Stephen168
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Which ball was dropped? Who dropped it? When was it dropped? When was it picked up again? Who picked it up? Who currently has the ball?
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zerinus
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Yes, I agree. The fact that you are asking questions suggests that you are seeking truth. And you know what the Lord said: “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you” (Matthew 7:7).
There are several answers to that. Although you seem to find those predictions convincing, there many people who don’t. Do you think you are smarter than they are? Did you know that most modern biblical scholars believe that many of those prophecies were written after the events had taken place? That includes the prophetic utterances of Moses which we have been discussing. How are you going to prove them wrong?
Yes, the Book of Mormon has plenty of such prophecies; but my guess is that you will find an excuse to disbelieve them. The Book of Mormon is a sacred history just like the Bible. It spans a period of about a thousand years. It contains many predictions which were fulfilled within its own historical setting—just as the Bible does. It also contains many great predictions about the coming of Christ. But you can dismiss all of that by tell me that if the Book of Mormon is modern work of fiction, all of that could have been invented by whoever had the imagination to write it! So how am I going to prove to you that those are real predictions? If you cared to read the Book of Mormon you would find that it contains plenty of predictions.
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zerinus
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The Lord some times likes to test us in those ways so see what kind of metal we are made of.I’d have to agree with your assessment, Marie. Thanks for speaking on my behalf!
I suppose I’d cry if I stopped trying to make myself laugh!
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spockrates
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zerinus
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The Holy Priesthood.
The early Christian Church.
In the first or second century.
In April 6 1830.
Joseph Smith and his associates.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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zerinus
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I agree! They also have good answers.Good questions, all!
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spockrates
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Yes, sir! And the disciple who He loved wrote this:
And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
(1 John 5:14-15)
So I suppose that all of my asking for wisdom is what caused me to find that the Bible was not as clear as I once thought it was. Perhaps this realization of the ambiguity of Christ’s words was the wisdom the Holy Ghost gave me? Do you think that, apart from the guidance the Holy Ghost gave you, you might have as hard a time as I am having trying to figure out what Jesus actually meant?
Smarter? No. Non-partisan? Perhaps. I find that very few people I meet are truly seeking truth, for they believe they already have it. I used to be like that, until I began living the life of a philosopher, or seeker of truth. Socrates words say it better than I can:
Now, the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. And the difference between him and me at the present moment is merely this—that whereas he seeks to convince his hearers that what he says is true, I am rather seeking to convince myself; to convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me.
(Phaedo)
My guess is that those who say the books of the Old Testament were written after the fact are partisan and believe they were written after the fact because they don’t believe predicting the future is possible. Besides, for every biblical scholar who believes as they do, there are more who believe the Bible is divine, rather than human, in origin. However, as I said before, if you have evidence that what the skeptics believe is true, I’m willing to consider it.
Yes, the Book of Mormon has plenty of such prophecies; but my guess is that you will find an excuse to disbelieve them. The Book of Mormon is a sacred history just like the Bible. It spans a period of about a thousand years. It contains many predictions which were fulfilled within its own historical setting—just as the Bible does. It also contains many great predictions about the coming of Christ. But you can dismiss all of that by tell me that if the Book of Mormon is modern work of fiction, all of that could have been invented by whoever had the imagination to write it! So how am I going to prove to you that those are real predictions? If you cared to read the Book of Mormon you would find that it contains plenty of predictions.
I would very much like to hear some of the prophecies! Will you share with me one that you find most convincing? (If you give me chapter and verse, I can look it up. If I cannot find my copy of the Book of Mormon, here, I’ll try to find one online.)
Stephen168
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I’m not sure what you mean by living the life of a philosopher. I’ve lived the life of a Christian and have recently read a few books on philosophy. They have never taking me away from Christianity. I have also read many books on Christian history and they have never taken me away from the Catholic Church. In fact, it seems a few philosophers converted to the Catholic Church. History tells me what and philosophy tells me why. The other thing I’ve noticed is philosophy is big on defining terms and rational thinking, it sharpens your mind. If you review post #364, I think you will notice the vagueness if the answers. Not the answers of a philosopher. By changing a ‘who’ to a ‘what’ the vagueness borders on deception. I believe philosophy will lead you to atheism or the Catholic Church.
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Precisely, they morph into what ever they think will work.
But this is about the Eucharist. What about who is God? If that is not right according to the Christian faith then everything after that…well, where can we really go from there? The argument starts on sand, you therefore can sink in it.
If you can’t get “who is Jesus right” Why would we argue anything past that point?
If we started with who do you say he is, as He himself asked “ who do you say I am”
I am saying if He comes first in your life, if He becomes the center of your life, your God and your Creator than it would be a lot easier discussing the Eucharist, how it can give us life etc…
But if you do not believe that Jesus is God the eternal Son in the Christian sense than why would He give us His body and Blood to eat? That would be crazy right?
