Church's view on same sex adoption?

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edwest2 said:
“As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.”
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This is why we cannot have good things in life.
 
CopticChristian said:
Explain why we cannot have good things in life.

What are the good things in life?

How do we get good things in life?
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The answer to the first one, is that people being discriminatory in the name of religion is one of the major reasons why we cannot have good things in life.

The answers to the last 2 are subjective.
 
SwimmerGirl42 said:
The answer to the first one, is that people being discriminatory in the name of religion is one of the major reasons why we cannot have good things in life.

The answers to the last 2 are subjective.
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So, correct me if I am wrong…

We can’t have good things in life because people are being discriminatory in the name of religion and that is a major reasong that we cannot have good things in life.

Is this correct? If not, correctly state what it is you mean.
 
That is one of the major reasons why.

And it’s not just the Catholic\Christian faith. Mostly the ‘big three’(Judaism, Christianity, Islam) because they are the most prominent. (No I am not one of those who believes that all religion is bad just look at what I believe) Another example in the ‘Religion’ category of ‘Why We Cannot Have Nice Things’ is that over there in the middle east girls can not go to school.
 
fix said:
Apparently that does not matter. What appears to matter is physical comfort and emotional support. Any other factors carry almost no weight.
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So it is OK fro you to be so extreme? Now I get it. When some one doesn’t agree with you %100 you take and run to the farthest evil there is, really.
 
CopticChristian said:
Ok,

Since we are speaking of morality and this is CAF…what is your position on

Abortion? Is it always wrong?

Birth Control Pill? Is it always wrong and if someone admits having used the pill would you expect them to say…

I used the pill, I know the Church teaches it to be wrong, understanding that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth…I have repented and have confessed past use?

or

I used the pill, I know the Church teaches it to be wrong, I have no intention of confessing this as I made my decision in good concsience and don’t feel I have to confess it as I am sure there are many Catholic women that used the pill

Which would you say is the appropriate response for

Abortion and Artificial Birth Control?
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Hopefully whomever is monitoring this thread sees you are going way off topic and what you are doing and I will not be lured in. I am out of this one, continue on.
 
shelby_sun said:
So it is OK fro you to be so extreme? Now I get it. When some one doesn’t agree with you %100 you take and run to the farthest evil there is, really.
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Why is it extreme? Two men acting like husband and wife is not extreme? See this is my point. We have gotten to a place where absurdity is no longer absurd.
 
Mark121359 said:
Hey Coptic look at this, polls show 54 percent of Catholics support so-called same-sex marriage, while only 47 percent of all registered voters are supportive of it. Geesh, more Catholics support it than non- Catholics…Amazing! And among Catholics who are registered to vote and who attend services weekly, 36 percent support so-called same-sex marriage. That is absolutely appalling! My goodness, if this keeps up we’ll be in the minority…if we aren’t already! Boy, it looks like we’re in need of better Catholic Catechists…to say the least! 😦

Peace, Mark
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Please keep fighting the good fight. I’m right there with you!
 
shelby_sun said:
Hopefully whomever is monitoring this thread sees you are going way off topic and what you are doing and I will not be lured in. I am out of this one, continue on.
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We are created
We live
We die

The Church is concerned about life from birth to death.

Abortion/Artificial Birth Control----------Birth------Adoption-------Euthanasia

are on a continuum from start to finish…and while this thread is about same sex adoption it is within the purvue of morality to ask what other issues concerning morality from creation to death any person holds as true and to be accepted…

I accept Abortion
I approve of ABC
I believe that homosexual adoption is OK
I oppose Euthanasia

Would register as cafeteria morality…

I would never abort
I believe that if someone uses ABC and I have it is OK
I believe that children need homes so homosexual Adoption is Ok
I oppose Euthanasia

Would also register as cafeteria moralty…

I oppose Abortion
I oppose use of ABC
I oppose homosexual adoption
I oppose Euthanasia

Would register as consistent in the continuum as to what it is the Church teaches in that continuum and suggests a well formed conscience…

This is where this is going…🙂
 
CopticChristian said:
We are created
We live
We die

The Church is concerned about life from birth to death.

Abortion/Artificial Birth Control----------Birth------Adoption-------Euthanasia

are on a continuum from start to finish…and while this thread is about same sex adoption it is within the purvue of morality to ask what other issues concerning morality from creation to death any person holds as true and to be accepted…

I accept Abortion
I approve of ABC
I believe that homosexual adoption is OK
I oppose Euthanasia

Would register as cafeteria morality…

I would never abort
I believe that if someone uses ABC and I have it is OK
I believe that children need homes so homosexual Adoption is Ok
I oppose Euthanasia

Would also register as cafeteria moralty…

I oppose Abortion
I oppose use of ABC
I oppose homosexual adoption
I oppose Euthanasia

Would register as consistent in the continuum as to what it is the Church teaches in that continuum and suggests a well formed conscience…

