Citing growing interest in Traditional Latin Mass, Archbishop Chaput creates quasi-parish

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Well it it’s anything like in my state, the interest in the TLM, disrupts the parish which hosts it.

My old parish had to move the time for the TLM to 1 PM Sunday, as it disrupted the regular parish Mass which was held at 11:00 AM. Cars arriving for the TLM which was originally at 12 noon, made it difficult for cars leaving the 11:00 AM Mass or having after Mass fellowship events. Also, those attending the TLM, didn’t leave after the Mass, but wanted refreshments and fellowship themselves. The TLM interfered with the parish life of the parish. The Parishioners of the parish complained because the majority of people attending the TLM, were not of that parish, but traveled from outside, sometimes two hours away and not even in the dioceses. Anyway, it ended when the only priest who celebrated the TLM left, which is another story.

So, it makes sense to have a Quasi-Parish dedicated to the TLM people. However, those parishes will have to be supported by them, and I wonder how Baptisms, Marriages and Funerals will be held for people who live hours away ?

Jim
 
When you say “word of God”, do you mean the Scripture? Because I’d bet that at most, if not all, TLMs, the readings are reread in the vernacular for the sermon and many traditional Catholics would not object to having them in vernacular directly.

If not, then I stand firm in my conviction that you don’t need to be fluent in Latin to understand the Ordinary of the Mass. You just have to know the Ordinary, which every attending Catholic does, and invest a few hours (or few partially understood Masses) into internalising the Latin text, which I would expect every Catholic who values his Church and its patrimony to be willing to do.

And no, it’s not that Jane’s entitled to like whatever she likes. Jane likes what is proper to the Roman Rite, the default option. Sancrosanctum Concilium clearly considers vernacular languages as secondary to Latin. It’s you who’s allowed to have liturgy in the vernacular.

And the mysteries of our faith are deeply connected with the liturgy and thus with the language used, because it is through this liturgy that we live these mysteries. As the good Fr. Z says, we are our rites. Change them, and we change.
 
gracepoole said:
This is false. You should investigate FSSP parishes some time. They often include A LOT of young families. College and university students, too, form a good number of Latin Mass attendees.
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There are no FSSP parish in Pittsburgh, although we do have a Latin Mass parish. Maybe some weekend I’ll head on over out of curiosity, its a 10 minute drive from here.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Well it it’s anything like in my state, the interest in the TLM, disrupts the parish which hosts it.

My old parish had to move the time for the TLM to 1 PM Sunday, as it disrupted the regular parish Mass which was held at 11:00 AM. Cars arriving for the TLM which was originally at 12 noon, made it difficult for cars leaving the 11:00 AM Mass or having after Mass fellowship events. Also, those attending the TLM, didn’t leave after the Mass, but wanted refreshments and fellowship themselves. The TLM interfered with the parish life of the parish. The Parishioners of the parish complained because the majority of people attending the TLM, were not of that parish, but traveled from outside, sometimes two hours away and not even in the dioceses.

Jim
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I’ve heard similar complaints in parishes that started offering Spanish or Polish language Masses. This isn’t a unique quirk of TLM.
 
Who is Jane? My name is Janet

And THIS…“And the mysteries of our faith are deeply connected with the liturgy and thus with the language used, because it is through this liturgy that we live these mysteries. As the good Fr. Z says, we are our rites. Change them, and we change.” Thank you to SKO, sorry by my ability to actually quote on this forum is hit or miss.
 
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We don’t have FSSP here either, more’s the pity. (I do know quite a bit about their communities as several friends are parishioners.) But we do have a thriving diocesan Latin Mass parish. Go and enjoy!
 
YourNameHere said:
I remember when Masses were conducted in Latin. I did not like it then. I do not like this idea now.

The words of the Mass should be understood.

I should not have to know Latin to be understand that prayers and what the priest is saying.
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Don’t worry, there are plenty of non-Latin Mass options for you to attend.
You will not be forced to go to a Latin one.

Latin Mass is an option, like charismatic Mass. Some people very much enjoy and benefit from these TLM Masses. Philadelphia has a HUGE Catholic community and there are many people here who like the regular Mass in English but also many who like the Latin Mass.
I’ll probably be checking out this new parish myself, I like a Latin Mass once in a while.
I studied Latin in school.
 
