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allisonP -

I’m sincerely sorry if what I posted offended you. You seem to have gotten a few of the posts, and maybe even some of the statements in my posts confused. If you reread what I posted, I was not the poster of the joke (I did comment later on having heard it from a Church of Christ preacher that I know). My post regarding my knowledge of the CofC was provided because I was asked to share it by another poster. You will notice if you reread that post that it is separated into two major sections - the first is a description of my experiences with my husband’s family in particular. I pointed out in that section how zealous they are - a point you yourself made in your reply. Zeal is admirable. The second section was a summary of common beliefs within the CofC churches (you will also notice that I used terms like “most” and “many” because it’s impossible to completely p(name removed by moderator)oint beliefs that are universal within the CofC). The beliefs are a summary of those believed by most CofC congregations I have known and been affiliated with (I believe my experiences are valid - my husband, his family, and my best friend in the world all grew up in the CofC, and all but one of the aforementioned is still a member there).

As for comments about me personally - I’m not “proud” of my knowledge, but I do believe that having been a member of the Church of Christ for 8 years qualifies me as having some degree of expertise relative to many who post on this board. In addition, I have studied books and spent many hours in conversation with members of the church outside of the congregation I called home. My husband spent the first 33 years of his life in the Church of Christ and I’d be willing to bet that he would say I know as much or more about their beliefs than he does. I reread my comments on my current church, and I can’t for the life of me figure out what you meant by my pride in my Baptist church, so I’ll just have to pass on that one. I am offended that you question my understanding of my own beliefs, given that you don’t know anything about me other than what was contained in the prior posts. It’s not something I’ll lose sleep over, though, because I know that indeed you do not know me and are free to have whatever opinion you wish.

I find it admirable that you are trying to learn more about the Catholic faith. I can only name one person of the many members of the Church of Christ that I know that I would expect to do what you are doing. Your actions lead me to believe that you are of the more progressive (what would be referred to as “liberal” by my father-in-law) variety of Church of Christ member.

Everyone else - this thread was the first I’ve posted to, and I guess I should have minded my own business! My apologies to anyone that may have been offended by my words or presence here.

Peace and joy,
Andi
 
Oh my! Look at what became of my little post! I have learned a lot from what you guys have posted. It helps me to really understand what she has told me about her church. In fact, she said many of the things you have said in past conversations - almost as if you both had read it straight from the same book. Very interesting.

Unfortunately, my SIL and I are not really speaking. In fact, she doesn’t ever plan on speaking to me…she only talks when it’s unavoidable.

I feel deeply hurt by the fact that she married my BIL in the Catholic church and also went along with having her babies baptized in the Catholic church (for my in-laws) and now never sets foot in the church. I have big issues with being a hypocrite… Now both she and my BIL go to the (Riverchase) Church of Christ. Whatever floats your boat.

I wish that she would have been honest in her feelings from the beginning (when they were dating) so that all of this could have been avoided.
 
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katieandpaul:
In fact, she said many of the things you have said in past conversations - almost as if you both had read it straight from the same book. Very interesting.
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My husband (who was raised in the CofC and just left it two years ago) calls it “the cult,” and has called it that for as long as I’ve known - even when he was still a member. The things I noted in the earlier post are generally believed across the board.

I am familiar with the Riverchase Church of Christ. In fact, I know several of the families there, including my very best friend when I lived in Birmingham. It is what I would consider one of the more reasonable CofC congregations in the area. Feel free to email me privately if you’d like to talk about it more.

Peace and joy!
 
If your attitude in inquiring about her faith is an attempt to convert her and not merely to seek information, I am not surprised she gets snappy.
 
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katieandpaul:
My sister-in-law was raised a member of the Church of Christ. I have tried to ask a few questions about her faith, but her answers are generally short and somewhat smart-mouthed. One question that I asked her (since I consider her faith protestant) was who started her church. Her answer - short and sweet- was Jesus Christ.

Is this what her faith teaches, or does she misunderstand her faith?

Also, her husband (my husband’s brother) was raised Catholic, but he is not as strong in his faith. He attends her church services, with their two boys (both where Baptized as Catholics, but refer to the Catholic Church as “Katie and Paul’s Church”). We are actually the godparents to their youngest child. I am not really close to them any more, but I would like to know more about what they are being taught, and what I can do to pray for their conversion.

