Cindy Sheehan now clames to be channeling Casey. She need help and prayers.

[Jay74]

She’s called the terrorists who killed him freedom fighters, and now she clames to be communicating with her dead son.

I’m not posting this to make fun of her. To the contrary, I feel very, very, sad for her.

I very sincerely think someone needs to get Cindy some help.

Please do not let this thread turn into another pro-war, anti-war, Bush good, Bush bad, thread. There are plenty of those. The issue here is Cindy’s need for help and prayers.

I’ll be praying for her. I ask you to do the same.

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Casey in heaven
‘calls Bush idiot’
By Joe Kovacs​

Posted: August 25, 2005
10:57 p.m. Eastern

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan is now purportedly “channeling” her slain son, Casey, from heaven, suggesting he’s calling President Bush “an idiot,” and she claims to have “tens of thousands of angels” supporting her cause to bring home immediately American troops serving in Iraq.

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[MikeWM]

The only thing she seems to have said is this:

“When I get up [to heaven], he’s gonna say, ‘Good job, mom,’” the California woman said in a speech last night upon her return to Crawford, Texas. “He’s not going to say, ‘Why’d you make me spin in my grave?’ you know. And I can just hear him saying, ‘George Bush, you are really an idiot. You didn’t know what you were doing when you killed me. You didn’t know what you were getting into.’”

Oh, and that he turned into an angel in a dream of hers.

That’s quite journalistic licence to turn that into a claim of ‘channeling’.

Mike

 

[YinYangMom]

Boy, she is a tormented woman. Even if she’s presuming corrrectly (and a mother knows these things about her kids), it’s obvious she’s hanging on to this anger stage of grief for now. It has to be frightening to move on to the next stage because I know people are so afraid to let go in the end.

May Christ bring her peace.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Jay, I’m not yet persuaded that Sheehan’s problems are psychiatric. I think her behavior is narcissistic, exploitative, and devious. I think that the panic she may have experienced as a result of being exposed in the bright lights of the media may have inspired her to invent scenarios and justifications for her unsupported statements. And now she is weaving a tangled web.

What bothers me is that the opinion of some that her immoral behaviour has a root cause in the grief she is experiencing at losing her son Casey in the Iraq War. Sorry I don’t buy that. That she is experiencing grief is obvious. That this is causing her to trash American soldiers and steal their good names for her cause I am afraid is too much of a stretch.

Grief would have her reaching out to other grieving parents in the Armed Forces. Except if she thought herself capable of surmounting her obstacles by virtue of her own will. The Pelagian heresy run amock.

 

[Jay74]

Ani Ibi:

Jay, I’m not yet persuaded that Sheehan’s problems are psychiatric. I think her behavior is narcissistic, exploitative, and devious.

That’s difficult to know for sure. In either case, I think our prayers for her are in order.

 

[Jay74]

MikeWM:

The only thing she seems to have said is this:

Oh, and that he turned into an angel in a dream of hers.

That’s quite journalistic licence to turn that into a claim of ‘channeling’.

Mike

It’s possible what she said could have been misunderstood, and good people can differ as to their opinions. My intent starting this thread was to be charitable and offer more prayers for a person who seems to be falling further into despair.

 

[YinYangMom]

Ani Ibi:

Grief would have her reaching out to other grieving parents in the Armed Forces.

Grief takes its own path with anyone.

In your opinion her grief should take the path of reaching out to others like her.

But you are not her, neither is anyone else, and there is no right and wrong to grief.

I pray she moves on to the next stage soon though, as this path she’s on does not seem to be bringing her any peace.

 

[MikeWM]

Jay74:

It’s possible what she said could have been misunderstood, and good people can differ as to their opinions. My intent starting this thread was to be charitable and offer more prayers for a person who seems to be falling further into despair.

In that respect I concur. She does seem to be in a deep, possibly deepening, state of grief, especially given that it has been a while now since her son’s death. I agree she needs some help from the healing power of prayer.

I just objected to the headline of the piece. I don’t see she claims to be channeling in the slightest, she’s just giving her opinion of what she believes her son would think about her protest (which seems fair enough, given so many other people have offered opinions of what her son would think).

Mike

 

[Ani_Ibi]

YinYangMom:

Grief takes its own path with anyone.