Augustine wrote this yes, but if he were to write it to one of the Lds faith is might read
“They abstain from the Eucharist because they do not profess that Jesus is the only Eternal Son of God. , flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.”
See what I mean? One has to come before the other I believe.
During the first part of the RCIA, the inquiry its all about who is Jesus to you, then it moves on slowly from there.
I like to think of how He fed the multitudes with a little fish and bread. How He feeds the multitudes with His Body and Blood today. It very much our Spiritual food. It always sinks in more when one has gone to confession before one eats of it. Not because it makes us a better breed of people which you and I both know we are not, rather we can really understand, sense how much our Lord and God Jesus has done for us. How much love He has for us. In spite of ourselves .
When I was learning the Catholic faith 11 years ago in Northern Utah it was the realization that Jesus has always loved me as I am that was fascination to me. That He would not come to me to love me more when I would become a better person. No He came to me as nothing more than a sinner like the rest. How cam you not fall in love with a God like this? This is also a common bond I see in those learning about this faith, but mostly it is a common bond of the Saints of the Church as well.
In Christ
Rich
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zerinus
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Let me quote you another verse by John which might interest you:
1 John 2:
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
“Unction” is the same as anointing. The anointing referred to here means the anointing of the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is such a powerful revelator that if you have it, you don’t need to ask any questions. It will tell you all that you need to know.
Give us some examples.
Now, the partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions. And the difference between him and me at the present moment is merely this—that whereas he seeks to convince his hearers that what he says is true, I am rather seeking to convince myself; to convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me.
(Phaedo)
But make sure you don’t fall into the trap that Paul described (prophecied!): “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth”
(2 Timothy 3:7).
I wouldn’t be so sure about that.
I gave you one example in post #358. If you want more here is another:
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Marie5890
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Spockrates,
What is your view on what faith is?
Do you need to find truth that requires no faith on your part?
Perhaps you are more of a closet atheist and not a closet catholic and just haven’t accepted that fact about yourself?
What is your view on what faith is?
Do you need to find truth that requires no faith on your part?
Perhaps you are more of a closet atheist and not a closet catholic and just haven’t accepted that fact about yourself?
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ParkerD
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Thank you, Parker, for saying so. I suppose there is a kind of art to creating different ways to ask the same question, which is, “Why?” But discovering why something is true is better than merely being told what is true and never knowing why, I’ve experienced. If I never learned from Socrates to ask why someone believed, I’d never know why I should believe, too. If I only asked what to believe, I’d still be an Evangelical and never bother to ask Mormons or Catholics why I should believe any differently. And you, or Marie, or anyone would never have the opportunity to reason with me. You see?
Well, I don’t think you are saying that it is wrong to ask questions, for you are trying to answer mine. What I think you are saying is that the goal of asking questions should be to find the truth, rather than find a way to avoid what is true. I’d have to agree with you! And I tell you the truth, my goal is to seek wisdom (AKA truth). As Socrates said of genuine philosophers (not their stoic impostors):
Wise, I may not call them, for that name is too great and belongs to God alone. “Lovers of Wisdom,” or philosophers, would be a more harmonious and befitting title.
(Phaedrus)
The word philosopher actually means a lover of wisdom.
Still, even though I’m sincerely seeking to know what is true, I might be going about it the wrong way. Please tell me how do you know my questions are resulting in my avoiding, rather than finding, the truth. Which of these possibilities do you think explains how you know?
*]The Bible or the Book of Mormon or some other authoritative book indicates that asking questions on a discussion forum is not a good way to discern the truth
*]Some religious authority indicates that asking questions on a discussion forum is not a good way to discern the truth
*]Reason tells you that answering questions on a discussion forum is not a good way to discern the truth
*]A witness of the Holy Spirit tells you that asking questions on a discussion forum is not the way to discern the truth
Perhaps your answer to this question might show me how to know which way to go to find the One who I seek.
Socrates, like Christ, had many enemies because he revealed the truth about them that they did not want others to know. Many told scandalous lies about him, as did the enemies of Christ slander our Lord, and as did (I’ve heard) the enemies of Joseph Smith tell lies about him, too.
I’ve read all of Plato’s dialogs, and have found no evidence of him doing such a cruel thing to anyone. In fact, he spent a good deal of his time discussing with others the subject of virtue, and seeking the truth of what is the moral way to live. It was Socrates who said:
Whereas, the truth is that God is never in any way unrighteous—he is perfect in righteousness. He of us who is the most righteous is of all things most like him. Herein is seen the cleverness of man, and also his nothingness and want of manhood. For, to know this is true wisdom and virtue, and ignorance of this is manifest folly and vice.