Thank you!
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YES the church of Christ movement will tell you they are the church of the bible because of Rom 16:16 refers to the churches of Christ–This can be dismissed because this verse is talking as a geographical reference to the local congregations
 
Will Pick:
YES the church of Christ movement will tell you they are the church of the bible because of Rom 16:16 refers to the churches of Christ–This can be dismissed because this verse is talking as a geographical reference to the local congregations
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I find it strange that they rarely even refer to the OT.

Just finished watching a 4-hour debate… Catholic Apologist Robert Sungenis and CofC preacher John Polk III.
I was saddened by the way Polk (as do many CofC leaders I have witnessed) has as his goal the destruction of Catholicism. He has no strength in his theology because there is only random out-of-context verse snatching.
Sungenis on the other hand was amazingly patient and on topic as they discussed what is the Sole Authority for Christian Faith and Practice.

the DVD’s (and soon the CD audio) is available at www.catholicintl.com
 
I am a member of the Church of Christ. *

The same way that the Catholic Church believes itself to be THE church founded by the Lord, we believe the same thing about ourselves. The difference is that while the Catholic Church believes in an unbroken chain of successors to the apostles, we do not recognize any reference to apostolic succession in the tradition of the apostles, and believe that we (or anyone) can be the Lord’s church simply by virtue of following the recorded traditions of the apostles unmodified.

We could be described as “non-denominational.” But so many people today use this term to mean “inter-denominational,” meaning “we accept people from all denominations.” I would use it to mean “anti-denominational,” meaning I recognize that the apostles forbade denominations.

fifthwardcoc.org/whatwebelieve.htm [for what we believe]

any other questions feel free to PM me, and I will answer with the most clarity I can give.*
 
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ReflectHim:
I am a member of the Church of Christ. *

The same way that the Catholic Church believes itself to be THE church founded by the Lord, we believe the same thing about ourselves. The difference is that while the Catholic Church believes in an unbroken chain of successors to the apostles, we do not recognize any reference to apostolic succession in the tradition of the apostles, and believe that we (or anyone) can be the Lord’s church simply by virtue of following the recorded traditions of the apostles unmodified.

We could be described as “non-denominational.” But so many people today use this term to mean “inter-denominational,” meaning “we accept people from all denominations.” I would use it to mean “anti-denominational,” meaning I recognize that the apostles forbade denominations.

fifthwardcoc.org/whatwebelieve.htm* [for what we believe]

any other questions feel free to PM me, and I will answer with the most clarity I can give.

The Church of Christ has NO verifiable history prior to 1900. And your site claims the Catholic Church was started by Bonifac III in the 7th Century. What kind of history revision is that??

a couple of the comments/posts from the Church of Christ Campaign thread :

It is very true that the Church of Christ does not meet the history test. Growing up, I was always told we were the church founded on the day of pentecost, and all other churches were instituted by men as they were founded after that date. The actual history of this church was never mentioned. Well, as a history student I begin to investigate the history of my church, and found that what I was being told did not mirror the historical record. I even read books on the Church of Christ, such as “Why I am a Member of the Church of Christ.” These books like to espouse the seed theory. They saw the Church and its teachings as a seed. And this seed could be planted at any time, and it would be grow into the original church- recreating the Church as it was before. The problem I saw with this is yes- plant an actual seed and it will grow and produce accoring to it genes, but the Church is not simply a seed that can be recreated from following the new testament. Simply doing so does not guarentee it. One needs to go to the source- the church in perpetual existance since Jesus founded it- the Catholic Church!
And yes, shunning does happen. Since I left the Church of Christ, when I meet other members they act as if they do not even know me.

I also grew up in the Church of Christ.As an I found the Church Jesus founded.Peter was given the keys.The Church of Christ believe they are the only ones going to Heaven.My grandmother and my dad died scared to death that my children and myself were going to hell.Sad as it is I believe that Our Lord explained things to them when they stepped into eternity.The historians including the Christian persecuters trace The Roman Catholic to Jesus and the apostles.The Early Church Fathers were Catholic.If you have a Bible,the Catholics put it into canon(although during the protestant reformation 7 books were removed).Another interesting fact Jesus quoted from the books that were removed.The Church of Christ started in the 1800’s.God Bless You,pray for the Truth and HE will find you
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ReflectHim:
I am a member of the Church of Christ. *

The same way that the Catholic Church believes itself to be THE church founded by the Lord, we believe the same thing about ourselves. The difference is that while the Catholic Church believes in an unbroken chain of successors to the apostles, we do not recognize any reference to apostolic succession in the tradition of the apostles, and believe that we (or anyone) can be the Lord’s church simply by virtue of following the recorded traditions of the apostles unmodified.

