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I’m a Roman Catholic, but, I’ve been researching and pondering a lot lately whether I’m in the True Church or not. I’ve been reading Protestant things, and there are a few things that have really got me questioning the Church’s authority. I don’t know if this is right or wrong, and I would appreciate anyone who would give their opinions on the following claims:
1.) I’ve heard Catholics claim that the Church was given power to loose and to bind, and to forgive and retain sins from the verses, “Whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in Heaven”, and “Whoever’s sins you forgive are forgiven, whoever’s sins you retain are retained.” I think what Catholics take these verses to mean is that whatever the Church binds or looses on Earth, God will then bind or looses in Heaven, and, similarly, whoever’s sins a preist forgives through confession, God will then forgive as well.
However, I’ve read an overwhelming number of articles stating that these are misleading translations, and that the grammatical structure of these verses indicates something else, so that these verses would best be translated: “Whatever you bind on Earth will have already been bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth will have already been loosed in Heaven”, and “Whoever’s sins you forgive will have already been forgiven, and whoever’s sins you retain will have already been retained.” Many say this verse means that the Apostles should only bind or loose what was already bound or loosed by God. Also, the Apostles should declare who’s sins were or were not already forgiven by God based on God’s terms or forgiveness. I’ve seen Biblical scholars point this out, and I’ve also seen many Bible translations translate this verse similarly.
Perhaps there isn’t much of a conflict with the binding and loosing one, but doesn’t the Catholic Church beleive that the forgiving sins verse gives it the power to forgive sins in Confession? In the case of Confession, the person is forgiven by God as the preist forgives them (right?), so doesn’t that conflict with the translation that whoever’s sins the Apostles forgave (or claimed to be forgiven by God) would have already been forgiven by God?
2.) I’ve seen a few Bible quotes used to prove that Peter was not the fist Pope. These quotes are used to show that the Apostles did not acknowledge that Jesus had given Peter any special authority.
“And when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he clearly was wrong. For, until some people came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to draw back and separated himself, because he was afraid of the circumcised.” -Galatians 2:11-12
The argument here is: If Paul recognized that Peter had been appointed as Head of the Church, he wouldn’t have opposed him, which would be very disrespectful to do to the Pope.
“Then an argument broke out among [the Apostles] about which of them should be regarded as the greatest. [Jesus] said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them and those in authority over them are adressed as ‘Benefactors’; but among you it shall not be so. Rather, let the greatest among you be as the youngest, and the leader as the servant.” -Luke 22:24-26
Argument: Why were they arguing over who was the greatest? If Peter has special authority, isn’t it kind of obvious that he’s the greatest? The bishops wouldn’t argue if they were better than the Pope or not, would they?
3.) Finally, the Catholic Church teaches that non-Catholics can go to Heaven, but this seems to contradict that:
“It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Apparently, this is from the Council of Florence, the 17th Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church and is dogmatic. Some people have said this just means that if you KNOW that the Catholic Church is the True Church and you STILL refuse to join it, you won’t go to Heaven. But who would do that? Also “[remaining] in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” seems doesn’t seem to include well-meaning Protestants.
Thank you a million times. I am very, very sorry this is so long.
1.) I’ve heard Catholics claim that the Church was given power to loose and to bind, and to forgive and retain sins from the verses, “Whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth will be loosed in Heaven”, and “Whoever’s sins you forgive are forgiven, whoever’s sins you retain are retained.” I think what Catholics take these verses to mean is that whatever the Church binds or looses on Earth, God will then bind or looses in Heaven, and, similarly, whoever’s sins a preist forgives through confession, God will then forgive as well.
However, I’ve read an overwhelming number of articles stating that these are misleading translations, and that the grammatical structure of these verses indicates something else, so that these verses would best be translated: “Whatever you bind on Earth will have already been bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth will have already been loosed in Heaven”, and “Whoever’s sins you forgive will have already been forgiven, and whoever’s sins you retain will have already been retained.” Many say this verse means that the Apostles should only bind or loose what was already bound or loosed by God. Also, the Apostles should declare who’s sins were or were not already forgiven by God based on God’s terms or forgiveness. I’ve seen Biblical scholars point this out, and I’ve also seen many Bible translations translate this verse similarly.
Perhaps there isn’t much of a conflict with the binding and loosing one, but doesn’t the Catholic Church beleive that the forgiving sins verse gives it the power to forgive sins in Confession? In the case of Confession, the person is forgiven by God as the preist forgives them (right?), so doesn’t that conflict with the translation that whoever’s sins the Apostles forgave (or claimed to be forgiven by God) would have already been forgiven by God?
2.) I’ve seen a few Bible quotes used to prove that Peter was not the fist Pope. These quotes are used to show that the Apostles did not acknowledge that Jesus had given Peter any special authority.
“And when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he clearly was wrong. For, until some people came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to draw back and separated himself, because he was afraid of the circumcised.” -Galatians 2:11-12
The argument here is: If Paul recognized that Peter had been appointed as Head of the Church, he wouldn’t have opposed him, which would be very disrespectful to do to the Pope.
“Then an argument broke out among [the Apostles] about which of them should be regarded as the greatest. [Jesus] said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them and those in authority over them are adressed as ‘Benefactors’; but among you it shall not be so. Rather, let the greatest among you be as the youngest, and the leader as the servant.” -Luke 22:24-26
Argument: Why were they arguing over who was the greatest? If Peter has special authority, isn’t it kind of obvious that he’s the greatest? The bishops wouldn’t argue if they were better than the Pope or not, would they?
3.) Finally, the Catholic Church teaches that non-Catholics can go to Heaven, but this seems to contradict that:
“It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
Apparently, this is from the Council of Florence, the 17th Ecumenical Council of the Roman Catholic Church and is dogmatic. Some people have said this just means that if you KNOW that the Catholic Church is the True Church and you STILL refuse to join it, you won’t go to Heaven. But who would do that? Also “[remaining] in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” seems doesn’t seem to include well-meaning Protestants.
Thank you a million times. I am very, very sorry this is so long.