(Theaetetus, 176)
However, I’m willing to look at your evidence for believing he committed such a sin. Please cite your source so I can investigate it myself.
I’d certainly be willing to continue our private message discussion about Acts, chapter 8, here in the public forum if you believe it will help me see how to see the truth. Please tell me how my virtual conversation with you here is so different from Philip’s face-to-face conversation with the man seeking the truth about the writings of Isiah.
Blessings to you, too! Naaman did follow the advice of the prophet of God, and was cured of his leprosy, after his friends reasoned with him that (1) the prophet was an authority he could trust to know when God intended to do a miracle, and (2) the worst that could happen by taking a bath in the Jordan river was that he’d still be diseased. Thanks to his friends, he was cured. My hope is that I will be cured by following the good advice of a new friend, such as yourself. What advice do you have for me?
Spockrates,
As you are aware, I answered part of your questions in a private message (noting that for the benefit of other readers), and will answer simply:
A “messenger” needs to have been sent by God, in order for God (through the Holy Spirit) to ratify and confirm the truthfulness of the message. In order to have been sent by God, the message should match how God has shown, in the Bible, that He sends messages, and that is one of two ways–either by being in the physical presence with eye to eye contact between the person taught and the person(s) doing the teaching (I wrote about that before, noting it involves more senses than the sense of sight only); or by reading the message that has been authorized and sent by Him for that specific person or group of people. I have written to you about each of those means, and Zerinus confirmed one of them for you as well. My role is a “preparer of the way”, only.
The reason I made mention of the experience of Naaman is not only that he “followed the advice”, but that he came to realize that he needed to do exactly what he had been bidden to do, and thus exercise faith even though he may have had his doubts. He followed the “Lord’s way”, and not “his own way” of getting the answer and blessing he sought.
You know more about Socrates and his life, by far, than do I, so I defer to your knowledge and withdraw the story I had heard from some teacher or other during my youth. But pure and fervent desire is the necessary precursor to gaining either faith, conviction, or revealed knowledge.
Peace to you and your family.
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ParkerD
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TheosisM,
I suppose you may notice that following our brief discussion, a Catholic reader posted the specific reference from Ignatius, within a few posts. I had read it before, and read it again Saturday morning as I followed the link that Jay53 cited. I was gone all day after having posted my early-on comments. I think it is very significant that Ignatius made mention of the fact that some were “abstaining” and the reason why.
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ParkerD
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Marie5890,
I am not trying to change your belief, not to “justify” mine, but I will try and explain why I am satisfied that the Holy Spirit has confirmed to me that when Paul wrote, in 1 Corinthians 11:24-25, “this do in remembrance of me” and “as ye drink it, in remembrance of me,” that he was writing what the Savior had taught and what He meant as He taught about the Lord’s supper, which Paul called “communion”.
If one is reading John 6, they should definitely read the entire chapter and it will become very clear that Jesus was telling the Jews that He is and that He provides the “bread of life” and the “water of life” (see v. 35 and v. 33). (See also John 4:14 regarding water, and Isaiah 55:1-3, and Deuteronomy 8:3)
Verses 38-48 are extremely significant verses in John 6:
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
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47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
48 I am that bread of life.
A reader can appreciate and understand that Jesus is telling the Jews that He is the “bread of life” who was sent from God to lift (“raise”) mankind up to God. How does He do that? Through the atonement and the resurrection, which He was sent here to provide for all of mankind.
Jesus had not yet presented the Lord’s supper to His apostles nor talked about it at all, yet here in John 6 He was telling that He is the bread of life and later that “whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” (v. 54) Verse 51 notes that “the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
How will He do that–give His flesh “for the life of the world”? (the entire world!) He will do it by giving His life and His body and His blood for the world, by suffering the atonement and the crucifixion.
He has announced to the Jews that He is the Savior of the world, and that to participate fully in His saving grace, one must “eat” and “drink” from Him and use His atoning grace by believing in Him and doing His Father’s will so that they “live by Him.” (v. 57) To live by Him is to gain everlasting life or eternal life.
Jesus fulfilled the meaning of Isaiah 55:1-3 by providing these teachings to the Jews. “Hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
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Marie5890
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Parker thanks for sharing your interpretation of John 6 and how you understand it.
Spockrates, veil in Parker’s post (#371) is an invitation/suggestion that you meet with Mormon missionaries.
You may want to consider that in your quest. However they wont be as versed in the Bible as you are so you may not find an end to your frustrations in that sense.
They will however, gladly bear their testimonies to you of the BoM being the word of God and how JSmith was a prophet.
It may be something to consider as you wade thru your struggles.
Just a thought.
Missionaries are very eager and earnest people.