We could be described as “non-denominational.” But so many people today use this term to mean “inter-denominational,” meaning “we accept people from all denominations.” I would use it to mean “anti-denominational,” meaning I recognize that the apostles forbade denominations.

fifthwardcoc.org/whatwebelieve.htm* [for what we believe]

any other questions feel free to PM me, and I will answer with the most clarity I can give.

I have one question don;t the C of C also say that Peter could not be the first pope because he was married and that the bible does not talk of a pristhood
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MrS:
The Church of Christ has NO verifiable history prior to 1900. And your site claims the Catholic Church was started by Bonifac III in the 7th Century. What kind of history revision is that??

a couple of the comments/posts from the Church of Christ Campaign thread :

It is very true that the Church of Christ does not meet the history test. Growing up, I was always told we were the church founded on the day of pentecost, and all other churches were instituted by men as they were founded after that date. The actual history of this church was never mentioned. Well, as a history student I begin to investigate the history of my church, and found that what I was being told did not mirror the historical record. I even read books on the Church of Christ, such as “Why I am a Member of the Church of Christ.” These books like to espouse the seed theory. They saw the Church and its teachings as a seed. And this seed could be planted at any time, and it would be grow into the original church- recreating the Church as it was before. The problem I saw with this is yes- plant an actual seed and it will grow and produce accoring to it genes, but the Church is not simply a seed that can be recreated from following the new testament. Simply doing so does not guarentee it. One needs to go to the source- the church in perpetual existance since Jesus founded it- the Catholic Church!
And yes, shunning does happen. Since I left the Church of Christ, when I meet other members they act as if they do not even know me.

I also grew up in the Church of Christ.As an I found the Church Jesus founded.Peter was given the keys.The Church of Christ believe they are the only ones going to Heaven.My grandmother and my dad died scared to death that my children and myself were going to hell.Sad as it is I believe that Our Lord explained things to them when they stepped into eternity.The historians including the Christian persecuters trace The Roman Catholic to Jesus and the apostles.The Early Church Fathers were Catholic.If you have a Bible,the Catholics put it into canon(although during the protestant reformation 7 books were removed).Another interesting fact Jesus quoted from the books that were removed.The Church of Christ started in the 1800’s.God Bless You,pray for the Truth and HE will find you
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and likewise to you sir. you don’t have to agree with what i have provided. but please do no indicate that because you were a part of the Church you can now throw punches and insult one’s faith. I have given sufficent answers, and anymore to be addresed I will answer, again with much clarity as possible. You can shoot it out, as can I, and we’ll never agree. So its not about proving whose right, simply that I’m providing information on my Church. Period. Not to debate with you over who is right. Just seems like a lost cause, thats all.

Sorry that since you left members shun you. But you act as if this is a practice of just those outside the catholic church. Anything said can be applied to any member of any organization. So do not try to harp on identifying members of the Church of Christ as just those who shun. Please don’t indicate that you have the perfect members in your church. What you experienced in the Church of Christ you could experience in the catholic church, the baptist church, at work, any where. Period. It’s as if you painting a cruel picture of one’s religion. But the minute I were to do that about catholicism, i’m sure you would say i’m anti-catholic.

Somethings that you spit out can be hypocritical. Anti-catholic this, and that. Do we ever examine self. We’re all guilty. We’re all people. I mean seriously.
 
Daniel Marsh:
Hi Will, here are a few examples of their logic,

bible.ca/cath-peter=pope.htm

Peter and the Papacy:
Was Peter First Pope, Holy Father, Supreme Pontiff, and Vicar of Christ?

biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/peter_as_pope.php

Was Peter the First Pope?
By Kevin Cauley
the-churchofchrist.com/catholicism/was_peter_the_first_pope.htm

google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Peter+Not+Pope+married+%22Church+of+Christ%22
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that is not a Church of Christ sponsered or run website. even the google site…that doesn’t speak on the stand point of the Church of Christ. You’re taking that out of context there.

i will provide this link

www.preachersfiles.com

feel free to join the message forum, or browse. this should give you an extensive look into the Church.
 
