Church's view on same sex adoption?

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FWIW, if you take a course of action that can have consequences, and you don’t address those consequences, you run the risk of damaging the faith and chasing others away from it. The situation I am referring to is not anecdotal. In the U.S., there is not problem with the adoption of “white” children, unless there are extenuating circumstances. On the other hand, there are plenty or minority, disabled, etc. children available. If you take a position that certain people that want to give these children home cannot give them homes, resulting in them staying in their current miserable position, then you had better have an alternate solution that will put them in a stable home. If you don’t, your actions will result in a child suffering, and you will be simply ignored and ridiculed.
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
Now given this, just imagine what those children, often minority or disabled, who never have any parents, and are bounced between foster homes and orphanages, some of whom are sexually, physically, and verbally abused, turn out. Apparently keeping them in this situation is far better then putting them in a stable, but less than ideal situation. I’m sure even with all that neglect and abuse, they’ll turn out just fine…
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So what is your solution? because people fail to meet the standards in order to raise children we should lower them? I wonder how you would feel in the childs shoes with people advocating putting you in what you describe as “less than ideal circumstances.”

So I guess what you are advocating is that, for example the first 5 kids can have a mother and father, however the rest will have to make do with less than ideal circumstances because the demand isn’t meeting the supply, I mean hey it’s better than nothing right. I wonder how you would feel being the “unlucky” kids who must make do with what you say “less than ideal circumstances.”

Sexual, physical or verbal abuse is absolutly wrong and there should be systems in place to stop such a thing from happening in orphanages, why don’t people put measures in place to fix such problems in the adoption system? you really think lowering the standards in which to adopt out children will fix such a problem?

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
Actually, I did not, you did that. I was addressing a specific point you made.

And you subsequently shot your own argument out the window by stating that that it isn’t always the case have to “believe in Him.”
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I am not arguing anything. I am asking you to understand and see your point of view. Let me make it simple. The teaching of the Catechism on Homosexuality is as follows:
Chastity and homosexuality
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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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Do you accept this as true? A simple yes or no.

Do you believe that the Church has authoritatively taught based on Scripture and Tradition…
Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
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Under no circumstances can anyone approve of Homosexual acts…do you accept and believe this?
 
The entire argument being used is false. That is the way it always gets set up. Either accept “gay” adoption or else the worst thing in the world happens.

That says two things. It says some do not see “gay” parents as the moral violence it really is and it says the current system is so bad the only solution is “gay” adoption. It is a stacked deck.
 
fix said:
The entire argument being used is false. That is the way it always gets set up. Either accept “gay” adoption or else the worst thing in the world happens.

That says two things. It says some do not see “gay” parents as the moral violence it really is and it says the current system is so bad the only solution is “gay” adoption. It is a stacked deck.
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are you suggesting an agenda?
 
CopticChristian said:
are you suggesting an agenda?
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Agenda? Never, it is simply the natural progression of moral relativism and utilitarianism.
The agenda would mean people come here and defend immoral issues and claim a false compassion. I never see that.
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
Maybe if the people in this thread would stop talking about what not to do with abandoned children and leaving them in harmful situations, and do something about it, we wouldn’t need to have this discussion in the first place.

But speaking in platitudes and turning our heads, rather than taking action, is always the easier path.
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I think some good Church-run orphanages would be the best solution. Foster care obviously is a sham. Most people get into that racket for the money, and there have been many abuse cases as a result.

What makes you think homosexuals make such wonderful parent substitutes?🤷
 
fix said:
Agenda? Never, it is simply the natural progression of moral relativism and utilitarianism.
The agenda would mean people come here and defend immoral issues and claim a false compassion. I never see that.
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Wow, Thank you. I could not imagine someone coming to this thread, defending an immoral issue and claim some sort of compassion. I trust your ability to sort that out. Since you have never seen it, I shall not look for it.🙂
 
CopticChristian said:
Wow, Thank you. I could not imagine someone coming to this thread, defending an immoral issue and claim some sort of compassion. I trust your ability to sort that out. Since you have never seen it, I shall not look for it.🙂
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The funny thing is that I read here people claiming there is an obsession with this issue implying Catholics are over reacting. If anyone just checks the responses they will see an unending agenda that seeks to minimize the constant assault on the culture. Of course if one is invested in unnatural activity then one sees such things as “rights”.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
I think some good Church-run orphanages would be the best solution. Foster care obviously is a sham. Most people get into that racket for the money, and there have been many abuse cases as a result.

