Everyone. We were asked before we had our marriage convalidated. If there’s uncertainty, the priest says he gives the couple the benefit of the doubt.Do you mean they ask physically disabled people that? Or everyone?
If they were non-Catholic and have been previously married to each other before joining the Church and consummated that marriage, without impediments (i.e. prior living spouses), then they were in a valid natural marriage (if not baptized), or a valid sacramental marriage (if baptized), and there is no need for pre-marital screening. They are already validly married prior entering the Church and they remain so after, even if at this point in time, they can no longer complete the marital act.So what about a couple who is joining or reverting to Catholicism who have been married. Do they ask them?
And if they ask them, and the answer is no, are they refused from joining the Church???
Love isn’t inherently sexual, but marriage is.
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Plenty of people get married with all the parts working, only to have them become defective or out of operation later down the road. They may live decades without having any sexual intimacy, and their marriages are quite often just as strong or stronger than any other couple.
There are many ways to ask the question and sometimes I wonder if the couple knows what they are answering.Agreed. I’m an curious about this question, too. I was never asked.
Marriage is about sex, there is no getting away from this. Even those who intend a Josephite marriage need to be able to have sex if the other person changes his/her mind after the wedding.So natural law trumps compassion, love, mercy, etc., when it comes to marriage.
Got it.
It’s cruel. It’s marginalizing. The Church can justify it all it wants, but it’s still cruel, and still marginalizes.
It’s no wonder people walk away from the Church. So much for the New Evangelazation…
No one is disputing that. It’s a cross some of us have to bear, just as we sometimes have to bear the spouse developing cancer or mental illness, or any number of other things. That’s not the same as entering a marriage with full knowledge that we are excluding the possibility of what the church teaches about marriageLove isn’t inherently sexual, but marriage is.
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Plenty of people get married with all the parts working, only to have them become defective or out of operation later down the road. They may live decades without having any sexual intimacy, and their marriages are quite often just as strong or stronger than any other couple.
"The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; "
You really should stop be so hostile to Father David. You have this attitude in many threads to other posters too.Could you just find Magisterial wording for what it is you are trying to defend?
I personally see no universal immorality in simply obtaining a marriage not recognised by the Church.
It depends on circumstances.
I don’t think your intent argument flies … at least not the way you word it.
Some types of rules simply don’t require intent.
Yep. And that is why, in my opinion, the Catholic Church gets way too embedded in the private parts of a couple’s marriage. And when I say “private parts”, I mean that literally as well as figuratively. I could never get married in the Catholic Church, because it does that sort of thing. In one breath it states that marriage is a sacred bond between a husband and wife, and in the second breath it decides exactly what that means. It is an oxymoron.No one is disputing that. It’s a cross some of us have to bear, just as we sometimes have to bear the spouse developing cancer or mental illness, or any number of other things. That’s not the same as entering a marriage with full knowledge that we are excluding the possibility of what the church teaches about marriage
"The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring; "