In your opinion her grief should take the path of reaching out to others like her.

But you are not her, neither is anyone else, and there is no right and wrong to grief.

I pray she moves on to the next stage soon though, as this path she’s on does not seem to be bringing her any peace.

No you are not listening. You are subverting what I have said to support your own position. I am quite familiar with grief, thank you very much. What I am saying about Sheehan is that I am not convinced that her behavioral spectrum is the result of grief. Personality disorder, yes. Grief, no. That she needs prayer, yes. Along with a reality check and very clear picture of where the boundaries are.

So, I do not believe she is doing these things as a result of her grieving process.

 

[Cathlicrat]

MikeWM:

The only thing she seems to have said is this:

Oh, and that he turned into an angel in a dream of hers.

That’s quite journalistic licence to turn that into a claim of ‘channeling’.

Mike

I swear…its so disgusting to see how World Net Daily twists and/or outright lies when they dont agree with someone. They outright put words into someones mouth… yet they fail to report the lies and then next day denials despite audio and video evidence when people like Bill OReilly and Rush Limbaugh are caught red handed. One could almost call it a right wing agenda… I accuse them of Bearing False Witness against ones neighbor.

 

[Jersey_Jeepster]

It is very telling how the MSM has picked up the Sheehan mantle and proudly displayed it every day in their broadcasts, news articles, etc. Cindy Sheehan is being given free reign to try to belittle the president, all in the name of grief. Yet, during the last State of the Union speech that President Bush gave, he had in attendance a couple who lost their son in the Iraq war.
Also in attendance was an Iraqi woman who was showing gratitude for the elections that took place in her country.

The American couple and the Iraqi woman embraced, all in tears, in what was a poignant and tender moment. But, instead of reporting the incident as a moment created out of the grief that the couple felt in the loss of their son, our lovely media accused the Bush administration of choreographing the moment for political gain.

So, here we have the hypocrisy. Cindy Sheehan is being given a pass for all the hateful, disrespectful, and outright biased vitriol she has been spewing, all in the name of grief. And the couple who hugged the Iraqi woman during the State of the Union speech is denied the understanding that they acted out of grief for their lost son, by showing solidarity with the Iraqi woman and the president’s mission in Iraq. Instead, they are accused of being disingenuous.

It is coming to light that Cindy Sheehan has previously taken part in many anti-American, anti-Bush rallies and speeches. In my mind, it is all very telling as to what her real motivation is. None of it has to do with grief for the loss of her son.

 

[Marie]

Jersey Jeepster:

It is coming to light that Cindy Sheehan has previously taken part in many anti-American, anti-Bush rallies and speeches. In my mind, it is all very telling as to what her real motivation is. None of it has to do with grief for the loss of her son.

Her grief is real I am sure. But she was not a stable person before Casey died or she would be progressing better than she is. I pray for her, but enablement of her very bad behavior is a whole nother story.

Here I just offer my pray. That she get’s the help she needs before she flames herself out with the help of her many enablers.

 

[Cathlicrat]

I see no hypocrisy at all. There are two sides mourning in very different ways. Some hate the President and some dont. I find it sad that those who dont are the majority who are being spiteful towards those who do. I rarely find those who hate Bush spewing hatred towards those who support him…but vice versa…YOW! Especially on this board. :crying:

 

[David_Paul]

How many others are always referred to as “grieving” over a year after a death? No one. Consorting with marxists who support totalitarian regimes including those who killed her son is not an expression of grief. Cindy Sheehan’s ideology pre-dates her son’s death.

 

[Marie]

David_Paul:

How many others are always referred to as “grieving” over a year after a death? No one. Consorting with marxists who support totalitarian regimes including those who killed her son is not an expression of grief. Cindy Sheehan’s ideology pre-dates her son’s death.

True…but let us try and respect Jays intent for this thread. If I can do it, so can you. Several of us have gotten threads off topic when it comes to Cindy…I am guilty of it for sure.

Please do not let this thread turn into another pro-war, anti-war, Bush good, Bush bad, thread. There are plenty of those. The issue here is Cindy’s need for help and prayers.

I’ll be praying for her. I ask you to do the same.

