, like the Carthage, Orange etc, which were not considered ecumenical would also still be accepted as authoritative, because they did deal with doctrines, like combating Pelagianism, that are accepted by all orthodox Christians. As for the Canon of Scripture, it is my understanding that the Synod of Westminster (1571) in drawing up the 39 Articles of the Church of England was the only official listing of canonical books by a Protestant Church body—I may be wrong. I think Dr. Luther’s translation ofthe Bible into German set the canon for German-speaking & Lutheran countries, sort of by default. I don’t think there was ever a council per se. I think most Protestants just assume that the Canon of Scripture has just always existed. Like a colleague of mine says, they think the Bible arrived in 1611 in a box addressed to King James I, with a note from God saying “Dear Jim, please publish this.” They have very little idea at all of where the Bible as we have it came from. Actually it is my study of the development of the Canon of Scripture and its dependence on the Oral Tradition of the Apostles that has brought me much closer to the roman view of Scripture and tradition.

As a catholic, I’d like to thank you for your contributions to this post. I really appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut.

God Bless…

 

[headman13]

matthew1624:

May the Peace of Christ be also with you Headman.
As a catholic, I’d like to thank you for your contributions to this post. I really appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut.
God Bless…

Thanks Matt. You are most kind. Blessings to you as well.

Am looking forward to our celebration this Sunday of the Feast of Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Lord. I hope you all have a blessed Feast of the Assumption of Our Lady. Wish I could share my Sunday sermon with you all. It’s written, but not typed in the computer yet. * Title of Sermon: “All Generations Call Her Blessed” Blessings to you all+ Headman*