I can’t get to bed.
The teaching of a Common Good and a Right to Immigrate, if put together, is an oxymoron. You can’t square the circle! Joe Freedom is absolutely right!
What is the “Right to immigrate”?
The Right to immigrate nullifies, automatically, national sovereignty!!!
It is a back door way into destroying nations!!!
Common Good is a square; Right to immigrate is a circle. You can’t have a square circle!
The Right to Immigrate is the back door to nullifying national sovereignty!
If you prefer to deal with the issue in a geometrical way I can simplify it for you. And inmigration and all it involves is not a US exclusive.Kevin Appleby seems to be a person that has a inner hate towards this country.“Kevin Appleby, spokesperson and director of migration policy at the USCCB has said the church has a vested interest in expansive immigration policies.”
What is important to remember here is that this is not really a discussion about what our immigration policies ought to be. The debate is about whether the comments of the USCCB on the subject are meaningful. That is, do they represent what the church teaches or are they merely an expression of the political inclinations of a particular group of individuals? Despite how they are presented, they clearly do not represent what the church teaches. They are merely personal opinions about how church doctrine ought to be applied on this topic.We have the obligation to keep our citizens safe, not free from immigrants. Our current immigration policy of allowing only a fraction of the people that immigrant here to do so legally, showing partiality to the skilled and providing little chance for the poor, has not resulted in secure borders. Now there may be some that think sufficient force could secure our borders, but historically that has never happened.
We need to remember that the Catechism is written to be applicable to all countries. If we escape our America-centric mindset, we find that there really is no contradiction. It is hard to see that here because our immigration policy is so broken. We cannot defy God’s command to put the poor first.
Yes, by all means let us be clear. Educate us. If you are complaining that we are ignorant SOB’s then it is up to you to Post the relevant material. Educate us. I would like to know. Did Joe Freedom in the first post get it wrong? Explain it to us.Let’s be clear about this much: church teaching on immigration is not dichotomous and contradictory because what is being presented here as church teaching on the subject…isn’t.
It is often assumed that anything put out by the USCCB represents church teaching, but that assumption is not accurate. Generally what they present is a mixture of doctrine and opinions about what actions should be taken to best address the obligations the doctrines identify. The document referred to in the OP is no exception.Ender–I thought Joe Freedom posted the Church’s teaching in very first post on this thread. So what are you complaining about?
As JF posted, the church teaches both that individuals have a right to migrate and that countries have a right to control their borders. Since neither right is absolute they are not contradictory, even though the application of one can lead to the restriction of the other. This is no different than the application of the (seemingly contradictory) concepts of mercy and justice.If the Church’s teaching is not presented, why don’t you present it?
Well, I can honestly tell you I see the Church at every stage picking up the remains and the wounded and that and those whom society could not care less about,or does not know how to deal with. They do not say it,they do it.Too often I believe that Catholics simply hear utterances and quotes from the Pope or Bishops and take it as “gospel”, so-to-speak. This causes confusion. If the Pope were to offer up suggestions via his opinion for policy, he should state as such in clear voice.
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See the people of this country were concerned for their country and wanted to restrict immigration to the founding groups.Congress had imposed a quota that limited immigration for persons of any nationality to 3 percent of that nationality present in the United States in 1910, with an annual admission limit of 356,000 immigrants. This “national origins” system was structured to discriminate against Eastern and Southern European immigrants such as Italians, Russians, Poles, Slavs and, of course, Yiddish-speaking Jews. The Johnson Act of 1924, which Celler opposed, sought further restriction by cutting the total annual number of immigrants and limiting each nationality to 2 percent of its total number in 1890, virtually eliminating all immigrants other than those from England, France, Ireland and Germany. (Source)
The 1965 Immigration Act was about destroying this country’s homogeneity. It was planned and it was put forward. The charge of “racism” was used to ramrod this thru. When your grandchildren have to hide in their homes because Mexican and Central American drug gangs control this country, then you know who to thank when you get to hell. Hell will be quite a place, then. I don’t know if God built hell big enough for all the people that are going to be put there. It’s going to be standing room only I’m afraid.Born of liberal ideology, the 1965 bill abolished the national origins quota system that had regulated the ethnic composition of immigration in fair proportion to each group’s existing presence in the population. In a misguided application spirit of the civil rights era, the Kennedy and Johnson Administrations saw these ethnic quotas as an archaic form of chauvinism. Moreover, as Cold Warriors facing charges of “racism” and “imperialism,” they found the system rhetorically embarrassing. The record of debate over this seismic change in immigration policy reveals that left-wingers, in their visceral flight to attack “discrimination,” did not reveal the consequences of their convictions. Instead, their spokesmen set out to assuage concerned traditionalists with a litany of lies and wishful thinking. (Source)
There is very little good that comes from the involvement of the clergy in political issues, and one of the main problems stems from this very issue: they don’t make the appropriate distinction between church doctrine and personal opinion about the application of that doctrine.I do also understand, and also get irritated, even though it is our God-given right to exercise free speech and opinion, when clergy and religious offer their opinions and subsequently do not decouple it from church teaching by offering it in conjunction with an explanation that it represents their viewpoint, and not church teaching.
I agree, I have long thought the church has been ‘brown nosing’ or otherwise catering to, the US Govt…they may speak out against certain things, but the Govt knows this is all that will happen, they know majority of churches/ parishioners would never take part in any kind of rebellion. Ive also noticed it seems churches have been a little too chummy with the local govts, when usually these two entities have been at each others throats over just about everything…this makes me suspicious on many different levels. I cant recall any time in history that the church and the govts actually got along and were friends.Drudge Report posts two new stories on the continuing unabated invasion of this country:
39,000 Unaccompanied children crossing the border
This means that approx. 120,000 of their relatives will also be included. Is this righteous? Parents send their kids across alone, across the border, to secure for themselves automatic resettlement in the future. Is that how we conduct immigration policy? Yet the Obama administration encouraged more of this when nothing happened to the hundreds of thousands that came into this country illegally. If there are no consequences, then there is NO rule of law in this country.
3.8 million African immigrants is remaking America
Did anybody ask me if I wanted my country remade? Or is this being forced down my throat? I thought we lived in a democracy? Did we vote on this? No.
America is gone. This is not the America I grew up in. Me and my people that built this country are fast becoming a minority in the country we built! Do I have allegiance to this country anymore when the elites and governing people betray us? Is there a rule of law in this country?
And the Catholic Church encourages this. Who is destroying this country? The Roman Catholic Church. Why? Because it doesn’t fight error, it can’t teach the Truth and it can’t inspire of leadership of the good. The Church actually teaches Political Correctness. Amazing.