Church says masturbation bad

[ErrorCMDR]

The Church says that masturbation is a sin. What if your uraligist says to do it because it is healthy and cleans out the prostate?

I have heard many people on this forum state that the health claims by doctors are faulty.
How can you refute scientific data that says masturbation cleans our your prostate and helps with urinary health? Is it still a sin if it is just for health reasons and no sexual gratification is gained?
Birth control is allowed if used only for medical reasons, can the same not be said for masturbation? I know the Church says its wrong because of the Catechism number 2352 states

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.”

So if it is used for and with the Medical understanding then can it still classify as Sin?

Hope for a good conversation

my urologist was

James K. Smolev, M.D.
Certified by the American Board of Urology

* State University of New York, Upstate Medical University, M.D.
* State University of New York University at Buffalo Surgery Residency Program
* Johns Hopkins Hospital Urology Residency Program

Dr. Smolev is the Chief of Urology at the Good Samaritan Hospital, and has privileges at St. Joseph Medical Center, GBMC and the Union Memorial Hospital. He has experience in all aspects of urology, with special expertise in the use of prosthetics for the restoration of male erectile function and male and female urinary incontinence. He also provides all available minimally invasive surgeries for the enlarged prostate in men and the endoscopic (non-surgical) treatment of kidney stones.

 

[teachccd]

My physician is Jesus and His Church says that any sexual activity outside the marriage covenant is wrong. He may not have all of the credentials that your urologist has but I still find Him quite reliable…teachccd

 

[thistle]

The Church says that masturbation is a sin. **What if your uraligist says to do it because it is healthy and cleans out the prostate?
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I have heard many people on this forum state that the health claims by doctors are faulty.
How can you refute scientific data that says masturbation cleans our your prostate and helps with urinary health? Is it still a sin if it is just for health reasons and no sexual gratification is gained?
Birth control is allowed if used only for medical reasons, can the same not be said for masturbation? I know the Church says its wrong because of the Catechism number 2352 states

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.”

So if it is used for and with the Medical understanding then can it still classify as Sin?

Hope for a good conversation

my urologist was

James K. Smolev, M.D.
Certified by the American Board of Urology

* State University of New York, Upstate Medical University, M.D.
* State University of New York University at Buffalo Surgery Residency Program
* Johns Hopkins Hospital Urology Residency Program

Dr. Smolev is the Chief of Urology at the Good Samaritan Hospital, and has privileges at St. Joseph Medical Center, GBMC and the Union Memorial Hospital. He has experience in all aspects of urology, with special expertise in the use of prosthetics for the restoration of male erectile function and male and female urinary incontinence. He also provides all available minimally invasive surgeries for the enlarged prostate in men and the endoscopic (non-surgical) treatment of kidney stones.

Yes it is still a sin. It seems some people are grasping at anything to try to justify continuing to sin.

 

[ErrorCMDR]

But as Catechism number 2352 states

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.”

so if it is not for Sexual pleasure and is for a health reason. how is it wrong?

 

[VociMike]

But as Catechism number 2352 states

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.”

so if it is not for Sexual pleasure and is for a health reason. how is it wrong?

Nobody believes this. Do you, really? Are you really prepared to defend your defiance at the Last Judgement?

 

[mlchance]

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.”

If you can masturbate to orgasm in order to “cleans out the prostate” without experiencing sexual pleasure, knock yourself out.

Or, more succintly:

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Brendan]

How can you refute scientific data that says masturbation cleans our your prostate and helps with urinary health?

And if you have back problems, it’s healthier to own a slave to do all the heavy lifting.

But the medical issue doesn’t justify an immoral act, now does it?

 

[ErrorCMDR]

Nobody believes this. Do you, really? Are you really prepared to defend your defiance at the Last Judgement?

Yes and for the second question Yes. God is the father of knowledge and as it is yes. If it was a sin to use it for non-sexual reasons I think the Catechism would have specified.
Now this is fully for medical reasons not for childish pleasure.
Now if one day the Church goes back and says nah… we made a mistake what it should say is for no reason at all ever. then I will take it as that

• after loosing half a year to a prostate infection, I will pray this one over some more.

God Bless

EC

 

[teachccd]

If you can masturbate to orgasm in order to “cleans out the prostate” without experiencing sexual pleasure, knock yourself out.

Or, more succintly:

– Mark L. Chance.

Yea, that’d be a first!!

 

[VociMike]

Yes and for the second question Yes. God is the father of knowledge and as it is yes. If it was a sin to use it for non-sexual reasons I think the Catechism would have specified.
Now this is fully for medical reasons not for childish pleasure.
Now if one day the Church goes back and says nah… we made a mistake what it should say is for no reason at all ever. then I will take it as that

• after loosing half a year to a prostate infection, I will pray this one over some more.

God Bless

Just trust in God. Our goal is not to live the longest, healthiest lives. Our goal is to conform ourselves to God’s will, to partake of the divine nature, to become united with God forever.

 

[teachccd]

Yes and for the second question Yes. God is the father of knowledge and as it is yes. If it was a sin to use it for non-sexual reasons I think the Catechism would have specified.
Now this is fully for medical reasons not for childish pleasure.
Now if one day the Church goes back and says nah… we made a mistake what it should say is for no reason at all ever. then I will take it as that

• after loosing half a year to a prostate infection, I will pray this one over some more.

