Church's view on same sex adoption?

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Again I see the false choice. Why is the choice super bad evil conditions or “gay” adoption?

It is a false choice. First there should not exist “gay” adoption at all. That is fundamentally wrong on many levels. Children deserve better. If you say conditions are not satisfactory for orphans or others then the answer is to correct that problem not usher in some new bizarre relationships and claim that a solution.

The answer to your question is that your question serves no real purpose. The moral law does not stop existing based on who adopts and who does not adopt.
I hate to tell you but that super bad evil is out there more than you obviously know. I am not talking about the well off teenager who gets pregnant and can select who adopts her baby. I am talking about the thousands and thousands of neglected and abuse children in this world. You make it sound like that is some kind of legend.

Again no answer.
 
I have noticed that you have swallowed the Essentialism=Born that Way pill and concerning the pill, your opinion has been if you take the pill and know it is contrary there is no need to repent and confess it.

While accepting the Church in part, it is not accept this, and that but only this and that…it is to understand that choice is to do the Will of God in all things as we journey…

What difference does it make if someone has or has not adopted children…?

Why not ask, for those on this thread, how many of you have experienced the loving Sodomy between two male homosexuals wanting to adopt children?
I didn’t say anything about them being born that way, not even close, please don’t not write what I did NOT say. I did not say anything about them needing no repent or not either. I will no longer respond to you as you seem to make up what other people have posted.
 
I hate to tell you but that super bad evil is out there more than you obviously know. I am not talking about the well off teenager who gets pregnant and can select who adopts her baby. I am talking about the thousands and thousands of neglected and abuse children in this world. You make it sound like that is some kind of legend.

Again no answer.
There are all kinds of physical evils in this world, especially in other countries. The answer is not homosexuality.
 
There are all kinds of physical evils in this world, especially in other countries. The answer is not homosexuality.
Of course it is not THE answer, but what are some of your solutions. There are millions of people in this world who are heterosexual and have no business having children, but that seems to be OK.
 
Of course it is not THE answer, but what are some of your solutions. There are millions of people in this world who are heterosexual and have no business having children, but that seems to be OK.
Heterosexuality is normal. That deviations exist does not take away the truth of the matter. We seek to not place kids with deviant behavior for several reasons. Homosexuality is deviant behavior.

As for solutions as I have said many times here there may be many but so what? The point is homosexual adoption is not a solution. That is what this thread is about. It is not about solving a particular problem which may vary from circumstance to circumstance. What we do know is that certain proposed solutions are wrong. That is what some here refuse to grasp. There are solutions out of bounds.
 
I didn’t say anything about them being born that way, not even close, please don’t not write what I did NOT say. I did not say anything about them needing no repent or not either. I will no longer respond to you as you seem to make up what other people have posted.
Shelby,

These are your words…
Homosexuality has been around for centuries, often cited back to the Roman Ages. Then as now it seemed more social accepted, so more people experimented, much has we see today; however, there are just to be many things that point to the fact that many homosexuals are born the way they are. There are always going to be a small amount that choose the lifestyle, like people do drugs, to fit in or escape, but the vast majority are born that way.
So do we learn to be straight, since people here claim that homosexuality is learned? If so, are parents failing at teaching their children to not be homosexuals?
Born that way=Essentialism and to say parents are failing to teach their children implies that they are born that way…

Do you believe that Homosexuals are born that way=Essentialism?

or

Do you understand that there is no evidence to prove this notion?
 
Of course it is not THE answer, but what are some of your solutions. There are millions of people in this world who are heterosexual and have no business having children, but that seems to be OK.
You have this backwards. It is not about parents. It is about children.

There are millions of children in this world, that do not choose to be in the care of some parents, and well meaning adults reason that rather than the best interest of the child, look for the best interest of the parent.

Homosexuals are loving people and would make wonderful parents for children that are abandoned…and if a child knowingly could choose not to would an adult act in the best interest of a child or an adult…

and that is why adults act in the best interest of the child…because sometimes children do not know what their best interest is.
 
That’s right…leave the child abandoned.
Now go to your local politician and demand that abandoned children must remain abandoned, lest a gay person get a hold of it. Tell me how that works out, and how you’ve promoted your faith by doing so. After all, this is CAF, and you are promoting the faith
First off, I haven’t heard one poster on here who defends the Church’s position advocate abandoning children. Secondly, those who are critical of gay adoption truly are promoting their faith, but somehow you’re blind to that fact! 🤷 The fact of the matter is this, those here on CAF who are dead set against gay adoption can rest assured that it is they who are promoting authentic Catholic Church teaching on this matter…and that’s a fact that cannot be disputed!

