Church teaching on illegal immigration

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The bottom line of Catholic teaching is that the government has the right to limit (restrict to a certain number) illegal immigration when the common good of society requires it…We allow a million immigrants in here legally each year!).The evidence says we have enough, cant afford any more, and the presence of so many hurts the common good.(evidence is clear…read my prior links) The common good is best served by a restrictive policy I think.
Heres a sober thought !!
Over 50% of illegal immigrants havent finished high school…That is preventing our low skilled high schoolers and drop outs from getting jobs…
 
Last night’s Station of the Cross at my local parish was used to indoctrinate us on supporting illegal immigration. After the prayers at each station, the readers added a paragraph on support for illegal immigration and illegal immigrants.

This seemed completely out of place. My wife, who is a legal immigrant, was offended. I have never heard anything like this before during official church prayers. Was this something that occured only in my parish, or did this come down from the Bishops.

I would not expect the Church to preach nationalism, but neither would I expect the Church to advocate the violation of federal immigration law. Those that are here in violation of the law are God’s children, too; and the Church cannot turn them away or turn its back on them. I understand that. But this certainly seemed to go beyond that. I personally do not feel obligated to attend services like this if there will be a blatant political message. Am I wrong?
 
Rusyn0802 said:
Last night’s Station of the Cross at my local parish was used to indoctrinate us on supporting illegal immigration. After the prayers at each station, the readers added a paragraph on support for illegal immigration and illegal immigrants.

This seemed completely out of place. My wife, who is a legal immigrant, was offended. I have never heard anything like this before during official church prayers. Was this something that occured only in my parish, or did this come down from the Bishops.

I would not expect the Church to preach nationalism, but neither would I expect the Church to advocate the violation of federal immigration law. Those that are here in violation of the law are God’s children, too; and the Church cannot turn them away or turn its back on them. I understand that. But this certainly seemed to go beyond that. I personally do not feel obligated to attend services like this if there will be a blatant political message. Am I wrong?
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You could counter attack by having a Mass said Saturday March 6th for the souls of all the Americans who died fighting at the Alamo. And have it said at a Spanish Mass.👍
 
markbrumbaugh said:
The Deacon at St. Clare’s in Clear Lake told us we had to call illegal aliens undocumented citizens and that we needed to pray for immigration reform. Yes it is the Archdiocese of Galveston Houston and I have written a note to Cardinal DiNardo complaining of the activist stance of the USCCB. I hope I get a clarifying response, but I was told by Fr. Dominic Pistore, that all this came directly from the USCCB and the Cardinal’s letter to congress on Health Care Reform was quoted in the sermon and the nice notes I got from Fr. Dominic. I will share with you whatever if anything I get back from the Archdiocese.

Oh, and I give up…I am a racist. That is why I married a Mexican American widow with two little brown boys and made a couple more half and half’s. Does this make you happy now?
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I think that’s just plain wrong and unfair considering that there are numerous legal immigrants (like myself) who basically wait forever (sometimes even in vain) and go through tons of paperwork, fees, interviews, medical checks, etc. to enter the country legally.
I think it would be fair to send them back and have them try again legally. We shouldn’t support the breaking of the law of the land.
 
Rusyn0802 said:
Last night’s Station of the Cross at my local parish was used to indoctrinate us on supporting illegal immigration. After the prayers at each station, the readers added a paragraph on support for illegal immigration and illegal immigrants.

This seemed completely out of place. My wife, who is a legal immigrant, was offended. I have never heard anything like this before during official church prayers. Was this something that occured only in my parish, or did this come down from the Bishops.

I would not expect the Church to preach nationalism, but neither would I expect the Church to advocate the violation of federal immigration law. Those that are here in violation of the law are God’s children, too; and the Church cannot turn them away or turn its back on them. I understand that. But this certainly seemed to go beyond that. I personally do not feel obligated to attend services like this if there will be a blatant political message. Am I wrong?
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You are not wrong; what was done at your parish was and you should not be intimidated into not speaking out against it. This is certainly not something that the bishops (plural) have advocated although it may be the policy of your particular bishop … but I doubt it. Write to him and express your concerns in no uncertain terms. If no one speaks out about this sort of thing then these abuses will continue. They may well continue anyway but that’s no reason not to oppose them.

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It’s quite disturbing to me…Our Bishop sent 4 Msgrs to Mexico recently for 2 months to learn the culture and language…and now we are going to get bilingual masses…part English and part Spanish…and I tell you…Im going to give my money now to a Monastery in Missouri…Im furious and I will attend another parish 's mass now. They are doing what they have no right to do…Id volunteer to TEACH English…how are they going to assimilate by this manner??
I cant wait…in confession…“Press 1 for Spanish” “Press 2 for English”…
 
I have decided to provide my alms and tithing to specific Catholic Charities directly rather than to my diocese. Yesterday we had the illegal immigration indoctrination, and today was the Bishop’s appeal. Bad timing if you ask me. I looked around at mass and only saw a handful fill out the pledge envelope.
 
I know there are plenty of hard working Mexicans who have immigrated. People say they are hard workers. Thats good…so are hard working LEGAL Mexicans,Af-Americans and whites and Asians. If a job is needed in Nevada lets say, there should be a way to seek out AMERICANS natiowide…before hiring an illegal. The govt should help private business hire legals by getting the job advertised nationwide.
…and this shows that Americans WILL do those jobs that illegals take
cis.org/illegalimmigration-employment
 
Rusyn0802 said:
I have decided to provide my alms and tithing to specific Catholic Charities directly rather than to my diocese.
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This is something many have done for quite some time, and it’s an excellent idea. I give to my parish (more than one, actually), and to special causes/needs (discovered by those parishes) that would not get attention otherwise (someone in the parish who needs medication/can’t afford it; a special under-funded need for a battered women’s refuge, for critical supplies for a group that ministers to the dying or to the disabled, etc.). Really, some parishes research carefully the neglected and “invisible” groups that don’t get all the press; it’s really wonderful to hear about these and to help them stay afloat now and then; most of them are way below the radar of Catholic Charities, actually.