God Bless

EC

Then instead of us convincing so many that there are loopholes for this act, why don’t you seek out your confessor and deal with this on a personal level? Perhaps your details given to him can lessen your culpability. But for us here to make a general statement that for medical purposes masturbation is o.k. would not be prudent since many would find other “medical” reasons for this behavior. We are not your judge and jury. If your doctor states that you must perform this act in order to live normally then take this advice to your priest and go from there. This is not something that I believe you are taking lightly. I sense that you are wanting to conform to the teachings of the Church but need some pastoral care. God Bless…teachccd

 

[PaulinVA]

The Church says that masturbation is a sin. What if your urologist says to do it because it is healthy and cleans out the prostate?

Then you respond, sorry, doctor, I’m Catholic and we believe that is sinful.

 

[ErrorCMDR]

Just trust in God. Our goal is not to live the longest, healthiest lives. Our goal is to conform ourselves to God’s will, to partake of the divine nature, to become united with God forever.

Yes had God’s will said instead of for Sexual Pleasure something like hmmm…

“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive benefit for Any Reason Whatsoever.”

but they didn’t and I would never say the Catechism is wrong or miss worded

it says again

Catechism number 2352
“By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure.”

It always say for Pleasure which if your doing it only to clean out you prostate. then it is not for pleasure

 

[Caesar517]

According to my current understanding:

Your urologist didn’t tell you the whole truth. It may be true that ejecting semen can have health benefits, but that doesn’t need to be done through masturbation. Nocturnal emissions will take care of it and they happen more frequently when one does not masturbate.

I believe the reason that the referenced paragraph from the CCC has not been written more explicitly is because its meaning is understood. If you want further clarification of that section, speak with a priest or apologist.

Besides, Catholic men have been living in good health for two thousand years.

 

[ErrorCMDR]

Then instead of us convincing so many that there are loopholes for this act, why don’t you seek out your confessor and deal with this on a personal level? Perhaps your details given to him can lessen your culpability. But for us here to make a general statement that for medical purposes masturbation is o.k. would not be prudent since many would find other “medical” reasons for this behavior. We are not your judge and jury. If your doctor states that you must perform this act in order to live normally then take this advice to your priest and go from there. This is not something that I believe you are taking lightly. I sense that you are wanting to conform to the teachings of the Church but need some pastoral care. God Bless…teachccd

Wish I had seen your post Before.
Thank you for your words I will take them to my Priest

God Bless

EC

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

To be perfectly honest, I’ve read many times that masturbation can (not is, but can!) be healthy for the teenage soul, if it’s done rarely. Better doing yourself, then, someone who you’re not married to.

When it comes to this “prostate health”, then, it has to be done to get healthy again.

It’s very unfair to say that some person absolutely *will *get addicted to the inevitable pleasures, when people usually have their own say in their control-- masturbation isn’t addicting, the people’s *desire *for masturbation is.

religioustolerance.org/masturba1.htm

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

 

[Elizabeth502]

On the heels of Caesar’s reply, I want to reinforce that masturbation does not necessarily relieve prostate problems, as my Dad shared with us what his doctor prescribed for him (similarly as for the OP). Further, he actually was unable to do so because of the condition, he said.

(So take heart, guys… eventually, if you have prostate problems, you may no longer struggle against this.)

I knew you’d love me for that.

 

[ErrorCMDR]

Blade and Blood I always love your posts
but I have found that the last place you will find support for www.religioustolerance.org is this site. From good old John Mac to the people who hate that sticker with the signs.

Don’t you know Blade and Blood that site is supported by devil worshipers?
Not the kind of source allot of God fearing people would get medical info from.

Nocturnal emissions huh? hmm… wow considering most people have pretty steamy dreams when they have them. does that mean Unknowingly having sexual thoughts that cause you to release is more appropriate then consciously doing it for medical reasons.

Now it just seems your splitting hairs Caesar517

 

[ErrorCMDR]

and according to Wikipedia for Nocturnal Emissions

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_emission

Saint Augustine interprets the references to the uncleanliness of discharge of seed (and menstruation) in Leviticus as symbolizing disorder and unruliness as opposed to the seed forming a human being through conception which symbolizes the form and structure of a just life.

"If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean [Hebrew tameh] until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water and be unclean until the evening."
— Leviticus 15:16-17 English Standard Version

Saint Augustine held that nocturnal emissions, unlike masturbation, did not pollute the conscience of a man, because they were not voluntary carnal acts, and were therefore not to be considered a sin.[13] Augustine did, however, pray that he may be released from the “glue of lust” and thus recommended the beseechment of God’s assistance in clearing one’s soul of all such carnal affections.

Confessions, Book X, Chapter XXX

 

[Caesar517]

Nocturnal emissions huh? hmm… wow considering most people have pretty steamy dreams when they have them. does that mean Unknowingly having sexual thoughts that cause you to release is more appropriate then consciously doing it for medical reasons.

Now it just seems your splitting hairs Caesar517

Since I made the commitment to purify my life, I have never once had a sexual dream. I do, however, have nocturnal emissions. The same is true of many Catholic men I’ve discussed this with.

When something happens “unknowingly”, it’s not a sin. For example, if you accidentally kill an innocent person, you haven’t sinned. If you do it intentionally, you’re in big trouble.