Peace, Mark
 
First off, I haven’t heard one poster on here who defends the Church’s position advocate abandoning children. Secondly, those who are critical of gay adoption truly are promoting their faith, but somehow you’re blind to that fact! 🤷 The fact of the matter is this, those here on CAF who are dead set against gay adoption can rest assured that it is they who are promoting authentic Catholic Church teaching on this matter…and that’s a fact that cannot be disputed!

Peace, Mark
Mark,

There is a delusion…it is driven by Polls…

it is driven by the belief that changing the mind of any one Catholic will then cause some change to occur within the Church…and the realilty is that this delusion escapes reality…

The reality is that one monk nailed opposition to the OHCAC years ago and many joined him and attempted to topple, destroy, the Church that Christ built…and what happened…?

Well the dissenters without leadership divided and divided among themselves…leaving progeny that to this day believe that the Catholic Church has errored…and the Church…

The Same Yesterday, today and shall be the same Tomorrow…

The delusion will remain as the progeny transmit this delusion in time believing that changing one person’s opinion may cause the impossible task of what was attempted 500 years ago…
 
Mark,

There is a delusion…it is driven by Polls…

it is driven by the belief that changing the mind of any one Catholic will then cause some change to occur within the Church…and the realilty is that this delusion escapes reality…

The reality is that one monk nailed opposition to the OHCAC years ago and many joined him and attempted to topple, destroy, the Church that Christ built…and what happened…?

Well the dissenters without leadership divided and divided among themselves…leaving progeny that to this day believe that the Catholic Church has errored…and the Church…

The Same Yesterday, today and shall be the same Tomorrow…

The delusion will remain as the progeny transmit this delusion in time believing that changing one person’s opinion may cause the impossible task of what was attempted 500 years ago…
Hey Coptic look at this, polls show 54 percent of Catholics support so-called same-sex marriage, while only 47 percent of all registered voters are supportive of it. Geesh, more Catholics support it than non- Catholics…Amazing! And among Catholics who are registered to vote and who attend services weekly, 36 percent support so-called same-sex marriage. That is absolutely appalling! My goodness, if this keeps up we’ll be in the minority…if we aren’t already! Boy, it looks like we’re in need of better Catholic Catechists…to say the least! 😦

Peace, Mark
 
Shelby,

These are your words…

Born that way=Essentialism and to say parents are failing to teach their children implies that they are born that way…

Do you believe that Homosexuals are born that way=Essentialism?

or

Do you understand that there is no evidence to prove this notion?
If you are going to respond using a previous quote from another thread you might want to state that so everyone has some understanding.

There is no evidence either way. Homosexuality is not new and again if it is learned, why are there many homosexuals coming from devoted christian homes with heterosexual parents? It seems like the type of parents you want these children to have, many are themselves raising homosexual children. In fact most of the homosexuals I know that are 30 year old or older came from heterosexual two parent homes going to church every Sunday, Holy Days, doing novenas, praying the Rosary, etc. I can only imagine that someday they will find a biological link to homosexuality because I cannot believe anyone would choose to be as persecuted as they have been in the past. As of right now there is no proof.

As for adults knowing better, if that were true these children would be in the situations there in would they.🤷
 
Now go to your local politician and demand that abandoned children must remain abandoned, lest a gay person get a hold of it. Tell me how that works out, and how you’ve promoted your faith by doing so. After all, this is CAF, and you are promoting the faith…
You think just because something can be done it ought to be done? This is the basis of the entire problem. We are viewing this in strictly secular terms and using end points that are driven only by our faulty emotions.
 
If you are going to respond using a previous quote from another thread you might want to state that so everyone has some understanding.

There is no evidence either way. Homosexuality is not new and again if it is learned, why are there many homosexuals coming from devoted christian homes with heterosexual parents? It seems like the type of parents you want these children to have, many are themselves raising homosexual children. In fact most of the homosexuals I know that are 30 year old or older came from heterosexual two parent homes going to church every Sunday, Holy Days, doing novenas, praying the Rosary, etc. I can only imagine that someday they will find a biological link to homosexuality because I cannot believe anyone would choose to be as persecuted as they have been in the past. As of right now there is no proof.

As for adults knowing better, if that were true these children would be in the situations there in would they.🤷
It is not about homosexuals raising children to be homosexual, although there may be some merit to that argument. It is that children have a right to a mother and father. That is a natural issue and a moral issue. This novel idea that two same sex persons posing as a mother and father is in some way licit and healthy is a complete fabrication. It is contrived from politics and ideology.
 
It is not about homosexuals raising children to be homosexual, although there may be some merit to that argument. It is that children have a right to a mother and father. That is a natural issue and a moral issue. This novel idea that two same sex persons posing as a mother and father is in some way licit and healthy is a complete fabrication. It is contrived from politics and ideology.
I absolutely agree that every child has the right to have a mother and father; however, that is just not reality for many children. My son has three friends that by the age of 8 they had all lost a parent to illness and they are now being raised in a single parent home. Yes every child has the right to a mother and a father, but what a child NEEDS is a family, not a foster home, but a family, whether it is made up of a single parent and extended family, two Aunts, a grandmother, etc. A child need to be around people who will love and be there for them throughout their lives. A foster home doesn’t give that to them.

