Church Exorcist and Pro Life Priest Warns Against Harry Potter

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F.A.O. Mumbles140/ Reply to Post 681

Dear Mumbles,

You are failing to appreciate that in our undeniably decadent age we have all, to a greater or lesser degree, become accustomed to imbibing a certain amount of cultural poison in our diet. So much so in some cases that many are no longer aware that it is poison. Some are to be found passionately defending taking small, but nevertheless harmful, doses of the poison via the medium of rock music, salacious films and tv programmes and uwholesome literature. This I am convinced is one of the reasons why many Catholics do not recognize the Potter novels as being problematic or unhealthy reading material, especially for the young. Now this does have a great deal to do with Catholics becoming befouled with the godless spirit of the times so that they have lost the faculty to make the right decisions when it comes to the arts and literature. It may be an unpalatable truth, but yes, sadly, many of the faithful are no longer able to discern what is good and acceptable and wholesome because they are too conformed to this world and its godless ways; they spend far too much time setting their minds on earthly things and not on things above, thus it is hardly surprising that their spiritual senses are dulled and defective.

The Potter series of books are anything but “a moral voice in a very immoral world” and it is so sad to hear such a comment made but it affords evidence enough that men have become infused by the spirit of the times. Whilst it is true that there has not been any official pronouncement by the Vatican office about the Potter series and Catholics must use their own prudential judgement, one must, if one is not to fall into a fundamentalist mindset of looking for ‘chapter’ and ‘verse’, look at the broader picture of the Chuch’s call to the pursuit of holiness. Surely as Catholics we look not merely to the letter of the Church’s teaching, but to its spirit also. Now an integral aspect of the quest for holiness is the avoidance of any culturally unhealthy literature and debased sensory material such as rock music, as this will not aid us in our “spiritual progress” (that) “tends towards ever more intimate communion with Christ” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, para. 2014). Can we as Catholics comfortably read, or permit our offspring to read, a series of books that will contribute to insidously brainwashing our children with the moral illiteracy and relativism that is now so ubiquitous in our irreligious society? How is that going to further our spiritual progress and enable us to think with a sound Christian mind? So, “educated mind” or not, these books are unsuitable and spiritually harmful. In any case, why would we even want to read works of fiction that promote moral ambivalence. Ignoble works of fiction such as the Potter novels could only gain widespread acceptance and popularity in superficial and frivilous times like ours, which are witnessing the ever increasing paganization of culture.

It is indeed incumbent upon parents to be vigilant as regards the books which their children read, but many, I fear, all too readily neglect this responsibility or sucumb to their child’s wishes so as not to appear an oddball or a moralistic fuddy-duddy. One needs to be made of jolly strong stuff to stand firm when one’s child protests by saying “all my friends are reading the Potter books; their parents don’t anything wrong with them, so why can’t I read them?”. How many parents today are rigidly strict and uncompromising?

Just to set the record straight, I have never argued that every child that reads a Potter book will almost certainly be sucked into satanic cults or witchcraft covens, but we cannot ignore the blunt warning of Father Amorth, the chief exorcist in Rome, who said, “Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of darkness, the Devil”. Many of us respectfully defer to his opinion because we recognise his expertise and authority in matters appertaining to the occult, even if it does not extend to fantasy literature. Remember also that the Vatican has never disowned or denounced his opinion, so it is reasonable to assume that it does not deem it to be extreme or outrageous

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

PS Don’t worry, I have not forgotten a comparison of Rowling with Tolkein and Lewis.
 
F.A.O. Mumbles140/ Reply to Post 681

It is indeed incumbent upon parents to be vigilant as regards the books which their children read, but many, I fear, all too readily neglect this responsibility or sucumb to their child’s wishes so as not to appear an oddball or a moralistic fuddy-duddy. One needs to be made of jolly strong stuff to stand firm when one’s child protests by saying “all my friends are reading the Potter books; their parents don’t anything wrong with them, so why can’t I read them?”. How many parents today are rigidly strict and uncompromising?
Or, as a parent one could actually read the books, realize their reinforcemement of decidely christian themes and virtues. Then use them as a counter to the “doses of poison” elsewhere in the popular culture on Disney Channel, Nickelodeon etc. And be firm enough in one’s convictions to resist those who see offense where non is intended.

