Churches closed - Holy Mass request

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Jaaanosik:
I showed the reasoning above.
Closing churches is against God’s Natural Law.
Can you show this is not the case?
I’m not going to argue with you over your reasoning, apparently you’re better suited to make decisions for the Church than it’s own hierarchy/leadership.
That is the Church’s teaching. The reasoning truth is self-evident.
The God’s Natural Law taught by the Church is infallible and irreformable.
Cutting us from the Vine, … is it good?
If it culls the spread…
Is physical health above spiritual health?
 
That is the Church’s teaching. The reasoning truth is self-evident.
The God’s Natural Law taught by the Church is infallible and irreformable .
So, in theory, your Bishop(s) are uneducated in the Church’s teachings, and made this decision (which I’m sure was a difficult one), without thoughtful consideration of Church Laws?
Is physical health above spiritual health?
When you can spread this disease (unintendedly) to someone who it can seriously effect or kill (like even your priest)?
 
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Jaaanosik:
That is the Church’s teaching. The reasoning truth is self-evident.
The God’s Natural Law taught by the Church is infallible and irreformable .
So, in theory, your Bishop(s) are uneducated in the Church’s teachings, and made this decision (which I’m sure was a difficult one), without thoughtful consideration of Church Laws?
No, they know what they are doing. The Holy Mass is an obligation according to the Canon law.
The obligation was lifted by them.
Having said that, Jesus gave them obligation to feed His flock, they cut us from the Vine instead.
Disappointing!
Is physical health above spiritual health?
When you can spread this disease (unintendedly) to someone who it can seriously effect or kill (like even your priest)?
You sound like the bishop mentioned above. Spreading fear and blame game.
An exorcist once told me: “The devil works through fear for our physical health.”
I see that now.
What is more important physical health or spiritual health?
 
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No, they know what they are doing. The Holy Mass is an obligation according to the Canon law.
The obligation was lifted by them.
Having said that, Jesus gave them obligation to feed His flock, they cut us from the Vine instead.
Disappointing!
That’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it.
Spreading fear and blame game.
Nope.
What is more important physical health or spiritual health?
They are both important. I can be spiritually healthy, as well as being aware of the physical health of my neighbors.

Again, you’re welcome to your opinion but you’re coming off as making it sound you know better than your hierarchy in this one.
 

They are both important. I can be spiritually healthy, as well as being aware of the physical health of my neighbors.

Again, you’re welcome to your opinion but you’re coming off as making it sound you know better than your hierarchy in this one.
Countless of martyrs prove otherwise.
I lived in a socialist country, people were tortured for their faith.
… and: " 47 “If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,"

I presented Church’s teaching and I explained how God’s Natural Law works.
I’ll leave it with everybody for themselves to see and to think about it.
If what I wrote is wrong, please, anybody who understands and sees a flaw, say so.
 
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Our faith is not dependent on the churches being open for Mass.
Our faith is fundamentally dependent on church being open for mass and administering the blessed sacrament to the faithful. We are a sacramental faith; our very God is bodily present the Holy Eucharist, which is the source and summit of the Christian faith.
 
I presented Church’s teaching and I explained how God’s Natural Law works.
So, you’re actively saying, that the bishops in your diocese are actively making decisions against God’s law…are theoretically “illegal” in your mind and are just “getting away with it”. Interesting…

Maybe @acanonlawyer can help you. He would be the one to ask your question to directly.
 
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I’ll repeat from the above… you are free to make your own conclusions.

No, they know what they are doing. The Holy Mass is an obligation according to the Canon law.
The obligation was lifted by them.
Having said that, Jesus gave them obligation to feed His flock, they cut us from the Vine instead.
 
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I’ll repeat from the above… you are free to make your own conclusions.
I am, an have.
Having said that, Jesus gave them obligation to feed His flock, they cut us from the Vine instead.
That’s your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

again, on the legality, this board (for the two weeks it has left) has cannon lawyers (I’ve even tagged one for you a couple of times). I would direct your question to them.
 
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Jaaanosik:
I’ll repeat from the above… you are free to make your own conclusions.
I am, an have.
Having said that, Jesus gave them obligation to feed His flock, they cut us from the Vine instead.
That’s your opinion, and you are welcome to it.

again, on the legality, this board (for the two weeks it has left) has cannon lawyers (I’ve even tagged one for you a couple of times). I would direct your question to them.
15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.”
 
You’re starting to move the goalposts. You asked about legality and I tagged a cannon lawyer for you.
 
You’re starting to move the goalposts. You asked about legality and I tagged a cannon lawyer for you.
I did, I got my answer.
The Holy Mass is an obligation in the Canon law. That’s it we cannot do anything about it.
The obligation was lifted by bishops, they can do so.
They cut us from the Vine. God, please, have mercy on us all.
 
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paperwight:
Our faith is not dependent on the churches being open for Mass.
Our faith is fundamentally dependent on church being open for mass and administering the blessed sacrament to the faithful. We are a sacramental faith; our very God is bodily present the Holy Eucharist, which is the source and summit of the Christian faith.
Actually our sacramental faith also relies on the sacrament of Holy Orders, including pastor, and bishop, who is a successors to the apostles.

There’s this Consumerist movement that has found its way into the Church. One local proabortion politician complained to the media that his family has belonged to this parish for three generations, so he has “full rights” as a parishioner.

People regard pastor and bishop as functionaries whose job is to make sure I get all the stuff I’m entitled to. (“Is everyone having a good time?”)

But one way we are recipients of the sacrament of Holy Orders is when we receive guidance we don’t want to hear, in Confession or in other ways.

When pastors and bishops fail to exercise any authority, when they are rubber stamps for popular demand and the media, the Laity are sacramentally shortchanged.

Bishops sometimes have to urge their flocks to defy secular authority, sometimes not, sometimes make unpopular decisions for health reasons…but I leave it up to their sacramental judgement to determine that in a given case.

The evangelical view is that every layman is same as a bishop, this may be where the Consumerist view of sacraments come from.
 
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None if this denies or meaningfully contradicts the notion that the Eucharist essential to the faith, because it is Christ himself.
 
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Canon 212 in the RC Code of Canon Law. The faithful have the right to make known their needs to the hierarchy (paraphrasing here).
Yes but it doesn’t mean the parishioners have the right to get the priest to open the Church and celebrate Mass. It just means they have the right to be heard.
 
The tendency now is to redefine the priest and bishop as ‘sacramental ministers’, whose sole sacramental role is providing sacraments. The fact that the bishops have the function of ,teaching, sanctifying, and ruling as part of holy Orders has been omitted from many religious ed program.
 
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