I have a couple of questions about the Church of Christ…not “United” just the so called regular Church of Christ.
  1. Do members of the Church of Christ think like Catholics in
    the fact that they are actually recieving the
    Body/Blood of Christ when they recieve communion?
  2. Do you not use the word “Easter” because the word Easter
    represents a Pagan celebration?
Thank you for time. 🙂

tjbj
 
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tjbj:
I have a couple of questions about the Church of Christ…not “United” just the so called regular Church of Christ.
  1. Do members of the Church of Christ think like Catholics in
    the fact that they are actually recieving the
    Body/Blood of Christ when they recieve communion?
No.
  1. Do you not use the word “Easter” because the word Easter
    represents a Pagan celebration?
We don’t celebrate easter as a religious holiday. Because we celebrate the resurrection of Christ every Sunday, or everyday for that matter. Use the word I’m sure, but ya know…really can’t answer that

Thank you for time. 🙂

tjbj
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Will Pick:
I have one question don;t the C of C also say that Peter could not be the first pope because he was married and that the bible does not talk of a pristhood
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Why couldn’t a married man have been pope? Several of the early popes were married. The requirement of celibacy for Catholic clergy is a relatively recent discipline, not a doctrine.

This is a big point of misunderstanding on the part of non-Catholics - the difference between doctrines and disciplines.

Paul
 
I am a member of a Church of Christ. But being a member doesnt exactly make me a follower. I’ve only been at the church for a year now. My mother was raised in the Church(es) of Christ. My uncle is a minister in one, in Indiana. I, however have lost what little microscopic fragment of loyalty I had to it. Lately, thanks to a good friend, I have been somewhat involved in catholicism 👍. I am still woken up at the crack of dawn every sunday and forced to go to church. Today we had a special guest to come to our church. He was a missionary working in India. He was discussing India and Malta. He says “You think Hinduism is dangerous? In Malta, they are 98% *ROMAN CATHOLIC * (he had a nasty emphasis on that) and there, you dont want to go against it because it is much worse than Hinduism!” I let out a cough when he made that statement. He then went on to talk about how some people in his mission group “led some of them to the Lord from Catholicism”. :eek: Led some of them to the Lord from Catholicism?! What is that supposed to mean? I haven’t figured that one out yet.

Anyways, if any of you want to know anything about the Church of Christ or the Restoration Movement, doctrines or practices or anything, I can be your inside source! 😃
 
I find the above post a bit discouraging but nonetheless we are all entitled to our reflections and opinions. But I think it’s a bit unfair to speak ill of one’s religous affliations.

What happned between the man speaking and you is a reflection of him. Not the Church. I feel that this could have happened to anyone of any religious affliation. I believe that we all at times speak negative of others, period. We just do.

We all at some point are “anti-” something, for a lack of a better word. But to point out the incident of this one man, who is not flawless, in order to give a negative perspective of the Church of Christ, I feel is spiteful.

He does not speak for the Church, nor does his actions. One bad apple should not ruin the entire barrel. And to judge his such approach and apply to all in the Church isn’t even solid foundation to stand on.

What happens in one church, organization or anything, is capable of happening anywhere.

Just my two cents. And again I will as I would expect anyone to do, give honest and clear answers to any ones asked of me. But I will not speak negative of my Church nor of yours.
 
Will Pick:
YES the church of Christ movement will tell you they are the church of the bible because of Rom 16:16 refers to the churches of Christ–This can be dismissed because this verse is talking as a geographical reference to the local congregations
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It is interesting that this verse is used as well by the Inglesia ni Cristo (literally, Church of Christ). The INC is in no way related to the CoC, but they use that same passage to validate their claim.
 
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ReflectHim:
that is not a Church of Christ sponsered or run website. even the google site…that doesn’t speak on the stand point of the Church of Christ. You’re taking that out of context there.

i will provide this link

www.preachersfiles.com

feel free to join the message forum, or browse. this should give you an extensive look into the Church.
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with such a loving reply, how can I resist.
 
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