Church Fathers believed in Sola Scriptura?

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A friend forwarded me the following blog post in which the author references several quotes from Church Fathers which he uses to support the notion that the Church Fathers believed in sola scriptura.

johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2011/08/the-supreme-authority-of-scripture-and-interpretation.html

What the Scriptures have not declared, you will never find.
(St. Athanasius, De S. Trin. Dial.)

It is a mockery to ask questions, or to make discourses, on that which is not written. (St. Athanasius, Epist. Ad. Serap.)

However, when I do a google search, I do not find any Catholic sources examining these quotes. Are these legitimate? Did the Church Fathers believe in Sola Scriptura?
 
A friend forwarded me the following blog post in which the author references several quotes from Church Fathers which he uses to support the notion that the Church Fathers believed in sola scriptura.

johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2011/08/the-supreme-authority-of-scripture-and-interpretation.html

What the Scriptures have not declared, you will never find.
(St. Athanasius, De S. Trin. Dial.)

It is a mockery to ask questions, or to make discourses, on that which is not written. (St. Athanasius, Epist. Ad. Serap.)

However, when I do a google search, I do not find any Catholic sources examining these quotes. Are these legitimate? Did the Church Fathers believe in Sola Scriptura?
Who’s version?
 
Your friend uses a source outside of scriptures to support sola scriptura?

From what he is using, then sola scriptura is not to be practiced. It’s not in the scriptures.
 
These clowns are as pathetic and disingenuous as their argument. Just a few quotes. By definition they rule out sola scriptura.

*We must recieve the traditions and the orthodox teaching from the Fathers, unless we wish to become illigimate sons.
[St. Athanasius, De Synodis
47]

But what is also to the point, let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded; and if anyone departs from this; he is neither nor any longer ought to be called a Christian.
[St. Athanasius, *Letter to Serapion of Thumis #4, 1, 28]

We are content with the fact that this [Arianism] is not the teaching of the Catholic Church, nor did the fathers hold this.
[St. Athanasius, *Letter 59,3]

But our faith is right, and starts from the teaching of the Apostles and tradition of the fathers, being confirmed both by the New Testament and the Old.
[St. Athanasius, *Letter 60,6]

The word of the Lord which came form the Ecumenical Council at Nicea remains forever.
[St. Athanasius, *Synodal Letter to the Bishops of Africa, 2]

Learn also diligently, and from the church, what are the books of the Old Testament, and what are the books of the New.
[Cyril of Jerusalem, *Catechetical Lectures, 4, 33]

*For I hold it apostolic to abide also by the unwritten traditions.
[St. Basil the Great, The Holy Spirit
, 29, 71]

Of the dogmas and kerygmas preserved in the Church, some we possess from written teaching and others we receive from the tradition of the Apostles, handed on to us in mystery. In respect to piety both are of the same force. . . . Indeed were we to try to reject unwritten customs as having no great authority, we would unwittingly injure the Gospel in its vitals; or rather, we would reduce kerygma to a mere term.
[St. Basil the Great, *The Holy Spirit, 27, 66]

We may answer, that what is here written, was sufficient for those who would attend, and that the sacred writers ever addressed themselves to the matter of immediate importance, whatever it might be at that time: it was no object with them to be writers of books: in fact, there are many things which have been delivered by unwritten tradition. Now while all that is contained in this Book is worthy of admiration, so is especially the way the Apostles have of coming down to the wants of their hearers: a condescension suggested by the Spirit who has so ordered it, that the subject on which they chiefly dwell is that pertains to Christ as man. For so it is, that while they discourse so much about Christ, they have spoke little concerning His Godhead: it was mostly of the manhood that they discoursed, and of the Passion, and the Resurrection, and the Ascension.
[St. John Chrysostom, *Homilies on Acts 1,1]

“Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter” (2 Thes 2:15). Hence it is manifest that they did not deliver all things by epistle, but many things unwritten, and in like manner both the one and the other are worthy of credit. Therefore, let us regard the tradition of the church also worthy of belief. Is it a tradition? Seek no farther.
[St. John Chrysostom, *Homilies on 2nd Thessalonians 4, 2]

