Clear definition?

[thinkandmull]

I think the devil tries to confuse people. The UN says there are seven genders, and the devil may be trying to influence biology to make a half man half woman. If a person, as Vico says, can have both XX and XY chromosomes together, it seems that the mark the determines what sex the person is is which reproductive part is functional. If neither, I don’t see how that person can be a priest or get married

 

[thinkandmull]

Hinduism is fluid when it comes to genders in their gods. Islam doesn’t have as strong of
a natural law as Christians. If a person was born with XX chormosomes and had a male
genital that could reproduce, then either genes or the organ determines what sex the
person is. But if a second person was born with both functioning genitals we would have
to say that the genes are the determining factor. If a person is born with XX an XY
chromosomes, then the genes are cannot be said to be the factor. So we have a
contradiction. If a third person was born with XX and XY and two functioning gentitals
then natural law theology goes up in flames. I am just trying to draw the line beyond
which theology says biology cannot go

 

[thinkandmull]

Maybe if someone was born a man and a woman, we would have to say that one is dominant and science could eventually tell us which one it is

 

[Vico]

Hinduism is fluid when it comes to genders in their gods. Islam doesn’t have as strong of a natural law as Christians. If a person was born with XX chromosomes and had a male genital that could reproduce, then either genes or the organ determines what sex the person is. But if a second person was born with both functioning genitals we would have to say that the genes are the determining factor. If a person is born with XX an XY chromosomes, then the genes are cannot be said to be the factor. So we have a contradiction. If a third person was born with XX and XY and two functioning genitals then natural law theology goes up in flames. I am just trying to draw the line beyond which theology says biology cannot go

There are no cases of dual functioning reproductive systems. Also there may be sex chromosome mosaicism, meaning multiple and different chromosomes.

The sex chromosomes are not the only factor. Some people are resistant to testosterone. There is never a functional male without sensitivity to testosterone.

 

[thinkandmull]

Ye this is starting to make more sense to me biologically. The Church will need to start defining some of this infallibly, with science trying to defy natural law through new methods. I am not so sure a clone would have a human soul. I mean what if they changed the genes of a monkey into human genes? Then we would have to say the genes alone weren’t sufficient for human souls. A clone does not have two parents

 

[Vico]

Ye this is starting to make more sense to me biologically. The Church will need to start defining some of this infallibly, with science trying to defy natural law through new methods. I am not so sure a clone would have a human soul. I mean what if they changed the genes of a monkey into human genes? Then we would have to say the genes alone weren’t sufficient for human souls. A clone does not have two parents

The Church already teaches that:

• The rational soul is per se the essential form of the body.
• Every human being possesses an individual soul.

The Catholic Church teaches that cloning and the process of “in vitro” fertilization which it uses are immoral.

 

[thinkandmull]

so far the church has only taught that those with two parents are human like us

 

[mikekle]

Ye this is starting to make more sense to me biologically. The Church will need to start defining some of this infallibly, with science trying to defy natural law through new methods. I am not so sure a clone would have a human soul. I mean what if they changed the genes of a monkey into human genes? Then we would have to say the genes alone weren’t sufficient for human souls. A clone does not have two parents

Ah, but if science were to eventually create a human clone, that did not have 2 human parents, that ‘entity’ would also not be cursed with original sin either, so it would be interesting to see what a being like this would be like in existence, but something tells me, it would not be good.

Although in reality, I highly doubt God would mankind to reach such a level where we are actually able to create a ‘life’, and by life, I mean a being similar to us, one that breathes air, has to drink and eat, etc…look at how God intervened with the tower of Babel, when those folks tried to ‘find their own way’ into heaven, God threw a wrench into their plans…somehow I think if we ever got close to this ability, he would do the same and likely ‘confuse’ us again, in some way.

 

[Vico]

Ah, but if science were to eventually create a human clone, that did not have 2 human parents, that ‘entity’ would also not be cursed with original sin either, so it would be interesting to see what a being like this would be like in existence, but something tells me, it would not be good.

Although in reality, I highly doubt God would mankind to reach such a level where we are actually able to create a ‘life’, and by life, I mean a being similar to us, one that breathes air, has to drink and eat, etc…look at how God intervened with the tower of Babel, when those folks tried to ‘find their own way’ into heaven, God threw a wrench into their plans…somehow I think if we ever got close to this ability, he would do the same and likely ‘confuse’ us again, in some way.

Since the gift of sancfitying grace and the preternatural gifts that Adam and Eve had were not natural possessions, they are not naturally present at conception.