Citing growing interest in Traditional Latin Mass, Archbishop Chaput creates quasi-parish

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FrDavid96 said:
Wonderful news!

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I agree, excellent news.

Widespread usage of the Extraordinary Form can only strengthen the Church.

The pendulum is swinging back to the traditional, orthodox end after decades of modernist, progressive tendencies in the Church, and some people who don’t appreciate orthodoxy and tradition are fighting, but God will have the final word.
 
Thank-you for your information and viewpoint. Romance languages, yes are similar. if I was younger, I would have pursued Italian further, and Spanish. Latin Mass triggered an interest in other languages. For a newcomer to Latin Mass, it would be difficult not having a Missal with translation. As a youth(and children learn quickly) I understood the Latin eventually and didn’t need the translation, same as you with the French. Sometimes we are resistant to change or the unknown. When we say the Rosary before Mass, three ladies say it in Italian, which is beautiful, too. And I would love to attend a Spanish language Mass. Because of Latin Mass, I took Latin for five years of high school, and loved it. There is a Vietnamese Parish in my city. How wonderful is it, when you look at the devastation of Vietnam, these people have their traditional language Mass and freedom of Faith. I agree with you, Latin is just one more language, it just happens to be the oldest one(next to Greek).
 
Good grief, why this battle between Latin and non-Latin?
As I stated in an earlier posting, I believe God’s word should be understood.
A person should not have to learn Latin to understand what is going on during the course of a Mass service.
This really has nothing to do with orthodoxy and tradition vs. modernist, progressive thought, it is simply allowing people to understand the words of the Mass. That is why, the church made the change over 50 years ago.
 
YourNameHere said:
Good grief, why this battle between Latin and non-Latin?

As I stated in an earlier posting, I believe God’s word should be understood.

A person should not have to learn Latin to understand what is going on during the course of a Mass service.

This really has nothing to do with orthodoxy and tradition vs. modernist, progressive thought, it is simply allowing people to understand the words of the Mass. That is why, the church made the change over 50 years ago.
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Who said anything about a battle between Latin and non-Latin?

I prefer the OF Mass in English over the EF in Latin…

You totally 100% read something into my post which certainly wasn’t there.
 
Wonderful to hear that those who want to enjoy Latin mass in Philadelphia will be able to do so. My city, St. Louis, also has a parish that celebrates the Mass in Latin. It’s truly lovely.
 
YourNameHere said:
Good grief, why this battle between Latin and non-Latin?
As I stated in an earlier posting, I believe God’s word should be understood.
A person should not have to learn Latin to understand what is going on during the course of a Mass service.
This really has nothing to do with orthodoxy and tradition vs. modernist, progressive thought, it is simply allowing people to understand the words of the Mass. That is why, the church made the change over 50 years ago.
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There are also other important values to be upheld.

There is the value of “mystery” in the Mass, which can find expression in using Latin.

The value of universality: Latin unites the whole (western) Church. This is especially true if the congregation speaks multiple languages at home.

And yes, the values of tradition and continuity. We are the same One Church that we were 75, 500 and 1500 years ago. Latin helps to express that continuity.

There is also room for balance. Mass need not be entirely in the vernacular, nor entirely in Latin. This is more in harmony with what Vatican II actually said. The Council never said that the Mass should be entirely in the vernacular language, but only that parts of the Mass might be.

Yes, it makes perfect sense for the readings to be in the vernacular: the whole point of the readings is that they be understood. On the other end of the spectrum, there’s room for some Latin in the parts of the Mass which can be experienced equally well (sometimes even better) in Latin.

This is not an all-or-nothing either way.
 
I see no value in mystery.
I believe in the power of words.
But those words are much strong if they are understood.
As I child growing up, it was difficult to follow the Mass, because I do not understand Latin.
It was a wonderful Sunday, the first time I heard everything said in English. The prayers, the scripture readings, the Gospel, and the Sermon. Truly a wonderful day.
Though many of our words are derivatives of Latin root words, nearly the whole world speaks some other language other than Latin.
For those who wish to go back in history, I say have fun.
But most of us want to continue our journey into the future praying and glorifying Jesus Christ in our native tongue.
 
Well, the Church is full of mysteries- the trinity, the Incarnation…

The Latin Mass keeps us cognizant of the fact that we can never fully understand God.
 
Best be careful. Before you know it, they’ll be winning a Super Bowl…no, wait…too late…never mind.
 
Yes, the local FSSP led EF community here in Vancouver was a quasi-parish, hosted in a parish church, for some years. Eventually, the historical German parish, which was declining, was given to them, church and all, and it became an established personal parish for any of the faithful devoted to the EF.
 
It is the ideal location- right on the interstate, St. Boniface is a church where 99.9% of the parish it used to serve was razed for the highway. People can get in and out of there pretty smoothly, and its an old school, more or less traditional looking church. Great for the purpose for which it is used.
 
YourNameHere said:
I see no value in mystery.
For those who wish to go back in history, I say have fun.

But most of us want to continue our journey into the future praying and glorifying Jesus Christ in our native tongue.
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No value in mystery? But you are catholic, aren’t you? There are many mysteries within our faith that are VERY valuable.

I don’t think it’s a question of going back in history, it a celebration of a liturgy in a beautiful language that some of us missed when it ceased. BTW: If you know the mass well, you can follow along in any language.

I think you are impolite in speaking for “most”. There are a lot of people who like the Latin mass just as much as mass in the Vernacular and see the richness and beauty of both. You actually came across rather snarky in your disdain for Latin mass, which is rather sad since it has a rich tradition in the Catholic Church.
 
Jane, my dear, you are entitled to like whatever you like.
What I said is that most people like to hear the Mass in his or her native tongue. Yes, there are some people who enjoy Latin, but most of these folks go back to the time before Vatican II.
To the best of my knowledge, there is no country that speaks Latin. That is a throw back to the age of the Romans.
The mysteries in our faith have nothing to do with saying the Mass in Latin. If that were the case, Catholics all over the world would still be saying the Mass in Latin.
The word of God should be prayed, but before we can pray those words, we have to be able to understand the words. This is all that I am saying.
 
I just don’t get it when people say that they don’t understand Latin or that mass should be understood(?), etc.

1- foreign language is not an obstacle in our day and age. The order of the Liturgy is the same, so all one would have to do is look it up online for translation, and moreover, print it out to bring along if really necessary…

2- some churches already provide latin/english on the same pamphlet. A church that i have recently started visiting says mass (Novus Ordo) in 4 languages simultaneously which is amazing! Feels very connecting, just like the Taize-style 😉

3- What’s the big deal?
 
YourNameHere said:
Yes, there are some people who enjoy Latin, but most of these folks go back to the time before Vatican II.
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This is false. You should investigate FSSP parishes some time. They often include A LOT of young families. College and university students, too, form a good number of Latin Mass attendees.
 
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