We, according to the apostolic tradition (in which the whole world is at one with us), fast through one Lent yearly; whereas they [the Montanists] keep three in the year as though three saviors had suffered. I do not mean, of course, that it is unlawful to fast at other times through the year–always excepting Pentecost–only that while in Lent it is a duty of obligation, at other seasons it is a matter of choice.
[St. Jerome, *Letter XLI, 3] To Marcella

I have often then inquired earnestly and attentively of very many men eminent for sanctity and learning, how and by what sure and so to speak universal rule I may be able to distinguish the truth of Catholic faith from the falsehood of heretical depravity; and I have always, and in almost every instance, received an answer to this effect: That whether I or anyone else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of heretics as they rise, and to continue sound and complete in the Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief in two ways; first, by the authority of the Divine Law, and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church.
But here someone perhaps will ask, “If the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation?” For this reason,–because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. . . .
Moreover, in the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors.
[St. Vincent of Lérins, *Commonitory 2, 4-6]
 
Also, keep in mind that the man on that website is using isolated phrases out of context. From what I read on the site, I have no idea to whom the saintly writers were writing, or about what issue. These things obviously make a big difference in how we should interpret their words.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
 
I have often then inquired earnestly and attentively of very many men eminent for sanctity and learning, how and by what sure and so to speak universal rule I may be able to distinguish the truth of Catholic faith from the falsehood of heretical depravity; and I have always, and in almost every instance, received an answer to this effect: That whether I or anyone else should wish to detect the frauds and avoid the snares of heretics as they rise, and to continue sound and complete in the Catholic faith, we must, the Lord helping, fortify our own belief in two ways; first, by the authority of the Divine Law, and then, by the Tradition of the Catholic Church.
But here someone perhaps will ask, “If the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation?” For this reason,–because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. . . .
Moreover, in the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors.
[St. Vincent of Lérins, *Commonitory
2, 4-6]

May the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Fr of Jazz’s post says it all…

I especially like St Vincent of Lerin’s quote (above).

God bless you,
Quis ut Deus 3
 
Also, keep in mind that the man on that website is using isolated phrases out of context. From what I read on the site, I have no idea to whom the saintly writers were writing, or about what issue. These things obviously make a big difference in how we should interpret their words.

Sam, the Neon Orange Knight
I agree, I read the blog and the quotes, it all seemed superfluous, if it is not read in the context from which it was written. And I too had issue finding the 2 quotes the op had posted; although I have indeed seen these same quotes in the past. 🤷

But to answer the title question: No, and a protestant apologist has yet to convince me of it.
 
Some Protestants “proof-text” the Fathers, the same way they do the Scriptures, primarily the New Testament.

They thereby commit fraud.

Jim Dandy
 
A friend forwarded me the following blog post in which the author references several quotes from Church Fathers which he uses to support the notion that the Church Fathers believed in sola scriptura.

johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2011/08/the-supreme-authority-of-scripture-and-interpretation.html

What the Scriptures have not declared, you will never find.
(St. Athanasius, De S. Trin. Dial.)

It is a mockery to ask questions, or to make discourses, on that which is not written. (St. Athanasius, Epist. Ad. Serap.)

However, when I do a google search, I do not find any Catholic sources examining these quotes. Are these legitimate? Did the Church Fathers believe in Sola Scriptura?
Depending on which ECF quote they are using, if the ECF writing is prior to 382AD, there was no canonized Bible yet. so how could the ECF be teaching SS if there was no bible yet?

If the quotes are post 382AD, then they should be able to cite the chapter and verse where the bible teaches SS.
 
Thank you all for your replies. It seems he is picking and choosing quotes within the Church fathers and ignoring other writing by them. This guy is really big on ecumenism, the kind in which Catholics have to water down their theology to fit protestant theology.
 
