Church of Christ teaches Jesus had siblings?

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There are only four named “brothers of Jesus” in all of Scripture. None are sons of Mary and Joseph.
When restricting oneself to the Biblical record, I don’t think a dogmatic statement can be made either way. I found a reference to a book called Mary in the New Testament: A Collaborative Assessment by Protestant and Roman Catholic Scholars. Here’s an interesting excerpt:

"In 1978, the authors of the now well-known book Mary in the New Testament . . . reached the four following conclusions on the identification of the “brothers and sisters” of Jesus mentioned in the New Testament:

The continued virginity of Mary after the birth of Jesus is not a question directly raised by the New Testament.

Once it was raised in subsequent church history, it was that question which focused attention on the exact relationship of the “brothers” (and “sisters”) to Jesus.

Once that attention has been focused, it cannot be said that the New Testament identifies them without doubt as blood brothers and sisters and hence as children of Mary.

The solution favored by scholars will in part depend on the authority they allot to later church insights (p. 72)." campus.udayton.edu/mary/Rossier.html

Lutheran theologian Francis Pieper, accepting that Mary had no children other than Jesus, had written, “If the Christology of a theologian is orthodox in all other respects, he is not to be regarded as a heretic for holding that Mary bore other children in a natural manner after she had given birth to the Son of God.” I would put the emphasis the other way 'round, believing that the more natural sense of the scriptures involved indicate that Jesus had brothers and sisters by Mary and Joseph, but I wouldn’t call those holding the opposite view heretical.
 
I am just wondering why the Church of Christ has been singled out. Most Protestant denominations believe that Mary had other children.
I don’t think anyone’s picking on the Church of Christ; it just so happens that the OP’s husband and stepdaughter belong to that church, and the OP was surprised at the reference to Christ’s siblings. As I mentioned on the first page of the thread, I had heard the same thing (that Mary had other children) in both the Presbyterian and Baptist churches I had attended during childhood.
 
There are only four named “brothers of Jesus” in all of Scripture. None are sons of Mary and Joseph.
Exactly, and there is really no question about this, as you demonstrated earlier (as have countless others before you). It amazes me that there are those who still believe it is a matter that is up to private opinion.
 
it seems one has to be from the Middle East to understand this 🙂

yes there is no specific word for cousin in aramaic, as well as Syriac and even Arabic.

to this day, let alone 2,000 years ago, we constantly refer to cousins as brothers or sisters.

It is even applied to non-cousins.

it is a very common bonding word that not only includes cousins but friends.
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Exactly, and there is really no question about this, as you demonstrated earlier (as have countless others before you). It amazes me that there are those who still believe it is a matter that is up to private opinion.
You, Randy Carson, and Erich seem convinced that none of the four named brothers of Jesus are actually sons of Mary and Joseph, but the demonstration provided seems to depend upon the assumption that there are fewer men sharing the same name than some sources suggest. For example, I had referenced the Holman Bible Dictionary, which says there are 3 men named James, 3 named Joses, 7 named Judas, and 9 named Simon. Other sources suggest even higher numbers for some names. John MacArthur finds four men in the NT named James, and another source says it could be as many as eight (“The New Testament mentions at least two persons named James, probably at least three, and perhaps as many as eight.” elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/JEK/05/01.html).

It amazes me to see you state that there is “no question” on the issue, but perhaps I simply need to read more widely. Is there a book or article you can point me to that goes into the named brothers of Jesus in more detail? Or perhaps a reference arguing for fewer people sharing the same name than the Holman Bible Dictionary does?
 
…and as I said, Jerome, Aquinas and a Pope or two dismissed it even though they were supporters of the PPV…a source that even supporters can’t endorse is what you must trace your belief back to…kinda sad.
Dismissed it how? That it was a work of complete fiction? That it was not inspired? You offer no support for your claim, but you fail to address the fundamental issue which is that the Protoevangelium is an ANCIENT work containing evidence that the earliest Christians supported the PPV.
well you know that Helvidius and others would have rejected it
Well, that’s one, for sure…you have me there. :rolleyes:
and we know their works were either destroyed intentionally or by time…so a lack of works dismissing the Protoevangelium is kinda expected (unless the dismissals are by Jerome, Aquinas and a Pope or two)
Ah, of course. The evil Catholic Church destroyed all evidence of truth that contradicted its erroneous doctrines. And the “true” Bible Christians who were hiding from persecution couldn’t manage to preserve the documentation that supported the “true” faith. Kinda sad.
it seems to me that you must believe that the PPV is true, otherwise you would have to face the realization that your Church teaches error. I suspect that your can’t look at the issue from any sort of neutral perspective and ask, “What actually happened?”…and as such, I doubt that any evidence would ever meet the standard that you would require.
It works the other way around. First, I conclude that the Catholic Church is infallible based up history and biblical evidence that an infallible Church must exist. Then, I figure out what that infallible Church is teaching and accept it based upon reason and God-given faith.

