Church teaching on people with conditions (down syndrome and other medical issues of that sort)

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I’ve been looking for what the Catholic Church teaching on those with medical conditions are. Can they receive the Eucharist? What is their place in this world? How are we, as Catholics, suppose to treat them and behave around them? And why did God make them this way?

I’m looking for info within the Catechism or the Bible on this. I want hard proof from one of these sources, or from a wise Saint, not “this and that cause I say so.”

-Karl
 
I’ve been looking for what the Catholic Church teaching on those with medical conditions are.
The Church has no separate “teaching” on persons with disabilities. The Church has the same teaching regarding every human person-- we are made in the image and likeness of God.
Can they receive the Eucharist?
Again, no separate teaching. If they can distinguish the Eucharist from ordinary food, yes.
What is their place in this world? How are we, as Catholics, suppose to treat them and behave around them?
Again, no special teaching. We are to treat all people with dignity, respect, and love.
And why did God make them this way?
What makes you believe he did? Disease and defect are a result of Original Sin and the Fall.
 
Someone who is mentally ill is no different than someone who is, say, tall. Just another person, made in the image and likeness of God, beloved by Him, and who we are also called to love.

One of the ways a person can validly receive communion is through a tube. This is often used for last rites of a person who is “brain dead.” So, yes, so can the mentally ill receive communion.

There where saints WITH mental illnesses:

saints.sqpn.com/sainte1a.htm

Their are MANY patron saints of mental illness as well. God’s love is not for the smartest men and women. That is Gnosticism and a heresy.
 
Someone who is mentally ill is no different than someone who is, say, tall. Just another person, made in the image and likeness of God, beloved by Him, and who we are also called to love.

One of the ways a person can validly receive communion is through a tube. This is often used for last rites of a person who is “brain dead.” So, yes, so can the mentally ill receive communion.

There where saints WITH mental illnesses:

saints.sqpn.com/sainte1a.htm

Their are MANY patron saints of mental illness as well. God’s love is not for the smartest men and women. That is Gnosticism and a heresy.
I think the OP is thinking more along the lines of develop mentally disabled, like Down’s Syndrome and other intellectual disabilities, and not so much mental illness (IE bi-polar, schizophrenia, etc etc) which is something different.

Going back to the OP’s question of “why did God make them this way?” I can say from my own experience of being a paraplegic for 40 years, God didn’t make me this way and I know it. It was just nature going fluky the way nature can do.

Nature is fallen and things can get messed up. It shows up in diseases, disabilities and other illness. And it’s not God’s fault. He allows it to happen, but He doesnt cause it.
 
I think the OP is thinking more along the lines of develop mentally disabled, like Down’s Syndrome and other intellectual disabilities, and not so much mental illness (IE bi-polar, schizophrenia, etc etc) which is something different.

Going back to the OP’s question of “why did God make them this way?” I can say from my own experience of being a paraplegic for 40 years, God didn’t make me this way and I know it. It was just nature going fluky the way nature can do.

Nature is fallen and things can get messed up. It shows up in diseases, disabilities and other illness. And it’s not God’s fault. He allows it to happen, but He doesnt cause it.
My original post was along the lines of all disabilities and all manner of illnesses. Can we truly consider them illnesses? Or is this perhaps a natural part of the human design? Where does it exist in the Natural Laws placed by Catholicism?

And where in the Bible or Catechism does it say about anything regarding the disabled?
I understand that Catholic Social Teaching has some part in some of these things. I would like someone to point it out from these sources. And if there’s no source, why not?

-Karl
 
Can we truly consider them illnesses? Or is this perhaps a natural part of the human design?

And where in the Bible or Catechism does it say about anything regarding the disabled?
I understand that Catholic Social Teaching has some part in some of these things. I would like someone to point it out from these sources. And if there’s no source, why not?

-Karl
I can only reflect on my experience.

I dont consider consider my being paralyzed as an illness, but I do consider it unnatural. I know within me it’s unnatural and contrary to the reason I have legs in the first place. Legs were created, by design, to be used for walking. Not to go silent. My arms are a good substitute in getting around, but what I ask of them is unnatural and not what they are designed for. They are merely a substitute. They cant replace the use of my legs

I was born fine. Walked for the early part of my childhood. Nature, as it can, went whacky and a spinal tumor grew. The complications went on from there. Never have I sense that it was part of God’s or even Nature’s design. What I have always sensed was that something in nature went whacky.

As far as what does the Bible or the CCC say about people who happen to have some sort of disability? In the Gospels, what is demonstrated over and over again is that Christ healed (corrected) what was wrong according to the faith of those who approached Him for such.

Beyond that, there is nothing to suggest that people who deal with some form of disability/illness/disease are anything less, or more, than made in the image of God and should be treated with the same respect and dignity as anyone else.
 