Spockrates, veil in Parker’s post (#371) is an invitation/suggestion that you meet with Mormon missionaries.
You may want to consider that in your quest. However they wont be as versed in the Bible as you are so you may not find an end to your frustrations in that sense.
They will however, gladly bear their testimonies to you of the BoM being the word of God and how JSmith was a prophet.
It may be something to consider as you wade thru your struggles.
Just a thought.
Missionaries are very eager and earnest people.
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spockrates
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Zerinus:
Yes, sorry; missed this one. I’ll look it up, and read it in context, and let you know what I discover and if I have any questions.
Thank you!
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1 But behold, there shall be many—at that day when I shall proceed to do a marvelous work among them, that I may remember my covenants which I have made unto the children of men, that I may set my hand again the second time to recover my people, which are of the house of Israel;
2 And also, that I may remember the promises which I have made unto thee, Nephi, and also unto thy father, that I would remember your seed; and that the words of your seed should proceed forth out of my mouth unto your seed; and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel;
3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the bisles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.
12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
13 And it shall come to pass that the aJews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in cone. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.
(2 Nephi 29)
Please tell me, Zerinus, to what prophecy are you referring? The prophecy that Gentiles will say they have only one Bible (verses 1-5)? or the prophecy that the Jewish people would return to the land God gave them (verse 14)?
2 And also, that I may remember the promises which I have made unto thee, Nephi, and also unto thy father, that I would remember your seed; and that the words of your seed should proceed forth out of my mouth unto your seed; and my words shall hiss forth unto the ends of the earth, for a standard unto my people, which are of the house of Israel;
3 And because my words shall hiss forth—many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible.
4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles?
5 O ye Gentiles, have ye remembered the Jews, mine ancient covenant people? Nay; but ye have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. But behold, I will return all these things upon your own heads; for I the Lord have not forgotten my people.
6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the bisles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
11 For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them; for out of the books which shall be written I will judge the world, every man according to their works, according to that which is written.
12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
13 And it shall come to pass that the aJews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
14 And it shall come to pass that my people, which are of the house of Israel, shall be gathered home unto the lands of their possessions; and my word also shall be gathered in cone. And I will show unto them that fight against my word and against my people, who are of the house of Israel, that I am God, and that I covenanted with Abraham that I would remember his seed forever.
(2 Nephi 29)
Please tell me, Zerinus, to what prophecy are you referring? The prophecy that Gentiles will say they have only one Bible (verses 1-5)? or the prophecy that the Jewish people would return to the land God gave them (verse 14)?
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zerinus
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I was referring to both! I thought you were looking for examples of prophecies in the Book of Mormon, so any example will do. The second part of the prophecy was not just about the “Jews returning”. It is about the restoration of all the house of Israel to the gospel—and to their lands of inheritance. The Jews are only one tribe out of twelve. One of the purposes of the Book of Mormon is to accomplish that. It brings them to the “knowledge of the covenant of their fathers,” and that they are not “cast off forever,” but that as prophesied in the Bible as well as in the Book of Mormon, God will someday restore them to that inheritance from which they had fallen because of their former sins.
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spockrates
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Stephen:
I think you are quite correct in saying that philosophy will lead one either closer to God or further away. When Socrates described what a philosopher is, he said this:
Wise I would not call him, for that title is too great, and belongs to God alone. Lover of Wisdom, or philosopher, is a more accurate and befitting title.
(Phaedrus)
Socrates, who was the Father of Philosophy, put it clearly and concisely: A philosopher is one who loves truth (the word philosopher, in Greek, roughly translates as “one of Wisdom’s lovers”), and knows that God is the source of truth, and understands seeking truth and seeking God as one and the same experience. How one goes about finding truth and God is a matter of personal practice. To me, Socrates method of prayer for wisdom, and being humble to admit he does not know the truth about a great deal of things, and being humble to admit that God alone is wise, and being humble to believe that God can speak to him through others by asking others questions, is the most reliable way of seeking truth. Or at least this Socratic Method helps me discover what is fales and gets me closer to the truth by way of a process of elimination.
Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
–Spock (Star Trek 2009)
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spockrates
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Yes, I agree that both are prophecies! Thank you!
Regarding the second prediction of the future, was it not already in the Bible before Joseph Smith received the Book of Mormon? Regarding the first, was it not a prediction of the future already known and experienced by Joseph Smith?
I find a third prophecy:
12 For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it.
13 And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews.
I’m guessing that the Nephites are those Jewish people who crossed the Atlantic and landed in the Americas, and that these people were visited by Jesus Christ (please correct me if I’m wrong). Are there any surviving copies of these writings of the Nephites? Such evidence would do as much to boost my faith in the Book of Mormon as the Dead Sea Scrolls did to boost my faith in the Book of Isaiah, I believe.
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