Again, most of the take away isn’t what Rowlings puts in the books, it’s the perspective the reader brings to the work to begin with. Great lines from a Stan Freeburg song, “Smut” off of “That Was the Year that Was”


When correctly viewed
Anything is lewd.
I could tell you stories about Peter Pan,
Or the Wizard of Oz
(There’s a dirty old man)
 
but we cannot ignore the blunt warning of Father Amorth, the chief exorcist in Rome, who said, “Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of darkness, the Devil”.
AGAIN… you fail to read ALL THE FACTS… I found the quote you refer to…

“Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,” Father Amorth has been quoted as saying. According to Father Amorth, J.K. Rowling’s books make a false distinction between black and white magic. Amorth says that distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil."

Take note of that last part… if you hold his opinion in such high regard and he says that there is no distinction between “good” and “bad” magic… then the magic in Narnia and LOTR is also unacceptable and if you honestly think there’s any way to justify it with the logic you’re currently using then you seriously lack the cognitive capacity to have an intelligent conversation.
 
It may be an unpalatable truth, but yes, sadly, many of the faithful are no longer able to discern what is good and acceptable and wholesome because they are too conformed to this world and its godless ways; they spend far too much time setting their minds on earthly things and not on things above, thus it is hardly surprising that their spiritual senses are dulled and defective.

Again, you are now accusing others of having defective consciences. How sad that you cannot even argue against the books on their own merits, and so you have to assume that something must be wrong with those who read them. Because if we aren’t wrong (a stance in accordance with the Church), and you were simply being a parrot, that would reflect quite poorly on your character then.

Can we as Catholics comfortably read, or permit our offspring to read, a series of books that will contribute to insidously brainwashing our children with the moral illiteracy and relativism that is now so ubiquitous in our irreligious society? How is that going to further our spiritual progress and enable us to think with a sound Christian mind? So, “educated mind” or not, these books are unsuitable and spiritually harmful. In any case, why would we even want to read works of fiction that promote moral ambivalence. Ignoble works of fiction such as the Potter novels could only gain widespread acceptance and popularity in superficial and frivilous times like ours, which are witnessing the ever increasing paganization of culture.

**Agreed - we must look at the spirit of the Church. Remember that God doesn’t want us to be Puritans, though. This life is not merely about going on to the next life. God wants to give us happiness in the world today. That is why so many works of art and music were made throughout history. God wants us to enjoy life, so He provides certain people with the gifts to entertain.

On a side note, calling rock music debased sensory material is completely bunk. Such a broad statement provides nothing to this argument other than making you look foolish. POD (Payable on Death) was a wonderful rock band that had some excellent messages. Christian rock is a large (and growing) genre, featuring bands such as DC Talk. I understand that a lot of music isn’t great, which is why I’m a country music fan myself, but don’t knock out an entire genre because you don’t like it.

Now, I think you need to stop using terms like insidious danger until you can prove an example of it. That is what I mean when I use the term ‘parrot’ in reference to you. Surely, ‘insidious danger’ and ‘culturally unwholesome’ are taken straight out of the mouths of others, and you really can’t define how they relate to Harry Potter. The truth is there is no moral illiteracy - it is completely evident where the moral standards are, and trust me when I tell you that on an objective moral level, these books are a positive influence.

Also, it seems you are very weary of the world we live in, which it is wise and prudent to be, but just because something is widely popular doesn’t make it bad. You seem to think that things were perfect throughout history up until this era, and now it is only being compounded by fictional works about teenage wizards. The truth is that the world is in a bad place, and it took a long time getting here. Now, for a good long while now, there has been a rebellion against things that were too spiritual or too religious in pop culture. And so it is hard for things that expressly present themselves as “Christian” to gain universal acceptance. But when you have something that has Christian themes and morality, but doesn’t declare itself as ‘Christian’ or ‘spiritual’, you can express those ideas to people all around the world, and that is what HP is doing.**

It is indeed incumbent upon parents to be vigilant as regards the books which their children read, but many, I fear, all too readily neglect this responsibility or sucumb to their child’s wishes so as not to appear an oddball or a moralistic fuddy-duddy.