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Whatever Grace…rather than continue this pointless argument, I will differ to your words.
Everyone is turning to Latin Masses.
By the way, I have no disdain for the Mass in Latin or for those who like it. I prefer Mass recited in my native tongue. Is that okay with you?
 
This is great and may well save a very nice old church. Philadelphia unfortunately has a surfeit of very nice old churches. Even with the huge Catholic population in and around the city, it is hard to keep them all up and running.

I’m a bit surprised the Philadelphia diocese did not have one of these quasi-parishes for TLM already, given that there is a pretty big interest in it shown by Masses at many churches in the area and at the Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul about once a month. I have been over to the Latin Mass parish in the Diocese of Camden, Mater Ecclesiae, and the services are very nice and traditional, but the worship space is very plain - looks almost Protestant to me, and no windows. Plus it’s twice as far away as St. Mary’s Conshy from where I spend time.

Here’s some pictures of the church this will be in:

http://www.phillychurchproject.com/st-mary-conshohocken/
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
Well it it’s anything like in my state, the interest in the TLM, disrupts the parish which hosts it.
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It’s not going to disrupt jack doodly here. The parish in question was a Polish national parish with dwindling attendance that was already merged with another nearby church (a couple other churches in the neighborhood were sold off by the diocese, one to the Copts and one to the city). The Poles were knocking themselves out trying to find a way to just keep the doors open as they were down to like 300 people coming to Mass. They are happy and this will likely save that church from being shut down or sold.
 
YourNameHere said:
Whatever Grace…rather than continue this pointless argument, I will differ to your words.
Everyone is turning to Latin Masses.
By the way, I have no disdain for the Mass in Latin or for those who like it. I prefer Mass recited in my native tongue. Is that okay with you?
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Welcome to CAF.
 
It isn’t unique, but then Spanish or Polish Masses are for those Spanish or Polish speaking members of that parish.

The TLM is generally attended by people not of that parish.

Jim
 
Well this is what Archbishop Chaput is doing, using a parish which is on the edge of being closed because of lack of support.

This is a good idea, as it will not disrupt a parish elsewhere.

But it’s called Quasi, because the people attending will have to show they can support it, However, how will pastoral care be given to them when they want children Baptised, marriages, or funerals, when the members do not live in the general area of the parish ?

In other words, it’s an experiment by the Bishop.

I hope for those who want the TLM, it works out for them

I’m just sad that they feel the need to separate themselves from the general Catholic population.

Jim
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
It isn’t unique, but then Spanish or Polish Masses are for those Spanish or Polish speaking members of that parish.
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That sort of depends. There are still some old-school ethnic based parishes, where they speak Croatian or Polish and you have to be of that ethnicity to be a member.

But the current plan isn’t for all of the members of an ethnic group to live in the same community, so diocesan sites are established on neutral turf for Masses in Korean, Vietnamese, Spanish or other foreign tongues
 
But it’s their parish.

The TLM that was in my old parish, which was originally French BTW, people drove from across the state. Many weren’t even in the same dioceses as the parish.

It’s different than an ethnically populated parish which provides a Mass in the vernacular for those parishioners. Eventually it does out as it did in my French parish as there become fewer and fewer members who don’t understand english.

Jim
 
I’ve seen something similar in a church in another city, which is split between TLM and a national parish (can’t remember if it’s Polish or German right now). The church is a masterpiece, but it’s in a badly decayed neighborhood that is only just starting to bounce back.

TLM folks are fine with traveling to get there for whatever they need.
As for separating themselves, we have a huge, diverse church and I think it’s a mistake to insist that everybody do everything together, the same way, all the time.
 
Please, the apparitions at Bayside NY, were rejected as false long ago by the Church.

Don’t use that link to try and justify your argument

Jim
 
I have no problem with people attending a TLM, if that is their preference.

I also stated that I think it’s a good idea for Archbishop Chaput to create a Quasi Parish, for people to attend the TLM.

It helps keep from disrupting the parish where that Mass interferes with the other Masses which the members of that parish attend.

Jim
 
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