It is these lost children that start experimenting with drugs, sex, crime to try to fit in somewhere and be with people that want them. I just see that as so much worse.
 
Nonsense. Same sex couples can and do raise wonderful, well-balanced children.
If this is your view-then your “Godless monster” handle is very appropriate.

Let me put this in terms that even you can understand: this is a Satanic attack on the child’s moral, ethical and religious upbringing. It is an act of violence to and an insidious subversion of the model of the family given to us in Jerusalem.

It preys on the innocence of any child that is thrown into this situation. They are truly innocent victims-unaware of the evil that is being perpetrated against them.

Lucifer is truly your father for he is the father of lies and liars and traitors and murderers…the list goes on and on.

To “Godless monster” you can add “demonic colaborator”
 
If you are going to respond using a previous quote from another thread you might want to state that so everyone has some understanding.

As for adults knowing better, if that were true these children would be in the situations there in would they.🤷
There is no evidence either way. Homosexuality is not new and again if it is learned, why are there many homosexuals coming from devoted christian homes with heterosexual parents? It seems like the type of parents you want these children to have, many are themselves raising homosexual children. In fact most of the homosexuals I know that are 30 year old or older came from heterosexual two parent homes going to church every Sunday, Holy Days, doing novenas, praying the Rosary, etc. I can only imagine that someday they will find a biological link to homosexuality because I cannot believe anyone would choose to be as persecuted as they have been in the past. As of right now there is no proof.
Why are there so many homosexuals?

The answer to that question is overshadowed by fact that they represent 1-2% of the population. Do they exist? Yes.

What we can imagine does not equate to reality.

I imagine that the day that a link for homosexuality is identified, we will have progressed to the point that there is in vitro testing to find that link and there will be some that will destroy that child before it is born. I imagine that there is no controlling what people will and can do.

Essentialism=Born That way=unproveable and is fantasy not based on what anyone person sees in their immediate world.
 
I absolutely agree that every child has the right to have a mother and father; however, that is just not reality for many children. My son has three friends that by the age of 8 they had all lost a parent to illness and they are now being raised in a single parent home.
A single parent home is not equivalent to same sex persons acting like mother and father. One is licit and one is illicit.
Yes every child has the right to a mother and a father, but what a child NEEDS is a family, not a foster home, but a family, whether it is made up of a single parent and extended family, two Aunts, a grandmother, etc. A child need to be around people who will love and be there for them throughout their lives. A foster home doesn’t give that to them.
But, those examples are not immoral or pathologic.
It is these lost children that start experimenting with drugs, sex, crime to try to fit in somewhere and be with people that want them. I just see that as so much worse.
Can you not see the difference between an extend family raising a child and two men acting like a mom and dad? The dynamic and emotional and psychological factors are very different.
 
I absolutely agree that every child has the right to have a mother and father; however, that is just not reality for many children. My son has three friends that by the age of 8 they had all lost a parent to illness and they are now being raised in a single parent home. Yes every child has the right to a mother and a father, but what a child NEEDS is a family, not a foster home, but a family, whether it is made up of a single parent and extended family, two Aunts, a grandmother, etc. A child need to be around people who will love and be there for them throughout their lives. A foster home doesn’t give that to them.
It is these lost children that start experimenting with drugs, sex, crime to try to fit in somewhere and be with people that want them. I just see that as so much worse.
Ok,

Since we are speaking of morality and this is CAF…what is your position on

Abortion? Is it always wrong?

Birth Control Pill? Is it always wrong and if someone admits having used the pill would you expect them to say…

I used the pill, I know the Church teaches it to be wrong, understanding that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth…I have repented and have confessed past use?

or

I used the pill, I know the Church teaches it to be wrong, I have no intention of confessing this as I made my decision in good concsience and don’t feel I have to confess it as I am sure there are many Catholic women that used the pill

Which would you say is the appropriate response for

Abortion and Artificial Birth Control?
 
What if a Father and son in an incestuous relationship desired to adopt an “unwanted” child? They had a good income and very nice home. They could provide food and shelter. They would love and not abuse the child. Is such a situation acceptable? Is it better than foster care?
 
What if a Father and son in an incestuous relationship desired to adopt an “unwanted” child? They had a good income and very nice home. They could provide food and shelter. They would love and not abuse the child. Is such a situation acceptable? Is it better than foster care?
I think the Father in this situation is already abusing his own son and should be imprisoned.
 
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