So it is a parenting issue - not the books fault. And if the parents took the time to read them, see whether or not they are alright, and have done the proper job of instructing their child, there shouldn’t be any hindrance.

Just to set the record straight, I have never argued that every child that reads a Potter book will almost certainly be sucked into satanic cults or witchcraft covens, but we cannot ignore the blunt warning of Father Amorth, the chief exorcist in Rome, who said, “PBehind Harry otter hides the signature of the king of darkness, the Devil”. Many of us respectfully defer to his opinion because we recognise his expertise and authority in matters appertaining to the occult, even if it does not extend to fantasy literature. Remember also that the Vatican has never disowned or denounced his opinion, so it is reasonable to assume that it does not deem it to be extreme or outrageous

PS Don’t worry, I have not forgotten a comparison of Rowling with Tolkein and Lewis.
What evidence does Father Amorth give? We are still waiting to hear how Narnia and Middle Earth’s magic differs from that of Harry Potter. It is reasonable to assume that he went into those books (assuming he read them) with the mindset that they were dangerous, and then found items that supported his conclusion. And that is what is most troubling about O’Brien et al - they form their conclusions, and then hunt for evidence to support it. The real way to critique something is to go in with an open mind and see where it takes you, then go from there. The largest issue with this, as you did with Gatewood, is that it pulls items out of context, and that is the gravest offense to citing another’s work.

Lastly, go to the Ask the Apologist links. I beg you.
 
Dear mdrummer,

Hello again.

The problem is that the commentator Michael O’ Brien, like you, has read and inwardly digested the entire Potter series and is telling me of the unwholsesome content that pervades those tales, thus what reason do I have for ignoring him and not listening to what he is telling me? That is of no help whatsoever and proves absolutely nothing Why should I listen to you sir any more than Mr. O’ Brien?

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
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The problem is that O’Brien’s critique bears little resemblance to what was actually written in the books. When we tried to point this out to you you could have no response other than “thats what O’Brien said”"
 
What evidence does Father Amorth give? We are still waiting to hear how Narnia and Middle Earth’s magic differs from that of Harry Potter.
Since I’m sure it will be ignored I just want to point out again the quote from Father Amorth…

“Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,” Father Amorth has been quoted as saying. According to Father Amorth, J.K. Rowling’s books make a false distinction between black and white magic. Amorth says that distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil."

So… if we are taking Father Amorth’s word that Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of darkness… then we should also take his word that magic is ALWAYS a turn to the devil.

So, Portrait… given that information please do enlighten us on how they are different. Or do we simply ignore that part of Father Amorth’s statement as you did?
 
My jaw dropped when I saw this… if you agree with that analysis I don’t understand the reason for the debate. Assuming that you’re referring to the idea that due to a lack of education it may cause an undeveloped mind to seek out other more “realistic” forms of magic as Mumbles stated nobody’s arguing that point but simply saying the books in question are not to blame.
Your jaw dropped? I don’t think you comprehended my reply, and I certainly don’t understand yours. So help me out here. I’m not referring to “the idea that due to a lack of education it may cause an undeveloped mind to seek out other more ‘realistic’ forms of magic” since I disagree with that, and in fact, **I’m not even sure what you mean by it, since I don’t know what the antecedent of “it” is in that sentence. You do know I’m arguing in favor of Harry Potter, right? Did you mistake the part of my reply that you quoted for part of Portrait’s or something?