Karl—

Here is something a little more authoritative on illnesses and diseases, just recently given by the Pope, which may give you the insight you are looking for.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/gods-love-overcomes-the-misery-of-illness-pope-teaches/

’ While disease is “a sign of the evil in the world and in man,” Christ’s healings show that “the Kingdom of God is near,” and they serve as “a foretaste of his victory obtained by his death and resurrection.” ’
 
As someone who has many illnesses, I honestly see it as a gift from God. If it weren’t for my illnesses and especially my mental illness, I would not be anywhere near as close to God as I am. Now, don’t get me wrong, dealing with chronic pain every day is difficult but I just offer it up to God sort of as a penance or something and let Him do what He wants with my suffering.
 
On a related topic, since the low intelligence of someone with Downs Syndrome is a result of physical abnormalities in the brain, are people with Downs Syndrome smart in the afterlife?

I’ve heard it said by some who subscribe to substance dualism that mental abnormality caused by acquired brain injury does not affect the soul, only the brain’s ability to mediate between soul and body. The analogy used was that of a TV. If you smash your TV’s screen, it can no longer display the picture, but the programme’s signal is the same as it ever was.

So how would this work for someone with a congenital brain defect?
 
the best answer I have ever seen comes from a book of fiction I read many years ago whose title I forget

Christ had returned in human form and was with the Pope at the time, when he revealed who he was the Pope said “when I first met you I asked if you believed and you said no”…Christ answered “I do not believe, I KNOW”

then they called a young child with Down’s Syndrome to him and said “if you truly are Christ, make this child whole again”

and he said “this child is whole, this child has never sinned against heaven nor against me, and shows love in every action, she is perfect in my eyes”
 
I can only reflect on my experience.

I dont consider consider my being paralyzed as an illness, but I do consider it unnatural. I know within me it’s unnatural and contrary to the reason I have legs in the first place. Legs were created, by design, to be used for walking. Not to go silent. My arms are a good substitute in getting around, but what I ask of them is unnatural and not what they are designed for. They are merely a substitute. They cant replace the use of my legs

I was born fine. Walked for the early part of my childhood. Nature, as it can, went whacky and a spinal tumor grew. The complications went on from there. Never have I sense that it was part of God’s or even Nature’s design. What I have always sensed was that something in nature went whacky.

As far as what does the Bible or the CCC say about people who happen to have some sort of disability? In the Gospels, what is demonstrated over and over again is that Christ healed (corrected) what was wrong according to the faith of those who approached Him for such.

Beyond that, there is nothing to suggest that people who deal with some form of disability/illness/disease are anything less, or more, than made in the image of God and should be treated with the same respect and dignity as anyone else.
Karl—

Here is something a little more authoritative on illnesses and diseases, just recently given by the Pope, which may give you the insight you are looking for.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/gods-love-overcomes-the-misery-of-illness-pope-teaches/

’ While disease is “a sign of the evil in the world and in man,” Christ’s healings show that “the Kingdom of God is near,” and they serve as “a foretaste of his victory obtained by his death and resurrection.” ’
Thank you Marie for your powerful, powerful insight. 🙂

I still have a lot to learn.

-Karl
 
I’ve been looking for what the Catholic Church teaching on those with medical conditions are. Can they receive the Eucharist? What is their place in this world? How are we, as Catholics, suppose to treat them and behave around them? And why did God make them this way?

I’m looking for info within the Catechism or the Bible on this. I want hard proof from one of these sources, or from a wise Saint, not “this and that cause I say so.”

-Karl
My son with down syndrome goes to communion. He was ten when he received it the first time. He receives very well. He bows first and then receives very reverently in his hand.

When we thought he was ready we worked with him to be able to receive and to understand what he was doing. He knows he’s receiving Jesus.
 
Thank you Marie for your powerful, powerful insight. 🙂

I still have a lot to learn.

-Karl
Karl, you are welcome.

Yes, there is much to learn indeed. 🙂

I think Holly’s experience well exemplifies how Our Lord can sanctify and bring much good out of suffering and illness. Her experience of how her struggles and sufferings with various illness has brought her closer to God is my experience too.

It is fair for me to say, however, I know people who dont grow closer, but only grow bitter. When we look to Our Lord in our suffering, look to His Cross, we are sanctified. When we dont, it can become a suffering that is only that. Suffering.

Hard to explain, but I expect if one thinks about it, one can grasp.

Death, because of Our Lord’s resurrection, has been sanctified and overcome.
Illnesses too, if we place our trust in Him.

He really is The Way. 🙂
 
I’ve been looking for what the Catholic Church teaching on those with medical conditions are. Can they receive the Eucharist? What is their place in this world? How are we, as Catholics, suppose to treat them and behave around them? And why did God make them this way?