But consider your own situation: the Catholic Church HAS to be wrong…it just HAS to. Consequently, anything and everything that the Church teaches has to be rejected.

Otherwise, you have some serious soul-searching to do. 😛
 
You, Randy Carson, and Erich seem convinced that none of the four named brothers of Jesus are actually sons of Mary and Joseph, but the demonstration provided seems to depend upon the assumption that there are fewer men sharing the same name than some sources suggest. For example, I had referenced the Holman Bible Dictionary, which says there are 3 men named James, 3 named Joses, 7 named Judas, and 9 named Simon. Other sources suggest even higher numbers for some names. John MacArthur finds four men in the NT named James, and another source says it could be as many as eight (“The New Testament mentions at least two persons named James, probably at least three, and perhaps as many as eight.” elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/JEK/05/01.html).

It amazes me to see you state that there is “no question” on the issue, but perhaps I simply need to read more widely. Is there a book or article you can point me to that goes into the named brothers of Jesus in more detail? Or perhaps a reference arguing for fewer people sharing the same name than the Holman Bible Dictionary does?
Articles on Perpetual Virginity

Mary: Ever Virgin

catholic.com/library/mary_ever_virgin.asp

A Biblical Basis For Mary’s Perpetual Virginity?
singinginthereign.blogspot.com/2008/03/biblical-basis-for-marys-perpetual.html

**How to Explain the Perpetual Virginity of Mary **
By Jason Evert
catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007sbs.asp

Was Jesus an Only Child?
By Father Mateo
catholic.com/thisrock/1990/9001fea2.asp

Was Mary a Perpetual Virgin?
By Christine Pinheiro
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0512sbs.asp

"Brethren of the Lord"
catholic.com/library/brethren_of_the_lord.asp
 
I have to say that this question never once entered my mind before your bringing it up. Maybe it’s simply because Jesus is more prominent than Mary.
Maybe.

Or maybe it’s because the Aramaic language did not have a word for cousins, and consequently, the authors had to describe these kinsmen as “brothers”. This is explains why they were NEVER called “sons”.

When trying to understand these verses, note that the term “brother” (Greek: adelphos) has a wide meaning in the Bible. It is not restricted to the literal meaning of a full brother or half-brother. The same goes for “sister” (adelphe) and the plural form “brothers” (adelphoi). The Old Testament shows that “brother” had a wide semantic range of meaning and could refer to any male relative from whom you are not descended (male relatives from whom you are descended are known as “fathers”) and who are not descended from you (your male descendants, regardless of the number of generations removed, are your “sons”), as well as kinsmen such as cousins, those who are members of the family by marriage or by law rather than by blood, and even friends or mere political allies (2 Sam. 1:26; Amos 1:9).

Lot, for example, is called Abraham’s “brother” (Gen. 14:14), even though, being the son of Haran, Abraham’s brother (Gen. 11:26–28), he was actually Abraham’s nephew. Similarly, Jacob is called the “brother” of his uncle Laban (Gen. 29:15). Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar had no sons, only daughters, who married their “brethren,” the sons of Kish. These “brethren” were really their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

The terms “brothers,” “brother,” and “sister” did not refer only to close relatives. Sometimes they meant kinsmen (Deut. 23:7; Neh. 5:7; Jer. 34:9), as in the reference to the forty-two “brethren” of King Azariah (2 Kgs. 10:13–14).

No Word for Cousin

Because neither Hebrew nor Aramaic (the language spoken by Christ and his disciples) had a special word meaning “cousin,” speakers of those languages could use either the word for “brother” or a circumlocution, such as “the son of my uncle.” But circumlocutions are clumsy, so the Jews often used “brother.”

