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StJosephPrayForUs
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Note: it may sound similar but this has nothing to do with the current trans issues, and some trans people consider it transphobic. I am only wondering what the Church teaches on this, so I can go forward and do whatever. God bless, please pray to St. Joseph
Definition I am using when I use the word “sex”: describing reproductive roles, male and female, sperm and eggs, found across physical nature in various animals and plants, including humans. Not found in anything spiritual like souls, angels, God and other beings similar. Strictly biological and in the matter of our bodies, nothing more
Definition I use when I say gender: the socially constructed roles and stereotypes places on humans in one of the two sexes, examples being “males are aggresive, logical, like blue, like trucks, and metal music” or “females are emotional, like pink, like self-adornment and Beyonce”. In addition to this gender is usually considered masculine or feminine (I am speaking from 21st century USA culture here, what has been or is being done with third genders elsewhere is not the interest of this post)
Last definition: a “woman” is a female human who has feminine gender expectations imposed on them, a “man” is a male human who has masculine gender expectations imposed on them. They may or may not agree with the social imposition and describe themselves with it, doesn’t matter.
The QUESTION: May a Catholic cleanly split gender and sex without sin? That is to say, under NO circumstances assume that a male or female human being fits into or should fit into the social expectations of their sex called gender. PRACTICALLY in a world where this was done a male human would not be seen as doing some social transgression and being less of a male for wearing a dress, doing everyday makeup, etc, because such things would not be considered inherently expected of only females. People would express themselves in anyway fit, and expecting males and females to act of present in a certain way would be abolished (knowledge of a person’s sex would only tell you things like “they can probably get pregnant” and so on, not things like “they should act in xyz ways”)
More radically, can a Catholic think gender stereotypes/expectations should not exjst, and actively seek their destruction. NOTE: this is not abolishing “sex” differences, as they cannot be, they are as real as gravity, but only the IDEA that a person of a certain sex should fit a stereotype, or else they are doing something wrong
None of this has to do with things like the priesthood btw, since it forbids females, a sex not a gender, from joining it.
If this is not acceptable, does it mean that the Church holds to biological essentialism? That is: because a person is female it is only natural for them to like xyz, same for males. I do not think the Church holds to this because 1) it is stupid and absurd to hold stereotypes as if they are eternal maxims of the natural law 2) said stereotypes change, and the Church is eternal and is concerned in its doctrines with eternal things, not the petty details of what colors male infants are supposed to be wrapped in.
Of course I could be wrong, therefore I ask.Thank you
Definition I am using when I use the word “sex”: describing reproductive roles, male and female, sperm and eggs, found across physical nature in various animals and plants, including humans. Not found in anything spiritual like souls, angels, God and other beings similar. Strictly biological and in the matter of our bodies, nothing more
Definition I use when I say gender: the socially constructed roles and stereotypes places on humans in one of the two sexes, examples being “males are aggresive, logical, like blue, like trucks, and metal music” or “females are emotional, like pink, like self-adornment and Beyonce”. In addition to this gender is usually considered masculine or feminine (I am speaking from 21st century USA culture here, what has been or is being done with third genders elsewhere is not the interest of this post)
Last definition: a “woman” is a female human who has feminine gender expectations imposed on them, a “man” is a male human who has masculine gender expectations imposed on them. They may or may not agree with the social imposition and describe themselves with it, doesn’t matter.
The QUESTION: May a Catholic cleanly split gender and sex without sin? That is to say, under NO circumstances assume that a male or female human being fits into or should fit into the social expectations of their sex called gender. PRACTICALLY in a world where this was done a male human would not be seen as doing some social transgression and being less of a male for wearing a dress, doing everyday makeup, etc, because such things would not be considered inherently expected of only females. People would express themselves in anyway fit, and expecting males and females to act of present in a certain way would be abolished (knowledge of a person’s sex would only tell you things like “they can probably get pregnant” and so on, not things like “they should act in xyz ways”)
More radically, can a Catholic think gender stereotypes/expectations should not exjst, and actively seek their destruction. NOTE: this is not abolishing “sex” differences, as they cannot be, they are as real as gravity, but only the IDEA that a person of a certain sex should fit a stereotype, or else they are doing something wrong
None of this has to do with things like the priesthood btw, since it forbids females, a sex not a gender, from joining it.
If this is not acceptable, does it mean that the Church holds to biological essentialism? That is: because a person is female it is only natural for them to like xyz, same for males. I do not think the Church holds to this because 1) it is stupid and absurd to hold stereotypes as if they are eternal maxims of the natural law 2) said stereotypes change, and the Church is eternal and is concerned in its doctrines with eternal things, not the petty details of what colors male infants are supposed to be wrapped in.
Of course I could be wrong, therefore I ask.Thank you
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