This is where this is going…🙂
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No, that is where you are going. The topic on this thread is same sex adoptions. If you want to cover all those other things or cafeteria morality, start another thread.👍
 
shelby_sun said:
No, that is where you are going. The topic on this thread is same sex adoptions. If you want to cover all those other things or cafeteria morality, start another thread.👍
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So,

is it your belief that the Church does not teach Morality? Same sex adoption is a moral issue. Is it your belief that the Church has not taught Morality as it concerns life, death and life in progress?
 
shelby_sun said:
No, that is where you are going. The topic on this thread is same sex adoptions. If you want to cover all those other things or cafeteria morality, start another thread.👍
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Don’t sweat it dear…if you disagree on any point of this topic, out comes the abortion and contraceptive wham bam…questions under the light with a rubber hose…

which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.:rolleyes:

The Church is clear, no same sex adoption. Case closed, move on, there is nothing to see here.

Now the US state/fed gov may have a different point of view which does not coincide in the slightest with Catholic doctrine. And it should not. The separation of Church and State is the best thing since sliced bread.

Be calm…and carry on.😃
 
Julianna said:
Don’t sweat it dear…if you disagree on any point of this topic, out comes the abortion and contraceptive wham bam…questions under the light with a rubber hose…

which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.:rolleyes:

The Church is clear, no same sex adoption. Case closed, move on, there is nothing to see here.

Now the US state/fed gov may have a different point of view which does not coincide in the slightest with Catholic doctrine. And it should not. The separation of Church and State is the best thing since sliced bread.

Be calm…and carry on.😃
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Catholics reject unjust laws. You know that truth thing.
 
shelby_sun said:
I know this is a very difficult subject, but I cannot imagine being a child knowing no one in the whole world wants me. How likely is it that a child like that would put any faith in God. The biggest sin in this world is the neglect and abuse of children and if the only people who are willing to adopt these children are homosexual couples, than they are a blessing to those children.

Most homosexual couples don;t go around promoting their sexuality any more than heterosexual married couples. No one really knows for sure if any homosexual couple is practicing chastity or not, just like most don’t know when someone is cheating on their spouse or that a couple is not having sex anymore.

I have asked this question quite a bit on this site, but no one seems to respond, of all those so against homosexuals adopting children, who has adopted children themselves?
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Again, you don’t right an unfortunate situation with a worse, intrinsically evil one. And using such extreme scenarios is a tactic of those who wish to promote a bad agenda. Much like arguing for abortion because of rape and incest, or because a child may grow up in poverty.

How many Saints were raised as orphans? Many of them.

You obviously don’t see raising children in a homosexual household as a problem. But that is neither here nor there.

I am amazed at how many pages these topics get where the Church has been abundantly clear for us. She does not ask us to form an opinion on the matter. it has been decided by Christ.

Now if you choose to believe otherwise, so be it, but you are arguing against God Himself, and note than any other believe of the Church that you endorse is automatically called into question because if we can question the Church on a matter “we just don’t get,” we can question her on everything we actually do hold dear.

There really isn’t anything to debate, as Christ neithers needs nor desires our thoughts on His teachings.
 
fix said:
Catholics reject unjust laws. You know that truth thing.
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fix, it’s a mystery that some do not see the inconsistency of stating a Catholic view on one hand, and agreeing at the same time with a diametrically opposed position, on the other. As if being Catholic can be compartmentalized, lived only within one’s home and in Church during Mass attendance, setting the faith aside upon stepping out, taking the side of or witnessing on behalf of those with anti-Catholic stance. The rule of relativism is insidious, as our Pope Emeritus cautioned.
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HappyCatholic01 said:
Again, you don’t right an unfortunate situation with a worse, intrinsically evil one. And using such extreme scenarios is a tactic of those who wish to promote a bad agenda. Much like arguing for abortion because of rape and incest, or because a child may grow up in poverty.

How many Saints were raised as orphans? Many of them.

You obviously don’t see raising children in a homosexual household as a problem. But that is neither here nor there.

I am amazed at how many pages these topics get where the Church has been abundantly clear for us. She does not ask us to form an opinion on the matter. it has been decided by Christ.

Now if you choose to believe otherwise, so be it, but you are arguing against God Himself, and note than any other believe of the Church that you endorse is automatically called into question because if we can question the Church on a matter “we just don’t get,” we can question her on everything we actually do hold dear.

There really isn’t anything to debate, as Christ neithers needs nor desires our thoughts on His teachings.
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Have you been in either situation? If not you really have no basis for stating which one is worse. Are you living in a shell? I did not bring up extreme situations, these are situations happening all over our country and all over the world. I find it sad that you dismiss such a big issue. No tactic, truth; look into it.

No, you obviously want to see that I don’t see SS adoption as a problem, just because I see other issues as much big. No tactic there either right.

You are absolutely right that God does not need my thoughts on anything, but I hardly think God reads these posts.
 
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