The writers of the New Testament were brought up using the Aramaic equivalent of “brothers” to mean both cousins and sons of the same father—plus other relatives and even non-relatives. When they wrote in Greek, they did the same thing the translators of the Septuagint did. (The Septuagint was the Greek version of the Hebrew Bible; it was translated by Hellenistic Jews a century or two before Christ’s birth and was the version of the Bible from which most of the Old Testament quotations found in the New Testament are taken.)

In the Septuagint the Hebrew word that includes both brothers and cousins was translated as adelphos, which in Greek usually has the narrow meaning that the English “brother” has. Unlike Hebrew or Aramaic, Greek has a separate word for cousin, anepsios, but the translators of the Septuagint used adelphos, even for true cousins.

You might say they transliterated instead of translated, importing the Jewish idiom into the Greek Bible. They took an exact equivalent of the Hebrew word for “brother” and did not use* adelphos* in one place (for sons of the same parents), and anepsios in another (for cousins). This same usage was employed by the writers of the New Testament and passed into English translations of the Bible. To determine what “brethren” or “brother” or “sister” means in any one verse, we have to look at the context. When we do that, we see that insuperable problems arise if we assume that Mary had children other than Jesus.
 
Dismissed it how? That it was a work of complete fiction? That it was not inspired? You offer no support for your claim,…
I gave you the citations…look them up
…but you fail to address the fundamental issue which is that the Protoevangelium is an ANCIENT work containing evidence that the earliest Christians supported the PPV.
the gnostic gospels are also ancient…and the Protoevangelium doesn’t establish the view of the earliest Christians…it establishes the view of some Christians about 150-175 years after the fact in but a portion of the Roman Empire…remember Carthage at 200 AD didn’t follow its teachings.
Ah, of course. The evil Catholic Church destroyed all evidence of truth that contradicted its erroneous doctrines…
we know the works existed and we know that we don’t have them now and if you want to label the CC “evil” b/c of those two facts…
It works the other way around. First, I conclude that the Catholic Church is infallible based up history and biblical evidence that an infallible Church must exist. Then, I figure out what that infallible Church is teaching and accept it based upon reason and God-given faith.
there you have it…YOUR fallible conclusion (that an infallible Church must exist…which is actually an assumption likely determined by YOUR preferences) based on YOUR fallible assessment of history (which doesn’t jive with the assessment of scholars as shown in the work entitled “Mary in the New Testament”)
But consider your own situation: the Catholic Church HAS to be wrong…it just HAS to. Consequently, anything and everything that the Church teaches has to be rejected.
if a credible source taught the PVof M then I would easily accept it…as has been pointed out on this thread, a number of 1st generation Protestants accepted it…acceptance of the PVofM doesn’t require me to embrace Catholicism at all…I really don’t have much of a dog in this fight
 
When restricting oneself to the Biblical record, I don’t think a dogmatic statement can be made either way.
agreed…but a determination of what is most likely can be made
I found a reference to a book called Mary in the New Testament: A Collaborative Assessment by Protestant and Roman Catholic Scholars. Here’s an interesting excerpt:
"In 1978, the authors of the now well-known book Mary in the New Testament . . . reached the four following conclusions on the identification of the “brothers and sisters” of Jesus mentioned in the New Testament:
The continued virginity of Mary after the birth of Jesus is not a question directly raised by the New Testament.
Once it was raised in subsequent church history, it was that question which focused attention on the exact relationship of the “brothers” (and “sisters”) to Jesus.
Once that attention has been focused, it cannot be said that the New Testament identifies them without doubt as blood brothers and sisters and hence as children of Mary.
note how the authors emphasis the “without doubt”…it means that, in the opinion of those scholars, the New Testament identified them with less than absolute clarity as blood brothers and sisters and hence as children of Mary. (For example at pp 86-87 they acknowledge that the “not until” verse when coupled with what is said in chapters 12 & 13 creates the likelihood that Matthew believed that Mary and Joseph had other kids together)…it wasn’t expressly said, but it sure is the likely understanding
 
agreed…but a determination of what is most likely can be made

note how the authors emphasis the “without doubt”…it means that, in the opinion of those scholars, the New Testament identified them with less than absolute clarity as blood brothers and sisters and hence as children of Mary. (For example at pp 86-87 they acknowledge that the “not until” verse when coupled with what is said in chapters 12 & 13 creates the likelihood that Matthew believed that Mary and Joseph had other kids together)…it wasn’t expressly said, but it sure is the likely understanding
Radical,

Do you believe Jesus had 120 brothers? Biology produces about the same number of females so it’s fair to believe that he had 120 sisters too. So all told…he must have had around 240 brothers and sisters. An Octomom would have to have 8 children, every year for 30 years to have 240 children. Certainly the Church would have written about this. It would have been the second greatest story ever told.

