"Church Fathers" as Catholic?

[vern_humphrey]

jaz1976:

Hello Vern,

I bet Macabees was refering to Ignatius of Antioch who was a late first/early second century bishop who wrote on the Real Presence amoung many other things. He is also one of the first, if not the first to refer to the Church as the Catholic Church. He was martyred.

God Bless You,

Joshua

Thanks for the correction.

 

[mtr01]

serendipity:

Ignatius of Loyla was named after an earlier Ignatius who worked with the Church in Epheus.

Ignatius of Antioch:

“Also called Theophorus (ho Theophoros); born in Syria, around the year 50; died at Rome between 98 and 117.”

Catholic Encyclopedia article here.

 

[mercygate]

vern humphrey:

I assume when you say “Ignatius” you mean Irenaeus?

Irenaeus was the 2nd Century Bishop of Lyons, who is called “The First Chirstian Theologian.” Ignatius is Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuit order.

He means Ignatius of Antioch (protege of the Apostle John) who gave his life for the faith around 115 A.D.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

vern humphrey:

I assume when you say “Ignatius” you mean Irenaeus?

Irenaeus was the 2nd Century Bishop of Lyons, who is called “The First Chirstian Theologian.” Ignatius is Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuit order.

I believe that is Ignatius of Antioch, ca. 110AD

 

[Madaglan]

Originally Quoted by Madaglan:

He abhorred marriage and considered the bodily flesh as essentially bad.

Just wanted to correct a blunder I made. Tatian the Assyrian did not consider the bodily flesh “essentially” bad per se. He did, however, consider any indulgence of the flesh as sinful. He believed that everything God created (including human flesh) is good; but the demons maliciously use that which God creates good. So, for all practical purposes, the flesh appears as evil since demons use it to tempt one to sin.

Originally Quoted by Sanctus:

Recently in one of my Religion and Society class the teacher insisted that a lot things that Jesus said in the bible were actually written back in by the early church to support their beliefs…I had never heard this before. He specifically mentioned Matthew 28:19-20

Your teacher is probably reading books by critics of the Bible. Nowadays you have to be aware of the various interpretations of the Bible. Much of what is available to the public is pseudo-Biblical scholarship. It is done oftentimes by eccentric individuals who make claims that are in conflict with the historical and textual perspectives of the majority of the sholars in the field.

A good conservative work is Phillip Jenkin’s Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost its Way. His basic premise is that what we come across today is really nothing that wasn’t known or discussed in the 19th century, and that the majority of Biblical scholars actually disagree with the more radical scholars who claim that only a fraction of the words spoken by Jesus in the gospel were spoken by the Historical Jesus.

While I construe that Jenkins is a Catholic or of another apostolic church, I cannot help but note that, for all their shortcomings, the evangelicals have also come out with several good works on the historical reliability of the gospels.

 

[Maccabees]

jaz1976:

Hello Vern,

I bet Macabees was refering to Ignatius of Antioch who was a late first/early second century bishop who wrote on the Real Presence amoung many other things. He is also one of the first, if not the first to refer to the Church as the Catholic Church. He was martyred.

God Bless You,

Joshua

Of course it was that Saint Ignatius (of Antioch) thanks for helping our brohters here out. He studied under Peter and John so he along with Saint Clement another disciple of Peter are the foremorst authrotites of the apostolic fathers called as such since they had a direct link with the apostles themselves. I think Clement refers to it this way he could still ‘hear the preaching of the apostles ringing in his ears’. I mean whose interpretation of the eucharist would you believe the men who studied under John who penned John 6 or pastor Billy Bob going by his interpretation of scripture as his own non denom church.