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Fauken
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Did your perusal of the Catechism tell you that, or the Pappas?
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TheLittleLady
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The Catholic Church recognizes the baptisms of the Church of Christ (and dozens and dozens of other denominations) as perfectly valid. Not lesser, not wonky, you either have a valid or an invalid baptism. There are no degrees.
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Wannano
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Why is Jesus hanging on the crucifix?
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TheLittleLady
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Because he was crucified.
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promethian_rule
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This is not Catholic teaching.
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promethian_rule
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One eternal and perfect Sacrifice for all time, mate. His death on the cross is to pay for your sins today, as much as it was to pay for the sins of those around Him and in the past.
The image of Christ is on the crucifix to remind us what our sin has done.
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Wannano
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Yes, that is my understanding as well. Seems like it may be thru Jesus that we enter the Kingdom of Heaven not Mary.Wannano:
One eternal and perfect Sacrifice for all time, mate. His death on the cross is to pay for your sins today, as much as it was to pay for the sins of those around Him and in the past.
The image of Christ is on the crucifix to remind us what our sin has done.
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Pup7
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Wannano
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Who are you asking?
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Pup7
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What? You don’t get rebaptized if you’re validly baptized. It’s not “lesser” if its proper form.
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promethian_rule
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This is true, but which is why I tend not to use the title of Mary as “Gate of Heaven”… because this is a nuanced term by which we refer to Mary as the gate through which Jesus incarnated and brought Heaven to earth… but can often be misinterpreted as Catholics saying that Mary saves us, not Jesus. It is through Mary that we were exposed through Jesus, because God chose Mary, but ultimately Mary always should and does point us to Her Son.
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Fauken
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The user is trolling.
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Pup7
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Thank you…now it makes sense.
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Pup7
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No idea what happened with that post. Seriously.
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angel12
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That may be your personal opinion. It is not the teaching of the Church.
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susanlo
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The different practice is because of a different understanding of original sin. Augustine wrote the Doctrine of Original Sin in the 5th century. He taught that all babies were born guilty of the sin of Adam and Eve and therefore babies who were not baptized went to hell. Around this time it became the law in the Roman empire to baptize all babies, so infant baptism became the uniform practice even though it was not practiced everywhere before this time. Some churches that practice infant baptism today believe that baptism addresses this original sin that babies are born condemned of.
Churches that do not practice infant baptism believe that babies are born innocent, but as they grow up they will become aware of right and wrong and sin of their own free will. When children become aware of their sinful nature and need for a savior, they should be baptized to receive forgiveness of their sins.
So for your fire analogy: some churches believe that babies are born into a burning building and need rescued by another person to remove the sin of being born a human. Other churches do not believe that they are leaving their infants in a burning building, but they believe that the building does not begin to burn until the child is old enough to strike a match and light the fire (sin) according to their free will. While any person young or old could be rescued from a burning building passively, only those who put their faith in Christ can be saved from their own sins.
Jesus and the Apostles were Jewish. In Judaism babies are believed to be born pure and free of sin. In Judaism the child is considered to reach the age of accountability and become accountable to repent of their own sins at age 12 or 13 when they have their bat mitzvah or bar mitzvah. The concept of original sin developed over the early centuries to mean that babies are born already damned.
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Well, considering that you don’t state your religious preference, and from what you have written above, I have to believe you are not of the RCC faith. And that your emphasis is sola scriptura. Given that, and the fact you have been on this forum for a couple years now, somewhere along the lines you may have read that the RCC is founded on Peter with the commission from Christ that “whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and “whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” The RCC has the divinely ordered right to choose its way of doing things and make changes to practices. The only thing it will not change is what Christ himself commanded. ( I could go on about how Pentecostal/protestant churches have seemingly total disregard for Jesus” words, “What God has joined together, no man may divide” but I’ll be a bit charitable here and skip that one) Show me where Jesus ordered men to confess sins in a public setting and I’ll buy your tantrum. I only remember him admonishing the apostles “to forgive men’s sins.” How they did it was their business. When you can show me that Christ dictated the manner of confession of sins to be public, I’ll revise my thinking.
And by the way. Most of Catholic worship and the practices that are attendant to it, have been revised, modified and outright changed over time. Something the Church has the right to do.
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joeybaggz
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Limbo was at one time a theological construct to answer the question of what happened to unbaptized infants. I don’t believe it ever was doctrine in the RCC and today the idea of Limbo has been de-emphasized by every clergyman I have ever met. (although I haven’t met them all
It is the thinking of the Church that God, in His infinite mercy, has His own way of rectifying the situation and bringing His child home to Himself. Don’t think they are all in hell as others have said.
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Wannano
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My tantrum, lol, I saw only humour. I am not the one having a tantrum!Wannano:
Well, considering that you don’t state your religious preference, and from what you have written above, I have to believe you are not of the RCC faith. And that your emphasis is sola scriptura. Given that, and the fact you have been on this forum for a couple years now, somewhere along the lines you may have read that the RCC is founded on Peter with the commission from Christ that “whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and “whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” The RCC has the divinely ordered right to choose its way of doing things and make changes to practices. The only thing it will not change is what Christ himself commanded. ( I could go on about how Pentecostal/protestant churches have seemingly total disregard for Jesus” words, “What God has joined together, no man may divide” but I’ll be a bit charitable here and skip that one) Show me where Jesus ordered men to confess sins in a public setting and I’ll buy your tantrum. I only remember him admonishing the apostles “to forgive men’s sins.” How they did it was their business. When you can show me that Christ dictated the manner of confession of sins to be public, I’ll revise my thinking.
And by the way. Most of Catholic worship and the practices that are attendant to it, have been revised, modified and outright changed over time. Something the Church has the right to do.
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joeybaggz
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Tantrum, neither am I. Suggest you use emojis to indicate humor. Your phrasing of your humor sounds a whole lot more like criticism; sorry but you’re not very good at it.
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