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That’s what happens when you don’t proofread and use the mic. I guess the joke is on me.
That is by far the worst time for it for me. Fingers on a chalkboard! LolApplauding after the post-Eucharistic reflection song. That was like fingernails on a chalkboard.
What is okay - what the priest allows.That is your opinion, and I’m sure many on the forum would agree as we have had this discussion before.
Variable. Can be as high as (number of people)^2.Number of opinions - Number of people.
This is more common at Spanish Masses. It seems weird at English Masses for some reason.I’m okay with clapping along with the music if the music lends itself. I’m not one for praise and worship during Mass but I do appreciate a hearty dismissal/recessional that makes me want to go out and be the Gospel to others! I’ve been known to be seen clapping along with a peppy recessional whilst wearing my veil at Easter
I’m pretty sure this practice would be discouraged. Considering that the entire assembly is forbidden to engage in liturgical song and other prayers during the consecration, it would be hard to see how clapping would be condoned. The Church has obviously intended that this part of the mass be met with silent attention.In some parts of Africa, they clap during the consecration.
Laity are clearly instructed to listen with attention, full stop, nothing else. In this context I can hardly see how clapping during the consecration does not amount to a “liturgical song”.The nature of the presidential texts demands that they [Eucharistic prayers] be spoken in a loud and clear voice and that everyone present listen with attention. While the priest is speaking these texts, there should be no other prayer or liturgical song, and the organ or other instruments should not be played. (GIRM 32)
That’s not really true, unless your merely talking about parish administration. When it comes to the mass there are many many priests who abuse the liturgy by adding to/subtracting from the mass as they see fit. This is not allowed and if one encounters it, they should privately and respectfully discuss it with the priest and try resolve it.What is okay - what the priest allows.
What is not okay - what the priest disallows.
Number of opinions - Number of people.
Nonsense. Ringing the bell in order to declare that Transsubstantiation has taken place is specifically allowed by the Roman Missal. Hand clapping is not.Except in this country, we use bells. So I’m not sure you can tell an entire culture that claps where we chime bells - in the presence of some very ‘liturgically conservative’ bishops - that they’re wrong
“A little before the Consecration, if appropriate, a minister rings a small bell as a signal to the faithful. The minister also rings the small bell at each elevation by the priest, according to local custom. #150”
It is entirely possible that there is an adaptation in place for some countries or cultures.Cor_ad_Cor:![]()
Nonsense. Ringing the bell in order to declare that Transsubstantiation has taken place is specifically allowed by the Roman Missal. Hand clapping is not.Except in this country, we use bells. So I’m not sure you can tell an entire culture that claps where we chime bells - in the presence of some very ‘liturgically conservative’ bishops - that they’re wrong
“A little before the Consecration, if appropriate, a minister rings a small bell as a signal to the faithful. The minister also rings the small bell at each elevation by the priest, according to local custom. #150”
I was not referring to “some Bishop’s Conference” making a change on its own. I was referring to a Bishop’s Conference following proper procedures and adapting the GIRM to the situation and culture of their own country, as provided for in the GIRM.The quote provided was from the General Instructions for the Roman Missal, not some bishops conference.
The “according to local customs” means the bell can rung or not. It does not mean that one may substitute the bell for something else depending on one’s cultural preference.
Clapping is not allowed during the consecration.
Firstly, a detailed preliminary proposal should be set before the Apostolic See, so that, after the necessary faculty has been granted, the detailed working out of the individual points of adaptation may proceed.
- Finally, if the participation of the faithful and their spiritual welfare require variations and profounder adaptations in order for the sacred celebration to correspond with the culture and traditions of the different nations, then Conferences of Bishops may propose these to the Apostolic See in accordance with article 40 of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy for introduction with the Apostolic See’s consent, especially in the case of nations to whom the Gospel has been more recently proclaimed.[Cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium 37-40] The special norms handed down by means of the Instruction on the Roman Liturgy and Inculturation[Cf. Varietates Legitimae 54, 62-69] should be attentively observed.As regards the procedures in this matter, these should be observed:
Once these proposals have been duly approved by the Apostolic See, experiments should be carried out for specified periods and at specified places. When the period of experimentation is concluded, the Conference of Bishops shall decide, if the case requires, upon pursuing the adaptations and shall submit a mature formulation of the matter to the judgment of the Apostolic See.[Cf. Varietates Legitimae 66-68]
- However, before proceeding to new adaptations, especially profounder ones, great care shall be taken to promote due instruction of the clergy and the faithful in a wise and orderly manner, so as to take advantage of the faculties already foreseen and to apply fully the pastoral norms in keeping with the spirit of the celebration.
I was just referring to clapping, which is not really a liturgical abuse. It is simply inappropriate a lot of times.That’s not really true, unless your merely talking about parish administration. When it comes to the mass there are many many priests who abuse the liturgy by adding to/subtracting from the mass as they see fit.