What I was agreeing with Mumbles about is that one literary characteristic or set of criteria cannot possibly serve as the be-all-end-all for assessing whether a book is “good” when literary genres and styles - especially since modernism - exist in such an abundance of varieties.
AGAIN… you fail to read ALL THE FACTS… I found the quote you refer to…

“Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil,” Father Amorth has been quoted as saying. According to Father Amorth, J.K. Rowling’s books make a false distinction between black and white magic. Amorth says that distinction "does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil."

Take note of that last part… if you hold his opinion in such high regard and he says that there is no distinction between “good” and “bad” magic… then the magic in Narnia and LOTR is also unacceptable.
Excellent point, mdrummer5.

As has been consistently demonstrated, the same logic required to condemn Harry Potter coherently also condemns Narnia and Lord of the Rings. There are plenty of fundamentalist websites out there that condemn them all (one railed against the scene with the river god in Prince Caspian and complained that “Christ would never use a river demon to fight his battles for him”). I respect their consistency, at least.
The problem is that O’Brien’s critique bears little resemblance to what was actually written in the books.
Also very true, sadly.
 
Oops… I thought that post was from Portrait should’ve known better… disregard that quote please:D

And as far as my excellent point… it doesn’t matter… Portrait will overlook it.
 
Gee, you’ve only got yours now? I got mine years ago. 😛
Why else do you think I’ve ceased replying to anything he says? :rolleyes:
:rotfl:

Which therefore makes you an accomplice to the devil!!!
Is that an achievement? If so, do I get a special devil-themed item like a Staff of Inferno or sumthing? 😛
 
He wouldn’t bother reading them anyway.
Is that an achievement? If so, do I get a special devil-themed item like a Staff of Inferno or sumthing?
I will need a valid credit card number… it’s expensive to send items even from virtual Hell which is where such a thing would OBVIOUSLY come from.
Can I have some free Xbox live points please so I can download the last couple of add-ons for Mas Effect 2.
I’m still working on the first one 😦
 
yea… 9 hours in at the moment so now I have to finish if for no other reason so that isn’t wasted 😃
 
There are ocassions when i realize that i have finally become my father-i have absolutrly no idea what you guys are talking about! Technology has passed me by.
 
The other tactic I’ve noticed is…

“I don’t have any facts or valid points, so I’ll use lots of obscure adjectives to add emphasis to what I’ve already said”
 
AGAIN… you fail to read ALL THE FACTS… I found the quote you refer to…

Take note of that last part… if you hold his opinion in such high regard and he says that there is no distinction between “good” and “bad” magic… then the magic in Narnia and LOTR is also unacceptable and if you honestly think there’s any way to justify it with the logic you’re currently using then you seriously lack the cognitive capacity to have an intelligent conversation.
Dear mdrummer,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Still feeling out of sorts with this cold (and now cough to boot). Let us hope this does not enfeeble my “cognitive capacity” or prevent me from engaging in “inteligent conversation” today!

Notwithstanding your remark above, some of the fiercest critics of Rowling’s Potter tales are passionate devotees of LOTR and the Chronicles of Narnia. Moreover, even the sternest Potter critic would not wish to mount a campaign against Glinda the good witch or Cinderella’s fairy godmother! However, I do not accept that those who reject Rowling’s morally inferior works but accept Lewis and Tolkein are somehow being hypocritical or inconsistent, though I have heard this charge levelled them all too frequently. In any case, what earthly reason would a Christian fantasy genre enthusiast have for rejecting the Potter tales, unless, of course, they were sincerely of the firm opinion that the evidence warranted such rejection? Please at least allow that possibility my dear friend.

Those who disapprove of the Potter series but accept Lewis and Tolkein do not do so out of sheer prejudice or ignorance, but rather because they firmly believe that there is a substantial differentation between them and the unapologetically Christian masterpieces of Lewis and Tolkein. To be fair this is usually accepted and respected by many pro-Potterites, even if they cannot assent to the arguments advanced. Talking of which let us examine some of them. Incidently, the following is also for the benefit Mumbles140, as I promised him that I would discuss this issue, so hope you do not object to me killing two birds with stone.