Galatians 1 below…

15 During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (there was a group of about one hundred and twenty persons in the one place). He said,
 
You, Randy Carson, and Erich seem convinced that none of the four named brothers of Jesus are actually sons of Mary and Joseph, but the demonstration provided seems to depend upon the assumption that there are fewer men sharing the same name than some sources suggest. For example, I had referenced the Holman Bible Dictionary, which says there are 3 men named James, 3 named Joses, 7 named Judas, and 9 named Simon. Other sources suggest even higher numbers for some names. John MacArthur finds four men in the NT named James, and another source says it could be as many as eight (“The New Testament mentions at least two persons named James, probably at least three, and perhaps as many as eight.” elvis.rowan.edu/~kilroy/JEK/05/01.html).

It amazes me to see you state that there is “no question” on the issue, but perhaps I simply need to read more widely. Is there a book or article you can point me to that goes into the named brothers of Jesus in more detail? Or perhaps a reference arguing for fewer people sharing the same name than the Holman Bible Dictionary does?
It has already been demonstrated very aptly by others as to the identity of those you mention so I won’t bother repeating it. There is another factor here that is very simple and that is the fact that, while hanging on the cross, Jesus placed his mother in the care of John who we know was not a brother of Jesus. Without question, especially in that culture and that time, if Jesus had any brothers by blood it would have been one of them that took in their mother, not John. Maybe you can explain why this happened.
 
Articles on Perpetual Virginity
Thank you for those references. I find them a good argument for allowing for the possibility that the brothers and sisters were not *necessarily *the children of Mary and Joseph, but I don’t see anything in their arguments or in the Biblical text to establish without question the perpetual virginity of Mary. I find the more natural and likely scriptural interpretation to be that Mary and Joseph did have other children besides Jesus, but I agree with the statement made in that “Collaborative Assessment” article I linked to previously:

“the biblical text allows one to identify the so-called “brothers and sisters” as Jesus’ siblings as well as other sorts of close relatives. Thus exegetes may either accept Mary’s post partum (i.e. after Jesus’ birth) virginity–in the literal meaning of the word–or reject it, without having to surrender their intellectual integrity.”

This statement from the “objector” in one of the articles you cited reflects my own thinking:

OBJECTOR: It seems to me like you’re using a lot of complicated reasoning to ignore the obvious statements in Scripture that show that Jesus had brothers and that Mary therefore could not have remained a virgin. You’re going to the passages with the idea that Mary was a virgin, and you’re reading that idea into the passages instead of drawing it from them. Even if the passages in question could be interpreted the way you see them, I don’t see any evidence in Scripture that they should be interpreted that way.

And the answer given brings up the issue that SteveVH also raised:

CATHOLIC: On the contrary, I think there is evidence (even beyond what I’ve shown you already) that it is very reasonable to interpret the texts as showing that Jesus did not have brothers. If Jesus did have brothers, why would he have entrusted Mary to the beloved disciple, John, at the foot of the cross (John 19:26–27)? He would have had surviving siblings who would have taken care of her. It would be surprising for Jesus to release his brothers from their obligation to their mother, especially because he criticized the Pharisees for neglecting the support of their own parents in Matthew 15:3–6.

The answer above is a bit less assertive than SteveVH’s (i.e., “it would have been surprising” vs. “without question”), but below is the explanation as given by the John MacArthur Study Bible. I’m not suggesting it will convince someone who holds the opposite view, but it is a reasonable answer.

19:26 the disciple whom He loved. This is a reference to John (see note on 13:23; cf. Introduction: Author and Date). Jesus, as firstborn and breadwinner of the family before He started His ministry, did not give the responsibility to His brothers because they were not sympathetic to His ministry nor did they believe in Him (7:3-5) and they likely were not present at the time (i.e., their home was in Capernaum–see 2:12).
 
Thank you for those references. I don’t see anything in their arguments or in the Biblical text to establish without question the perpetual virginity of Mary. .
Catholics believe Our Lady was the Ark of the New Covenant and therefore can never be blemished or defiled by the human stain of sin.