It doesn’t even make sense that Church Fathers would support sola scriptura. Even aside frmo the above posts (which are GREAT by the way), how does your friend explain what Scriptures in the New Testament the Apostles (our first Church Fathers) followed after Jesus died? Those Scriptures didn’t even exist yet! If they truly beleived in sola scriptura, they could never have incorporated the Gospels or Acts, or any of Paul’s letters into Scripture because they would have had to rely on Tradition to do that.
 
I agree that Sola Scriptura has no real foundation in Holy Scripture itself, quite the contrary. Perhaps the most relevant passages of all are when Jesus commands his Apostles to go forth and preach. I think it is most logical that He intended the inclusion of successors to the original apostles in this edict.

Further, what is most important to me is what the current Church Fathers, Pope Benedict XVI, the College of Cardinals, and the bishops have to say on the subject. The Catechism is emphatic about the equal role of the church, in indivisible conjunction with reading scripture, in continuing Christ’s mission. Pope Benedict also discusses this in Verbum Domini, one of his scholarly masterworks which I highly recommend.
 
A friend forwarded me the following blog post in which the author references several quotes from Church Fathers which he uses to support the notion that the Church Fathers believed in sola scriptura.

johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2011/08/the-supreme-authority-of-scripture-and-interpretation.html

What the Scriptures have not declared, you will never find.
(St. Athanasius, De S. Trin. Dial.)

It is a mockery to ask questions, or to make discourses, on that which is not written. (St. Athanasius, Epist. Ad. Serap.)

However, when I do a google search, I do not find any Catholic sources examining these quotes. Are these legitimate? Did the Church Fathers believe in Sola Scriptura?
My guess would be that they may be refering to false traditions about Christ that were rampant at that time, perhaps gnostic traditions? They definitely were not refering to the concept of authority or doctrine otherwise they would not have spoken so much about the need of obedience to bishops, the primacy of the church of Rome, and they would not have taken it upon themselves to canonize the bible, which those belonging to the 500 year old heretical man made tradition called protestantism claim to follow.
 
=CSUNGerrie;8201751]A friend forwarded me the following blog post in which the author references several quotes from Church Fathers which he uses to support the notion that the Church Fathers believed in sola scriptura.
What the Scriptures have not declared, you will never find.
(St. Athanasius, De S. Trin. Dial.)
It is a mockery to ask questions, or to make discourses, on that which is not written. (St. Athanasius, Epist. Ad. Serap.)
However, when I do a google search, I do not find any Catholic sources examining these quotes. Are these legitimate? Did the Church Fathers believe in Sola Scriptura?
***LOGIC telles me NO!🙂

The Early Fathers were more attuned to TRADITION than"the Bible “which has VERY limited availability”. Certain letters were used but even then they were passed on by word of mouth.

Quotes such as these IF, IF,* they are accure most likely are taken out of context when the Fathers were trying to ESTABLISH the Bibe as the “go-too” source for truh.

You are WISE to question such attempts**👍

God Bless,
Pat
 
It doesn’t even make sense that Church Fathers would support sola scriptura. Even aside frmo the above posts (which are GREAT by the way), how does your friend explain what Scriptures in the New Testament the Apostles (our first Church Fathers) followed after Jesus died? Those Scriptures didn’t even exist yet! If they truly beleived in sola scriptura, they could never have incorporated the Gospels or Acts, or any of Paul’s letters into Scripture because they would have had to rely on Tradition to do that.
Here is the kicker. I think the blog author would say, “well… we used the tradition of church to guide until we got the bible and then it wasnt neccesary.”
 
Here is the kicker. I think the blog author would say, “well… we used the tradition of church to guide until we got the bible and then it wasnt neccesary.”
And where would the blogger find that in scriptures?

The blogger is promoting a teaching that is outside of scriptures.
 
St Vincent of Lerins (Died 445 A.D.)

"But here someone perhaps will ask, “If the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation?” For this reason,–because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. . . .

Moreover, in the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense “Catholic,” which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors."

God bless you,
Quis ut Deus 3
 
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