church of CHRIST, LETS TALK

[Bill_Pick]

Some people in the Church of Christ movement argue that theirs must be the true church, the one established by Jesus, since it has a biblical name (Rom. 16:16 refers to “the churches of Christ”). They note that when a husband takes a bride, she acquires his surname. Since the Church is called, especially by Catholics, the bride of Christ, they argue that the true Church’s name will be the Church of Christ.

 

[joshua_b]

If that is all it takes, I am founding my own church, and will lay exclusive claim that it is the church that Jesus founded. It’s name, as will be seen on billboards for miles and miles of interstate, as found on the internet, and as seen on local public access television, will be “My Church”.

This will undoubtedly HAVE TO BE the church Jesus founded. To deny so would be a plain denial of simple Scripture, for the Bible says,"…upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH…".

 

[cthulhubryan]

This will undoubtedly HAVE TO BE the church Jesus founded. To deny so would be a plain denial of simple Scripture, for the Bible says,"…upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH…".

Hmmm, Joshua … Yeshua… Jes… Naaahh. Still, it might work.

 

[joshua_b]

Hmmm, Joshua … Yeshua… Jes… Naaahh. Still, it might work.

I didn’t even stop to think about that angle…thanks. I will definitely have to incorporate that concept in there somewhere.

 

[withwind]

I am not sure if that is the reason they use, but not in every culture, the wife will take after her husband’s surname. Besides, is Christ Jesus’ last name?

 

[Robert_in_SD]

Some people in the Church of Christ movement argue that theirs must be the true church, the one established by Jesus, since it has a biblical name (Rom. 16:16 refers to “the churches of Christ”). They note that when a husband takes a bride, she acquires his surname. Since the Church is called, especially by Catholics, the bride of Christ, they argue that the true Church’s name will be the Church of Christ.

Hmm? Was Jesus the son of Joseph and Mary Christ? I’m not sure if it was the case in 1st Century Jerusalem that Jewish women took the surname of their husbands. In fact, I’m not entirely sure if Jesus had a surname at all. He was the “Christos” - the Annointed. He was Jesus Son of Mary. He was Jesus of Nazareth. But I don’t think he had a surname at all. Should the Church of Christ call itself the Church of the Annointed One? The Church of the Nazarene? The Church of Mary’s Son? Or maybe the name is not all that important, when compared to the teachings proclaimed?

Peace of Christmas,
-Robert

 

[ckempston]

Some people in the Church of Christ movement argue that theirs must be the true church, the one established by Jesus, since it has a biblical name (Rom. 16:16 refers to “the churches of Christ”). They note that when a husband takes a bride, she acquires his surname. Since the Church is called, especially by Catholics, the bride of Christ, they argue that the true Church’s name will be the Church of Christ.

Wow, talk about some serious misrepresentation. This is almost as bad as a non-Catholic saying that Catholics worship the Pope.

You’ve got the order wrong anyway; what they say is that since “the church” is called “The Church of Christ” in the Bible, then that’s what it should properly be called, as opposed to Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic, etc.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Hmm? Was Jesus the son of Joseph and Mary Christ? I’m not sure if it was the case in 1st Century Jerusalem that Jewish women took the surname of their husbands. In fact, I’m not entirely sure if Jesus had a surname at all. He was the “Christos” - the Annointed. He was Jesus Son of Mary. He was Jesus of Nazareth. But I don’t think he had a surname at all. Should the Church of Christ call itself the Church of the Annointed One? The Church of the Nazarene? The Church of Mary’s Son? Or maybe the name is not all that important, when compared to the teachings proclaimed?

Peace of Christmas,
-Robert

if we called Him by a ‘TITLE’ WE can use the aramaica of CHURCH OF YESHUA

 

[joshua_b]

Wow, talk about some serious misrepresentation. This is almost as bad as a non-Catholic saying that Catholics worship the Pope.

You’ve got the order wrong anyway; what they say is that since “the church” is called “The Church of Christ” in the Bible, then that’s what it should properly be called, as opposed to Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic, etc.

So, do they claim (they being the CoC, of course) that the lack of this name would be a preclusion to any claim at being “THE Church”?

 

[ckempston]

So, do they claim (they being the CoC, of course) that the lack of this name would be a preclusion to any claim at being “THE Church”?

Again, I think the cause/effect here is backwards. If a church took a name that was outside the Bible, (i.e. Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist), that church would be guilty of violating the Sacred Doctrine Of Sola Scriptura, and therefore would not be a church.

But, basically, the CoC says nobody is a Christian who is not Baptized, by immersion, for the forgiveness of sins (among other things). So that excludes about 99% of Christianity, because, who else does that? Baptists immerse, but they don’t believe Baptism is necessary for salvation, or that sins are forgiven therein, so they’re out, along with a lot of others. Traditional churches such as Catholic, Lutheran, Orthodox all use sprinkling or pouring, so they’re out. Others just practice so-called “Holy Spirit” Baptism, so they’re out. The CoC has far greater issues than their name (I’d say “we” but technically, I’m not a member of the CoC, but the ICOC, which is an offshoot, along with several other denominations - demonstrating that the Bible-only method has its problems).

 

[joshua_b]

Again, I think the cause/effect here is backwards. If a church took a name that was outside the Bible, (i.e. Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist), that church would be guilty of violating the Sacred Doctrine Of Sola Scriptura, and therefore would not be a church.

But, basically, the CoC says nobody is a Christian who is not Baptized, by immersion, for the forgiveness of sins (among other things). So that excludes about 99% of Christianity, because, who else does that? Baptists immerse, but they don’t believe Baptism is necessary for salvation, or that sins are forgiven therein, so they’re out, along with a lot of others. Traditional churches such as Catholic, Lutheran, Orthodox all use sprinkling or pouring, so they’re out. Others just practice so-called “Holy Spirit” Baptism, so they’re out. The CoC has far greater issues than their name (I’d say “we” but technically, I’m not a member of the CoC, but the ICOC, which is an offshoot, along with several other denominations - demonstrating that the Bible-only method has its problems).

Sorry if my question came across as anything less than a simple inquiry. So, let’s recap to make sure I understand this…

Scripture mandates that the proper name of the legitimate Church would be Church of Christ. Any church that does not hold to this violates Scripture and could therefore not be a Christian Church. The Church is composed of members who are baptized by full immersion, and believe that baptism is essential for salvation.

Correct?

 

[ckempston]

Sorry if my question came across as anything less than a simple inquiry. So, let’s recap to make sure I understand this…

No, that’s how I took it. Sorry if my response suggested otherwise. Since I am familiar with the CoC, I thought I’d lend a hand, since you’ve so kindly helped me with Catholic positions.

Scripture mandates that the proper name of the legitimate Church would be Church of Christ. Any church that does not hold to this violates Scripture and could therefore not be a Christian Church. The Church is composed of members who are baptized by full immersion, and believe that baptism is essential for salvation.

Correct?

You’ve pretty much got it. Although, there’s a lot more to being a “true” Christian that just what we’ve laid out here according to the CoC.

Here’s a handy site, though probably not “official”, that runs down the beliefs.

church-of-christ.org/church-of-christ/JMB.html