The Ark of the Old Covenant was pure and undefiled, sinful humanity was not allowed to touch it, only the High Priest could enter behind the curtain. It carried the most sacred objects of the Jewish faith, The word of God in stone, The rod of Aaron the High Priest and Manna.

Mary, The Ark of the New Covenant is also pure and undefiled, she was without sin by the Grace of God. Mary is the purest vessel for the Word of God made flesh. She carried the most sacred, holy of holies of the Jewish and Christian faith, the Messiah.

Just as Adam and Eve had no original sin, the New Adam (Jesus) and the New Eve (Mary) had no original sin. Mary is sinless by the Grace of God, Jesus was sinless by nature.

In Exodus 2,34 the 'Presence of God would come upon the Ark and overshadow it". Luke 1,35 describes exactly the same event occurring to Mary.

The following verses from the OT are fulfilled in the NT regarding the Ark of the Old Testament and Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant.

2Sam 6:9 ~ Luke 1:43
2Sam 6:17 ~ Luke 1:44
2Sam 6:11 ~ Luke 1:56
 
CATHOLIC: On the contrary, I think there is evidence (even beyond what I’ve shown you already) that it is very reasonable to interpret the texts as showing that Jesus did not have brothers.
I can’t even begin to imagine the inferiority complex any (hypothetical) blood siblings of Jesus would surely have had growing up, due to their inability to live up to the example set by their older brother.

Why can’t you be like your brother Jesus?
He never gives us a moment’s trouble.
He always makes his bed.
He always picks up his toys.
He is never a minute late for curfew.
He always brings Dad’s camel home clean.
He never talks back.
He even cleans the ring out of the bathtub and hangs up his clothes.
 
My stepdaughter was talking about how, later on, his siblings didn’t believe him. I said, “Whose siblings?” She said, “Jesus’s siblings.” I was stunned silent for a minute and then managed to say, “Oh … We don’t believe Jesus had siblings.”

I don’t remember ever being taught that Jesus had siblings in the Disciple of Christ church. But my research after this conversation seems to reveal that many or most Protestant churches believe this.

Is this true? Are Protestant churches teaching this as fact? It seems to me the documentation of the various interpretations of the references to Jesus’s “brothers” in the New Testament would mean that, at the most, the churches would be teaching the various theories and not asserting that Jesus had brothers as a fact.
Okay Akarmitage, you don’t believe Jesus had siblings. In that case, I have a question for you: I was reading the gospel of Matthew today and came about Mat. 13:55 when the Jews were surprised at Jesus and asked: “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t Mary known
to be his mother and James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas his brothers?” If Jesus did not have siblings, how do you explain these four brothers of his? I have heard from extra-Biblical sources that Mary didn’t have anymore children after Jesus was born. If you say that those four guys were Joseph’s sons, how could they be called Jesus’ brothers if Jesus
was not a biological son of Joseph? And last but not least, if you say that they were Jesus’ cousins, how if there was no blood connection between Jesus and Joseph? I am confused. What do you say?
 
it seems one has to be from the Middle East to understand this 🙂

yes there is no specific word for cousin in aramaic, as well as Syriac and even Arabic.

to this day, let alone 2,000 years ago, we constantly refer to cousins as brothers or sisters.

It is even applied to non-cousins.

it is a very common bonding word that not only includes cousins but friends.
Yes, Shreek. I guess one has to be from the Middle East :D:thumbsup:
 
Posts 16 and 52 (and others) on this thread.
to again point out what someone has already told you:

all that those posts establish is that Jesus’s uterine brothers are not included within the 12 disciples. Said another way, those posts show that the disciples within the twelve who have the same first names as Jesus’s brethern, have different parents than Jesus. This is no surprise.

A look at the three synoptic gospels would have disclosed that the brothers of Jesus are mentioned on a couple of occasions. On the one occasion (Matt 12, Mark 3 and Luke 8) the 12 are mentioned(Mark 3:13-19),…Jesus entered a house with his disciples(Mark 3:20)… after which Jesus’s mother and brothers arrive and are outside the house(Mark 3:31-35). As such, the disciples named Simon(2), James(2) and Judas(2) were inside with Jesus whilst Jesus’s brothers named James, Joseph, Simon and Judas are outside with Mary and her daughters.
 