First, Tolkein and Lewis restrict the pursuit of magic as a safe and lawful occupation to entirely *imaginary realms *, with place names such as Middle-earth and Narnia; worlds that cannot be located in either time or space with reference to our own world, and which stand decidedly outside Judeo-Christian salvation history and divine revelation. By contrast, Potter world is a fictionalized version of our own world that is most definitely recognisable in time and space in my own country of England, in a time period of our own era.

Second, Tolkein and Lewis confine the pursuit of magic as a safe and lawful occupation to characters who are numbered among the *supporting cast *, not the protagonists with whom the reader is chiefly to identify. In contradistinction, Harry Potter, a wizard in training, is the *title character and hero *of Rowlings novels and the one with whom impressionable children will readily identify.

Three, following on from and reinforcing the second point above, both Tolkein and Lewis include cautionary threads in which exposure to magical forces proves to be a *corrupting influence *on their protagonists (just what one would expect in authentic Christian fantasy). Thus you have Frodo who is almost consumed by the great ring; Lucy and Digory succumb to temptation and magic in forbidden ways. By contrast, the practice of magic is actually Harry Potter’s salvation from his horrible relatives and from every adversity which he must overcome.

Four, Moreover, it should be noted that Tolkein and Lewis restrict any pursuit of magic to characters which are not human. In the world of Potter, by contrast, whilst some humans (refered to as “muggles”) lack the capacity for magic, others (including Harry Potter’s true parent’s and, of course, Potter himself) do not.

Fifth, Tolkein and Lewis emphasize that the pursuit of magic as the safe and lawful occupation of characters who, in appearance, stature, conduct, and role, embody a distinct *wizard archetype * - your white-haired old chaps sporting beards, robes and staffs; mysterious, aloof and unapproachable, who serve and guide as mentor to the heroes. By contrast our Potter fellow is a wizard in training, who is in many crucial respects the peer of many of his avid young readers, a young chap with the selfsame problems and interests which they have. Herein is the problem since he is the one who is the focus of their attention and likely to present a very attractive role model. Given that Potter is a very attractive role model and a young wizard in training, surely he does have the potential of lowering a child’s guard, both subconscious and spiritual, to actual occult activity which is undeniably so ubiquitous nowadays. Would it not be sheer naivety, given our increasingly pagan and post-Christian culture, to deny this very posibility.

What is important to note is that Tolkein and Lewis used magic in a way fundamentally different from Rowling’s use, just as one would expect from two orthodox Christian writers. Granted, there is ‘magic’ in both but, unlike J.K. Rowling, they repeatedly warn about its danger throughout their novels. Moreover, both Tolkein and Lewis employ magical elements in a Christian way, whilst Rowling in her novels presents magic in a Gnostic and pagan fashion.

Goodbye for now dear friend and thankyou for taking time to debate this very thorny issue.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Dear mdrummer,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Still feeling out of sorts with this cold (and now cough to boot). Let us hope this does not enfeeble my “cognitive capacity” or prevent me from engaging in “inteligent conversation” today!

Notwithstanding your remark above, some of the fiercest critics of Rowling’s Potter tales are passionate devotees of LOTR and the Chronicles of Narnia. Moreover, even the sternest Potter critic would not wish to mount a campaign against Glinda the good witch or Cinderella’s fairy godmother! However, I do not accept that those who reject Rowling’s morally inferior works but accept Lewis and Tolkein are somehow being hypocritical or inconsistent, though I have heard this charge levelled them all too frequently. In any case, what earthly reason would a Christian fantasy genre enthusiast have for rejecting the Potter tales, unless, of course, they were sincerely of the firm opinion that the evidence warranted such rejection? Please at least allow that possibility my dear friend.

Those who disapprove of the Potter series but accept Lewis and Tolkein do not do so out of sheer prejudice or ignorance, but rather because they firmly believe that there is a substantial differentation between them and the unapologetically Christian masterpieces of Lewis and Tolkein. To be fair this is usually accepted and respected by many pro-Potterites, even if they cannot assent to the arguments advanced. Talking of which let us examine some of them. Incidently, the following is also for the benefit Mumbles140, as I promised him that I would discuss this issue, so hope you do not object to me killing two birds with stone.

