Sadly, I will never have that choice.LOL! Well, I guess this is perfect example of why males should have a say so on this issue.
Although the only ones that I think can really compare a before and after circumcision are the ones who did this when they were already adults (i.e., once they have begun to be sexually active). I am sure the hygiene would be the same (i.e, just make sure you clean well).
If its as immoral female circumcison, then why didn’t the Church condem male circumcision when they said female circumcision was a horrible thing? I am curious too, that if it was indeed wrong why did the Church and still does especially traditional and orthodox still celebrate the Feast of the Circumcision.
Maybe I am misreading this post, but it seems that you are assuming that everyone who has his/her son circ’d does so for cosmetic purposes. While it has been years since I’ve done this type of research and don’t intend to do so again unless we find ourselves pregnant again, I can assure you that we decided in favor of circumcision because of the medical reasons. I have found no teaching from the Church that does not allow me this decision.
Certainly, circumcision for a medical purpose would be moral. It would be a prudential decision as to whether the risks of the circumcision outweigh the health benefits. It is when such a procedure is done for aesthetic or preferential reasons that the act is immoral.
Do you have a reference for this?
Sorry but I find this line very weird and kind of disturbing.
This is off topic a little, but can’t your fathers be circ’d now?Wow I had no idea this thread was so long!:bigyikes: I’m jumping in really late and I’ll have to go back and read a lot of pages.
All three of our sons were circ’d just like their father. I left the decision up to him because only he would know what the results of a circ would feel like, not me. We did it mostly for hygiene reasons, but also so they wouldn’t get picked on in the showers at school. We also find a circ’d penis more aesthetically appealing, to be honest.
So here we are 18 and 15 years down the road for the oldest two. They have told us thank God we got them circ’d because uncirc’d boys do still get picked on in this day and age, when we’re all supposed to be a little more evolved socially than we were 20 years ago. That hasn’t changed! My kids say they are really glad we did it, especially now that both of their uncirc’d grandpas are in and out of the hospital with penile infections due to not being circ’d. This I know because its what the doctors have told them. Old guys sometimes can’t take care and clean properly anymore and it does indeed lead to serious problems and pain. My FIL has suffered for nearly a year with a catheter and bag and numerous medications, unable to eat anything green on one of the meds, has leg trouble and is noticeably depressed from the whole ordeal. He can’t walk right with that darned catheter, and we hate seeing the change in his usually upbeat personality. Its a nightmare for him, when you add all that to his heart problems.We’re afraid he will eventually give up living.
I think its a personal choice and there is no ‘right’ way except for what you choose is right for your boys.
I saw many reasons listed in her post. I don’t see why anyone should condemn this family for making a decision on many levels. She didn’t say that the only reason was for looks. As a wife of a circ’d man, I have only seen pics of uncirc, and I would agree. It is all I know. But that alone would never determine for me having the procedure done on my child. And neither did it for this poster.
I cetainly hope women aren’t picking their husbands based off this.
Getting picked on? This is another reason not to do it. Instead of falling in place with doing what everyone else does, why not teach our children to be proud of who they are and that it’s the quality of the person that counts. Not what they wear, whether their short or tall, or circumsized or not.
The point in bringing up the examples of female circumcision and breast augmentation was to highlight the fact that, if we decide that circumcision is moral for aesthetic purposes, then we have to allow other things that seem “shocking” as moral as well. To me that seems problematic. They are acts of the same type and violate the teaching of the Church.
Yes, that is EXACTLY my point. What makes these two acts nearly always immoral is that there does not seem to be a medical case to perform them. In the example you give of breast implants, those would be instances of doing it for medical and restorative purposes NOT cosmetic or aesthetic purposes. In the same way, if circumcision is chosen for a non-medical reason, it becomes an act of the same type as the 2 above, an immoral one.
This is untrue. First, your assertion that the procedure is an amputation is not proven, secondly male circumcision for cultural reasons is licit.
If it is not amputation or “partial” amputation, then what is it? According to all the definitions of the word that I have seen removing part of an organ would be considered partial amputation. Amputation is only moral for a medical reason. (CC 2297).
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You’re right. Here’s the link from a CA Apologist.
I think that makes it pretty clear that it is up to the parents and others should not be judging them.
I for one am not judging anyone, however, I think it is important to talk about the reasons people do things.