I’m looking for info within the Catechism or the Bible on this. I want hard proof from one of these sources, or from a wise Saint.

-Karl
The Magisterium nor the great teachers of the Church address every conceivable situation and they don’t need to do so. The Catholic Church is Socratic, meaning that it operates out of principles and uses systems to apply those principles. What the individual needs to do is to learn the principles and use the Aristotelian method to apply the principles. There are times when by necessity the Church has to speak on a specific subject, but that is the minority, not the majority of the time. If you examine the CCC and the writings of the teachers of the Church, they have more principles than direct address of any particular issue. So let’s look at some of them.
  1. The first and most important principle Christian morality is the fact that every human being has an inalienable right to live given to him by the Creator. This includes people with a disability, be it developmental or acquired after birth.
  2. The second principle that follows is that everything was created through the Eternal Logos and everything was created for Him. The word everything, includes people with disabilities.
Now we have established two truths.

a. They have an inalienable right to life.

b. They were created through the Eternal Logos and for the Eternal Logos

Revelation does not tell us that they have to have the same abilities as everyone else. That’s not a requirement for the right to life. Obviously, they would not be alive were it not for the Eternal Logos.
  1. Sacred Scripture tells us that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. But where did he dwell? He dwelt among the voiceless
By deduction we can conclude that the voiceless also had a place in God’s redemptive plan. There was never a doubt that the strong and faithful had a place. But the disabled were often excluded. They still are, in many societies. Christ makes his dwelling among them. Most of his miracles involve people with disabilities. People with disabilities play a significant role in Christ’s ministry. “So that you may know that the Son of Man has the power to forgive sins, I say to you, ‘Pick up your bed and walk’.” Through the disabled God reveals his eternal mercy.
  1. Your next question is about the Sacrament of the Eucharist. The principle in Canon Law for the Latin Church is that any baptized Catholic who can distinguish between bread and the Body of Christ is to be admitted to Holy Communion. The Canon Law for the Eastern Churches does not require that the individual be able to recognize the difference between bread and the body of Christ. Therefore, Eastern Catholics receive first Holy Communion with Baptism and Chrismation within the first month of life.
If we apply the principles, let’s see what we get.

a. If the individual is Latin Catholic, he has to distinguish between ordinary bread and the Eucharist. He need not know how to explain it. He just needs to say, "That is Jesus.

b. If the individual is Eastern Catholic, he need not be able to distinguish it at all, because he receives Holy Communion from the time that he’s born and continues to do so for the rest of his life This was instituted by the Apostles.

We simply apply the appropriate principle, depending on whether the person is Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.

Why does go make people with disabilities? Let’s go to the next philosophical principle.
  1. God created nature and gave it laws. Like everything he created, he gave it freedom to evolve. Nature evolves, it does not make choices, since nature is not a person. with a soul and will.
  2. Through the sin of Adam, the balance that God built into the universe was disrupted. There is a ripple effect to sin that even influences nature. At times nature does not follow its laws and an exceptional human being is born. This is a human being with either a disability or a gift that others don’t have. Remember, in the area of exceptiionallities there are two extremes, the person with disabilities and the person with no so common gifts, such as savants.
  3. The Jews asked Jesus if the man with a disability was born that way because of his sin or the sins of his father. Jesus response that the answer was neither. He was born that way that the glory of God may be made known. Here again, Jesus points to the place of the disabled in our world
If we take this principle, that the glory of God is made known through the disabled, along with the wonders of the universe, Jesus raises the dignity of the disabled.

If we observe Jesus interaction with the disabled we will see the next principle. How should we Catholics deal with them.
  1. Jesus forgave them their sins and then healed them. In other words, he was compassionate, merciful, kind and respectful of them. He brought them into the community. They were no longer outcasts.
  2. In Evangelium Vitae, Bl. John Paul reminds us that people with disabilities retain their human dignity. They do not lose the right to belong to the Church and the world community.
This is what Hitler, Stalin, Mao,Margaret Sanger and the Pro Choice movement have believed, because they believe that human dignity can be regulated by men. Human dignity is given to us by the Incarnation. The Father vested his son in human nature, because human dignity was the crown jewel of his creation. Therefore, through the Incarnation, human dignity is restored to its rightful place in the world.
 
The next principle is simple.
  1. In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus prays that “All may be one.” This includes people with different degrees of abilities and disabilities, not just people of different faith. The term he uses is, “all”.
  2. He prays to the Father, “I have loved them.”
  3. He commands us to do as he has done.
If we apply all of these principles to the person with disabilities, we have the answer to the proper Catholic attitude and behavior toward people with disabilities.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br.JR, OSF 🙂
 
Extremely. 👍

I was waiting for someone to say something like this.
This is a real eye-opener.

Thank you brother. 🙂

-Karl
 
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