First, Tolkein and Lewis restrict the pursuit of magic as a safe and lawful occupation to entirely *imaginary realms *, with place names such as Middle-earth and Narnia; worlds that cannot be located in either time or space with reference to our own world, and which stand decidedly outside Judeo-Christian salvation history and divine revelation. By contrast, Potter world is a fictionalized version of our own world that is most definitely recognisable in time and space in my own country of England, in a time period of our own era.

Second, Tolkein and Lewis confine the pursuit of magic as a safe and lawful occupation to characters who are numbered among the *supporting cast *, not the protagonists with whom the reader is chiefly to identify. In contradistinction, Harry Potter, a wizard in training, is the *title character and hero *of Rowlings novels and the one with whom impressionable children will readily identify.

Three, following on from and reinforcing the second point above, both Tolkein and Lewis include cautionary threads in which exposure to magical forces proves to be a *corrupting influence *on their protagonists (just what one would expect in authentic Christian fantasy). Thus you have Frodo who is almost consumed by the great ring; Lucy and Digory succumb to temptation and magic in forbidden ways. By contrast, the practice of magic is actually Harry Potter’s salvation from his horrible relatives and from every adversity which he must overcome.

Four, Moreover, it should be noted that Tolkein and Lewis restrict any pursuit of magic to characters which are not human. In the world of Potter, by contrast, whilst some humans (refered to as “muggles”) lack the capacity for magic, others (including Harry Potter’s true parent’s and, of course, Potter himself) do not.

Fifth, Tolkein and Lewis emphasize that the pursuit of magic as the safe and lawful occupation of characters who, in appearance, stature, conduct, and role, embody a distinct *wizard archetype * - your white-haired old chaps sporting beards, robes and staffs; mysterious, aloof and unapproachable, who serve and guide as mentor to the heroes. By contrast our Potter fellow is a wizard in training, who is in many crucial respects the peer of many of his avid young readers, a young chap with the selfsame problems and interests which they have. Herein is the problem since he is the one who is the focus of their attention and likely to present a very attractive role model. Given that Potter is a very attractive role model and a young wizard in training, surely he does have the potential of lowering a child’s guard, both subconscious and spiritual, to actual occult activity which is undeniably so ubiquitous nowadays. Would it not be sheer naivety, given our increasingly pagan and post-Christian culture, to deny this very posibility.

What is important to note is that Tolkein and Lewis used magic in a way fundamentally different from Rowling’s use, just as one would expect from two orthodox Christian writers. Granted, there is ‘magic’ in both but, unlike J.K. Rowling, they repeatedly warn about its danger throughout their novels. Moreover, both Tolkein and Lewis employ magical elements in a Christian way, whilst Rowling in her novels presents magic in a Gnostic and pagan fashion.

Goodbye for now dear friend and thankyou for taking time to debate this very thorny issue.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
All that bile doesn’t address the contradiction in one of your most weighted arguments.

Father Amorth says that ALL magic is a turn to the devil. FACT

Narnia and LOTR both have good characters that use magic. FACT

You cannot justify the use of magic in either book in consideration two the above to pieces of information. FACT
 
Dear (name removed by moderator),

Cordial greetings and a very good evening my dear friend.

The reason that I have been the ‘invisible man’ today is owing to me feeling rather unwell with a heavy cold and cough. Thus I was not intentionally ignoring any of my fellow posters and shall endeavour to respond to them when I feel a little better. In fact I made an effort to reply to a couple of them a short time ago, in spite of the fact that I am feeling rather under the weather at the moment.

Please pray that I get good night’s sleep tonight. Thankyou.

God bless you.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Dear mdrummer,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Still feeling out of sorts with this cold (and now cough to boot). Let us hope this does not enfeeble my “cognitive capacity” or prevent me from engaging in “inteligent conversation” today!