 

[David_Paul]

Marie:

True…but let us try and respect Jays intent for this thread. If I can do it, so can you.

OK…fair enough

I would suggest in the future another part of the forum rather than news for a prayer thread (a good idea in itself).

I grew up with the New Left and those with the ideology of Cindy and her associates in Code Pink. Bad things happened to some friends and families members because of them. In the news forum I find it difficult not to respond to them. But I’ll drop out of this thread now.

No ill feelings. Better for me too if I do

 

[Jeffrey]

Very well put/said. :clapping:

Marie:

Her grief is real I am sure. But she was not a stable person before Casey died or she would be progressing better than she is. I pray for her, but enablement of her very bad behavior is a whole nother story.

Here I just offer my pray. That she get’s the help she needs before she flames herself out with the help of her many enablers.

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[gnjsdad]

Ani Ibi:

Jay, I’m not yet persuaded that Sheehan’s problems are psychiatric. I think her behavior is narcissistic, exploitative, and devious. I think that the panic she may have experienced as a result of being exposed in the bright lights of the media may have inspired her to invent scenarios and justifications for her unsupported statements. And now she is weaving a tangled web.

I rather think she’s an unfortunate woman in mourning who’s lost a husband and a son and doesn’t know how to deal with her grief. Frankly, using words like “narcissistic”, “exploitative”, and “devious” to explain Mrs Sheehan is quite inappropriate. We should all pray that no one experiences what she is experiencing.
Ani Ibi:

What bothers me is that the opinion of some that her immoral behaviour has a root cause in the grief she is experiencing at losing her son Casey in the Iraq War. Sorry I don’t buy that. That she is experiencing grief is obvious. That this is causing her to trash American soldiers and steal their good names for her cause I am afraid is too much of a stretch.

What “immoral behavior” are you referring to? I’m asking because I don’t know much about her aside from her antiwar activities.
Ani Ibi:

Grief would have her reaching out to other grieving parents in the Armed Forces. Except if she thought herself capable of surmounting her obstacles by virtue of her own will. The Pelagian heresy run amock.

Different people cope with grief in different ways. There is no right or wrong way to grieve, unless you break the law.

 

[Lizzie]

Cindy has been made very famous because her son died. The voices of the majority of mothers of dead soldiers have been bypassed by the Maoist/Marxist orgs who have made Cindy famous.

I’m surprised to hear she now knows what her son thinks, in that she was unable to stop him from enlisting in the military, reenlisting in the military or volunteering for the fatal rescue mission.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

gnjsdad:

I rather think she’s an unfortunate woman in mourning who’s lost a husband and a son and doesn’t know how to deal with her grief.

I am not denying that she is grieving. Once again: I do not think her behavioral spectrum is caused by her grief. Apples and oranges. Why do I have to say that over and over again?

gnjsdad:

Frankly, using words like “narcissistic”, “exploitative”, and “devious” to explain Mrs Sheehan is quite inappropriate.

That is your opinion. If you want your opinion to further this discussion then please give reasons why you think these descriptions are ‘inappropriate.’ They explain her behaviour not her person btw.

gnjsdad:

We should all pray that no one experiences what she is experiencing.

Well there is where we differ. Many of us have experienced what she is experiencing. Loss and grief is very much part of the human condition.

gnjsdad:

What “immoral behavior” are you referring to?

I’ve already answered this question. The woman has taken her son’s name and used it for her own cause, a cause which her son clearly did not stand for. Not only that, she and her cohorts have taken the names of many other war dead and, without even a glance in the direction of the survivors, have inscribed their names on crosses and used the whole deal to promote their own cause without asking permission. That is false witness. I have said this before too.

And when the survivors removed their loved one’s crosses from Camp Casey, the Camp Casey folk simply replaced them. What seems to be the problem here? I’m just going to go on being asked and asked about things which I have already explained? And what would be the reason for that? I don’t give the ‘right’ answer? This is the answer I am giving; this is my answer and if it is not the ‘right’ answer then so be it.

gnjsdad:

Different people cope with grief in different ways. There is no right or wrong way to grieve, unless you break the law.

Once again: I do not believe the woman is coping with her grief. I believe she is gaining mileage from it for her own cause, a cause which her son did not share. This is what I believe. If you believe something different, then it is what it is.