And I would never, ever contribute to any larger group (including CC, including Bishop’s Appeal, etc) that had a chance of supporting the “cause” of illegal immigration. (For all the reasons I mentioned earlier, all the dysfunctional and co-dependent ways that such money ultimately contributes to the corrupt political and economic system in Mexico that creates such poverty in the first place, maintains it, and merely sends it north to prey upon those legally here who have few economic alternatives.) Again, I will not be a part of formal cooperation with evil. Aiding in this is not moral or anything resembling “social justice.”

Anyone who finances or provides illegal “sanctuary” for this is helping to maintain the corrupt interdependent status quo between two conspiring governments. It perpetuates way more poverty and injustice than it liberates, and I fail to see how an informed Catholic conscience can rationalize that.
 
d97c said:
I know there are plenty of hard working Mexicans who have immigrated. People say they are hard workers. Thats good…so are hard working LEGAL Mexicans,Af-Americans and whites and Asians. If a job is needed in Nevada lets say, there should be a way to seek out AMERICANS natiowide…before hiring an illegal. The govt should help private business hire legals by getting the job advertised nationwide.
…and this shows that Americans WILL do those jobs that illegals take
cis.org/illegalimmigration-employment
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Americans are being pushed aside:

nclr.org/section/job_creation_priorities11/
 
d97c said:
It’s quite disturbing to me…Our Bishop sent 4 Msgrs to Mexico recently for 2 months to learn the culture and language…and now we are going to get bilingual masses…part English and part Spanish…and I tell you…Im going to give my money now to a Monastery in Missouri…Im furious and I will attend another parish 's mass now. They are doing what they have no right to do…Id volunteer to TEACH English…how are they going to assimilate by this manner??
I cant wait…in confession…“Press 1 for Spanish” “Press 2 for English”…
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So many organizations to help LATINOS ONLY:

nclr.org/section/job_creation_priorities11/

maldef.org/employment/litigation/

lulac.org/advocacy/issues/immigration_bordersummit/

Who will help an American?
 
Renegade…I thought I had seen all the radical, pro-illegal web sites . Those were shocking,. That is THE issue for me in the 2010 election. If hear someone say "we need COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform, " Ill vote against them because that means:
  1. amnesty
  2. continued sneaky border crossing
  3. rewarding illegal behavior from employers who could try harder to get AMERICANS to do the work
  4. more and more state and fed welfare and free education, health care and then other cash and support benefits for illegals.
    Lets try this
  5. Do whatever it takes to shut down the border to illegals…FIRST STEP…It can be done and is the FIRST step or nothing will happen.
  6. Demand employers use a system to check whether the applicant is using a Social Secutiy number that is valid…and have the use results available for audit
  7. Require employers to show HOW they have tried to get AMERICANS to get these jobs.
  8. REQUIRE illegals to show legal status to get any benefits…and if they cant, NO benefits. Without the free stuff, they go back.
  9. For visa folks, who overstay their legal visa, be sure they have a system to FIND them if they overstay, and deport. \
That’s “comprehensive” for ya !!
 
d97c said:
Renegade…I thought I had seen all the radical, pro-illegal web sites . Those were shocking,. That is THE issue for me in the 2010 election. If hear someone say "we need COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform, " Ill vote against them because that means:
  1. amnesty
  2. continued sneaky border crossing
  3. rewarding illegal behavior from employers who could try harder to get AMERICANS to do the work
  4. more and more state and fed welfare and free education, health care and then other cash and support benefits for illegals.
    Lets try this
  5. Do whatever it takes to shut down the border to illegals…FIRST STEP…It can be done and is the FIRST step or nothing will happen.
  6. Demand employers use a system to check whether the applicant is using a Social Secutiy number that is valid…and have the use results available for audit
  7. Require employers to show HOW they have tried to get AMERICANS to get these jobs.
  8. REQUIRE illegals to show legal status to get any benefits…and if they cant, NO benefits. Without the free stuff, they go back.
  9. For visa folks, who overstay their legal visa, be sure they have a system to FIND them if they overstay, and deport. \
That’s “comprehensive” for ya !!
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More laws that LaRazas will laugh at, then do whatever they want. Have you looked at how many Latino gangs are now in this country?
 
CWBetts said:
You do realize that this is NOT a government agency, but simply a lobbying group, right? This does not represent any government initiative.
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Then why is the Department of Labor donating money to them?
 
Renegade said:
Then why is the Department of Labor donating money to them?
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They appealed to the Dept. of Labor, and the Dept. of Labor provided funds, but that does not make them a government agency. After all, Catholic Charities also gets government funding. Does that make Catholic Charities a government agency? All I see on this thread is paranoia.
 
CWBetts said:
All I see on this thread is paranoia.
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And all I see from you is denial about the perpetuation of poverty in Mexico, and its predatory consequences here in this country. Illegal immigration is not even vaguely a solution to this; it is part of the problem. It contributes daily to social injustice in a whole spectrum of ways.
 
CWBetts said:
They appealed to the Dept. of Labor, and the Dept. of Labor provided funds, but that does not make them a government agency. After all, Catholic Charities also gets government funding. Does that make Catholic Charities a government agency? All I see on this thread is paranoia.
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In a time when Americans are losing their jobs and schools are closing because of lack of funding, the Department of Labor gives millions to a group that only looks after Latinos. LaRaza(the master race) is a racist organization out to control the US by overpopulation with Latinos.
 
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