What makes you think homosexuals make such wonderful parent substitutes?🤷
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WarriorMonk has left the building…
 
josh987654321 said:
So what is your solution? because people fail to meet the standards in order to raise children we should lower them? I wonder how you would feel in the childs shoes with people advocating putting you in what you describe as “less than ideal circumstances.”
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The children would be grateful. Do you really think that they like being bounced around, not knowing where they are going to sleep the next night? And that’s without considered of abuse that are suffered by many. If you want to get a good idea of what happens to the development of such children, read about the issues coming from Russia.

Do you consider “Hopeless” better than “Less the ideal.” Because that’s the situation with a great number of children, typically minority and disabled.
Sexual, physical or verbal abuse is absolutly wrong and there should be systems in place to stop such a thing from happening in orphanages, why don’t people put measures in place to fix such problems in the adoption system? you really think lowering the standards in which to adopt out children will fix such a problem?
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I’m simply discussing reality. The laws regarding these matters have been in place for a long time. Bad things are going to happen. The best thing to do is put these children in a stable home, not leave them in a very bad spot.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
What makes you think homosexuals make such wonderful parent substitutes?🤷
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You do realize that I never stated homosexuals make such wonderful parent substitutes, correct? Please read more carefully. Reading comprehension skills are woefully lacking in this thread, though assumptions run rampant.
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
You do realize that I never stated homosexuals make such wonderful parent substitutes, correct? Please read more carefully. Reading comprehension skills are woefully lacking in this thread, though assumptions run rampant.
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Ah, but you cherry picked my reply too.

I agree that children who get bounced from foster home to foster home are pathetic. That is a TERRIBLE system and it needs to end. However a well-run orphanage could be workable. Granted, adoption would be the ultimate goal for them, but in the meantime they could have a stable, loving environment.

Children up for adoption should be assured of a stable, two-parent (mother/father) family.
 
josh987654321 said:
I wholeheartedly agree with Mark121359.

He is not saying or implying at all that the homosexual condition is evil. He is saying that the sexual acts of homosexuality are intrinsically evil and thus why it is wrong to place children with a homosexual couple. A chaste homosexual is no different to a single parent and therefore would be treated as such when it comes to these issues.
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FWIW, according to the line of thinking present in this thread, I should have not adopted. That’s because I also was not chaste. At the time of all of my daughter’s adoptions, I was a divorced and remarried non-practicing Catholic, thus not worthy to take in abandoned children. Of course, if you asked my daughters what they thought of this unchaste situation they were living in, they’d look at you like you had three heads.

Not only that, many divorced and remarried people, Christian, non-Christian, and atheist alike, also adopt. Can I assume that you would also like to enact laws to keep these people from adopting also?
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Ah, but you cherry picked my reply too.

I agree that children who get bounced from foster home to foster home are pathetic. That is a TERRIBLE system and it needs to end. However a well-run orphanage could be workable. Granted, adoption would be the ultimate goal for them, but in the meantime they could have a stable, loving environment.
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My brother actually dated someone from a well-run orphanage. All I will say is OMG!
 
TheWarriorMonk said:
FWIW, according to the line of thinking present in this thread, I should have not adopted. That’s because I also was not chaste. At the time of all of my daughter’s adoptions, I was a divorced and remarried non-practicing Catholic, thus not worthy to take in abandoned children. Of course, if you asked my daughters what they thought of this unchaste situation they were living in, they’d look at you like you had three heads.

Not only that, many divorced and remarried people, Christian, non-Christian, and atheist alike, also adopt. Can I assume that you would also like to enact laws to keep these people from adopting also?
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Stick with Homosexuality…do you agree with the section on the Catechism that was posted that you failed to respond to…as you take a break from work…
 
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