…Jesus entered a house with his disciples(Mark 3:20)… after which Jesus’s mother and brothers arrive and are outside the house(Mark 3:31-35). As such, the disciples named Simon(2), James(2) and Judas(2) were inside with Jesus whilst Jesus’s brothers named James, Joseph, Simon and Judas are outside with Mary and her daughters.
“Brothers” understood as (New American Bible commentary):
The brother of James…Simon: in **Semitic usage, the terms “brother,” “sister” are applied not only to children of the same parents, but to nephews, nieces, cousins, half-brothers, and half-sisters; **cf. Gn 14:16; 29:15; Lv 10:4. While one cannot suppose that the meaning of a Greek word should be sought in the first place from Semitic usage, the Septuagint often translates the Hebrew ’āh by the Greek word adelphos, “brother,” as in the cited passages, a fact that may argue for a similar breadth of meaning in some New Testament passages. For instance, there is no doubt that in v 17, “brother” is used of Philip, who was actually the half-brother of Herod Antipas.
Is consistent with Jesus not having 120 brothers…and presumably 120 sisters… and having an Octogon mom times 30. Acts 1:
15 During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (there was a group of about one hundred and twenty persons in the one place). He said,
Is consistent with the early Catholic Church writings…the same Catholic Church that canonized the bible. All dates below before the bible even existed…which gives one a pretty good sense as to what the writers meant. Who to believe…the early church writing close to the time of Christ, listening to the descendents of the apostles or a pastor 1700 years laster, mis-interpreting sacred scripture?
“**For if Mary, as those declare who with sound mind extol her, had no other son but Jesus, **and yet Jesus says to His mother, Woman, behold thy son,’ and not Behold you have this son also,’ then He virtually said to her, Lo, this is Jesus, whom thou didst bear.’ Is it not the case that every one who is perfect lives himself no longer, but Christ lives in him; and if Christ lives in him, then it is said of him to Mary, Behold thy son Christ.’ What a mind, then, must we have to enable us to interpret in a worthy manner this work, though it be committed to the earthly treasure-house of common speech, of writing which any passer-by can read, and which can be heard when read aloud by any one who lends to it his bodily ears?” Origen, Commentary on John, I:6 (A.D. 232).
“Therefore let those who deny that the Son is from the Father by nature and proper to His Essence, deny also that He took true human flesh of Mary Ever-Virgin; for in neither case had it been of profit to us men, whether the Word were not true and naturally Son of God, or the flesh not true which He assumed.” Athanasius, Orations against the Arians, II:70 (A.D. 362).
"And when he had taken her, he knew her not, till she had brought forth her first-born Son.’ He hath here used the word till,’ **not that thou shouldest suspect that afterwards he did know her, **but to inform thee that before the birth the Virgin was wholly untouched by man. But why then, it may be said, hath he used the word, till’? Because it is usual in Scripture often to do this, and to use this expression without reference to limited times. For so with respect to the ark likewise, it is said, The raven returned not till the earth was dried up.’ And yet it did not return even after that time. And when discoursing also of God, the Scripture saith, From age until age Thou art,’ not as fixing limits in this case. And again when it is preaching the Gospel beforehand, and saying, In his days shall righteousness flourish, and abundance of peace, till the moon be taken away,’ it doth not set a limit to this fair part of creation. So then here likewise, it uses the word “till,” to make certain what was before the birth, but as to what follows, it leaves thee to make the inference.” John Chrysostom, Gospel of Matthew, V:5 (A.D. 370).
“Thus, what it was necessary for thee to learn of Him, this He Himself hath said; that the Virgin was untouched by man until the birth; but that which both was seen to be a consequence of the former statement, and was acknowledged, this in its turn he leaves for thee to perceive; namely, that not even after this, she having so become a mother, and having been counted worthy of a new sort of travail, and a child-bearing so strange, could that righteous man ever have endured to know her. For if he had known her, and had kept her in the place of a wife, how is it that our Lord commits her, as unprotected, and having no one, to His disciple, and commands him to take her to his own home? How then, one may say, are James and the others called His brethren?’ John Chrysostom, Gospel of Matthew, V:5 (A.D. 370).
**"[T]he Son of God…was born perfectly of the holy ever-virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit…" **Epiphanius, Well Anchored Man, 120 (A.D. 374).
**“The friends of Christ do not tolerate hearing that the Mother of God ever ceased to be a virgin” **Basil, Homily In Sanctum Christi generationem, 5 (ante A.D. 379).
Better to listen to the Church including St. Basil…that Friends of Christ do not tolerate hearing that the the Mother of God ever ceased to be a virgin. 👍
 
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