Notwithstanding your remark above, some of the fiercest critics of Rowling’s Potter tales are passionate devotees of LOTR and the Chronicles of Narnia. Moreover, even the sternest Potter critic would not wish to mount a campaign against Glinda the good witch or Cinderella’s fairy godmother! However, I do not accept that those who reject Rowling’s morally inferior works but accept Lewis and Tolkein are somehow being hypocritical or inconsistent, though I have heard this charge levelled them all too frequently. In any case, what earthly reason would a Christian fantasy genre enthusiast have for rejecting the Potter tales, unless, of course, they were sincerely of the firm opinion that the evidence warranted such rejection? Please at least allow that possibility my dear friend.

Those who disapprove of the Potter series but accept Lewis and Tolkein do not do so out of sheer prejudice or ignorance, but rather because they firmly believe that there is a substantial differentation between them and the unapologetically Christian masterpieces of Lewis and Tolkein. To be fair this is usually accepted and respected by many pro-Potterites, even if they cannot assent to the arguments advanced. Talking of which let us examine some of them. Incidently, the following is also for the benefit Mumbles140, as I promised him that I would discuss this issue, so hope you do not object to me killing two birds with stone.

First, Tolkein and Lewis restrict the pursuit of magic as a safe and lawful occupation to entirely *imaginary realms *, with place names such as Middle-earth and Narnia; worlds that cannot be located in either time or space with reference to our own world, and which stand decidedly outside Judeo-Christian salvation history and divine revelation. By contrast, Potter world is a fictionalized version of our own world that is most definitely recognisable in time and space in my own country of England, in a time period of our own era.

Second, Tolkein and Lewis confine the pursuit of magic as a safe and lawful occupation to characters who are numbered among the *supporting cast *, not the protagonists with whom the reader is chiefly to identify. In contradistinction, Harry Potter, a wizard in training, is the *title character and hero *of Rowlings novels and the one with whom impressionable children will readily identify.

Three, following on from and reinforcing the second point above, both Tolkein and Lewis include cautionary threads in which exposure to magical forces proves to be a *corrupting influence *on their protagonists (just what one would expect in authentic Christian fantasy). Thus you have Frodo who is almost consumed by the great ring; Lucy and Digory succumb to temptation and magic in forbidden ways. By contrast, the practice of magic is actually Harry Potter’s salvation from his horrible relatives and from every adversity which he must overcome.

Four, Moreover, it should be noted that Tolkein and Lewis restrict any pursuit of magic to characters which are not human. In the world of Potter, by contrast, whilst some humans (refered to as “muggles”) lack the capacity for magic, others (including Harry Potter’s true parent’s and, of course, Potter himself) do not.

Fifth, Tolkein and Lewis emphasize that the pursuit of magic as the safe and lawful occupation of characters who, in appearance, stature, conduct, and role, embody a distinct *wizard archetype *- your white-haired old chaps sporting beards, robes and staffs; mysterious, aloof and unapproachable, who serve and guide as mentor to the heroes. By contrast our Potter fellow is a wizard in training, who is in many crucial respects the peer of many of his avid young readers, a young chap with the selfsame problems and interests which they have. Herein is the problem since he is the one who is the focus of their attention and likely to present a very attractive role model. Given that Potter is a very attractive role model and a young wizard in training, surely he does have the potential of lowering a child’s guard, both subconscious and spiritual, to actual occult activity which is undeniably so ubiquitous nowadays. Would it not be sheer naivety, given our increasingly pagan and post-Christian culture, to deny this very posibility.

What is important to note is that Tolkein and Lewis used magic in a way fundamentally different from Rowling’s use, just as one would expect from two orthodox Christian writers. Granted, there is ‘magic’ in both but, unlike J.K. Rowling, they repeatedly warn about its danger throughout their novels. Moreover, both Tolkein and Lewis employ magical elements in a Christian way, whilst Rowling in her novels presents magic in a Gnostic and pagan fashion.

Goodbye for now dear friend and thankyou for taking time to debate this very thorny issue.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
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decentfilms.com/articles/magic.html
 
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