Thanks. How many SyroMalankarese Catholics are there in North America, I wonder. I’ve never personally seen any Eastern Catholic Churches where I live. Course I haven’t been looking either, and I’d probably be surprised if I started looking through phone books. I did see a Ukrainian Catholic Church on a trip in the upper Midwest of the U.S.
I’ve been fortunate to live in places that have one, or even more, EC parishes; but there are many places that don’t.
Interesting. What is the proportion of Catholics who are Roman Rite to the Catholics who are from other rites?Not that we want to make this all about the question of an EC becoming Pope (or do we?) but two things come to mind:
- Why would an EC would to be Pope? (Do a lot of LCs want to be the Patriarch of Antioch?
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- If we turn our attention to cardinals, we see that (approximately) 1 out of 4,000,000 LCs are Cardinals, whereas 1 out of 2,000,000 Eastern (Greek-or-Oriental) Catholics are Cardinals.
The situation here in Spain is similar. Historically Spain has always been Latin Rite-centered, so with the exception of a handful of Romanian Greek Catholic and Ukrainian Greek Catholic parishes here and there in larger cities, it’s virtually non-existent.
I would say even if it was true which, there may be some truth as far as how they were trying to Latinize things, it just shows sinful man and that’s it. Those things would be an abuse of power and that’s it. It says nothing of the validity of the Church. That statement simply says and describes sins of pride and such of a group of leaders. So the sins of a particular people or group of people even if those people are in authority have no bearing the Church Herself. And to my knowledge we aren’t punishing any Greek rebels currently. But if at one time they were being wrongfully punished… Again just sinful man, being sinful man again. There’s been a lot of corruption no doubt but, I haven’t researched this before. It will take some digging.
Where are you located? The 2015 Annuario is the latest stats on all Churches worldwide, heres the extrapolation for Eastern Churches: cnewa.org/source-images/Roberson-eastcath-statistics/eastcatholic-stat15.pdf
Thank you.
It is true that MOST Eastern christians are NOT in union with the Pope. And yes, it is true that the majority of Catholics are part of the Roman Rite.
GCs and OCs make up about 1.5% of Catholics.
The vast majority of Catholics belong to the Latin Church. The vast majority of Orthodox belong to the Russian Church. So what? (That’s not directed at you peter)
Very rough numbers. They seem to be from at least 70 years ago. Also, some of the historical claims are just ignorant. The Syriac Catholics returned to Rome from the monophysite heresy?
And that just shows a lot of false assumptions. The Eastern Catholic Churches by the same caliber are not internally diverse then (there exist only Armenians using the Armenian rite in the Armenian Catholic Church). Each individual ECC is a Church sui iuris as the canonical term goes. The OO communion is “diverse” by the same standard of judgment. But more importantly, why diversity is an inherent value in itself is something to still something to be demonstrated.
I agree (and I’m glad you clarified that you weren’t directing that at me
).Thank you. I think 1.5% of 1.2 Billion people is a lot of people. I didn’t realize how many Catholics–Latin Catholics–are in the Phillippines. I’ve been doing a little research on where Catholics are. There are a lot in the Congo too, which I didn’t know. But Brazil dwarfs all other countries, even Mexico. I also didn’t know how many Chaldean Catholics there are.
Huh???
A Church which is called the Universal Church (because that is what “Catholic” means) would we be well suited to have a lot of diverse, ancient traditions. I am not quite sure why this is something that needs to be explicitly demonstrated, it seems rather obvious. Would you want all churches in communion with Rome to all use the same rites, liturgies, etc.? Even the Latin Rite has more than one rite it uses (Mozarabic rite, Ambrosian rite, etc., other than the Ordinary and Extraordinary forms of Mass, that is, the Roman Rite per se).Very rough numbers. They seem to be from at least 70 years ago. Also, some of the historical claims are just ignorant. The Syriac Catholics returned to Rome from the monophysite heresy?
And that just shows a lot of false assumptions. The Eastern Catholic Churches by the same caliber are not internally diverse then (there exist only Armenians using the Armenian rite in the Armenian Catholic Church). Each individual ECC is a Church sui iuris as the canonical term goes. The OO communion is “diverse” by the same standard of judgment. But more importantly, why diversity is an inherent value in itself is something to still something to be demonstrated.
In the ancient Roman Empire there was a division of west and east (e.g. 395 A.D.), and the western region was severely disrupted by invasions. After those invasions, there were disputes over territory. We know that originally Rome (Italy) had the Church jurisdiction of what is now Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina: the area south of the Danube River to Sava and west of Drina going South, to the coast. Orthodoxy moved into that area in the high middle ages.
