Clerical names

[MarcusAndreas]

From what I understand, Orthodox clerics take a name on ordination, is this commonly practiced among Greek Catholics?

 

[JamestheOlder]

From what I understand, Orthodox clerics take a name on ordination, is this commonly practiced among Greek Catholics?

Even among some Latin clerics. We have a friend with an almost (to Americans) unpronounceable first name, who, when ordained, was ordained under his Confirmation name. That is how he is known (with his original last name) throughout the diocese.

Also, Franciscan novices were given new names by which they were known from that time on…usually Franciscan saints’ names.

 

[Aramis]

From what I understand, Orthodox clerics take a name on ordination, is this commonly practiced among Greek Catholics?

Most of the Orthodox clerics I’ve met (about 30) go by their legal names; a few have changed their legal name to their chrismation name. Most have the same chrismation name as legal.

They are always ordained using their chrismation name… but then again, I’ve not met Orthodox monastics up here, and they are said to take a new name upon profession, much as the Franciscans do.

Then again, I’ve met several Catholic priests whose clergy card has a different name from their legal name, and notes also their legal name.

 

[Volodymyr]

From what I understand, Orthodox clerics take a name on ordination, is this commonly practiced among Greek Catholics?

I think you confused monastic name given at time of the small schima. Not all monks are ordained but all receive at this point new name. There are 4 levels of Othodox monastics, and five promises - the first is promise made at baptism to reject Satana. Four levels are 1. Obedience Poslushnik who makes only vow of obedience
2. Robe wearing inok - wear robes but not mantiya.
3. Small schima monk - makes 4 vows of obedience to starets, celibat,poverty and constant prayer. During liturgy given new name. Rejects world.
4. Great scima monk. radical taking of all 5 promises, rejecting world. Lives in cell or cave often alone. Not all monks do this.
Because only small scima monks become bishops maybe you believed new name was from ordination but from what can call schimatation.

Married priests called white clergy keep their baptismal and family name. These are what you call parish priests.

 

[ciero]

I think you confused monastic name given at time of the small schima. Not all monks are ordained but all receive at this point new name. There are 4 levels of Othodox monastics, and five promises - the first is promise made at baptism to reject Satana. Four levels are 1. Obedience Poslushnik who makes only vow of obedience
2. Robe wearing inok - wear robes but not mantiya.
3. Small schima monk - makes 4 vows of obedience to starets, celibat,poverty and constant prayer. During liturgy given new name. Rejects world.
4. Great scima monk. radical taking of all 5 promises, rejecting world. Lives in cell or cave often alone. Not all monks do this.
Because only small scima monks become bishops maybe you believed new name was from ordination but from what can call schimatation.

Married priests called white clergy keep their baptismal and family name. These are what you call parish priests.

Have you not heard of a schema-bishop? Of course monks in the great schema can become bishops…In the Greek tradition all monks are given the Great Schema (no small schema) so any bishop would also be in the Great Schema…there are a number of Russian Saints who were Schema Bishops.

As far as the original post…I know of a number of Melkite clergy who have taken “new” names at the time of their ordination. Some at the ordination to deacon, some at the ordination to the priesthood. This is especially done if their given name is not a saints name.

 

[Volodymyr]

Have you not heard of a schema-bishop? Of course monks in the great schema can become bishops…In the Greek tradition all monks are given the Great Schema (no small schema) so any bishop would also be in the Great Schema…there are a number of Russian Saints who were Schema Bishops.

As far as the original post…I know of a number of Melkite clergy who have taken “new” names at the time of their ordination. Some at the ordination to deacon, some at the ordination to the priesthood. This is especially done if their given name is not a saints name.

Maybe different in Greek church my friend. In russ and ukr church a great scima may not become a bishop or any other high level but a bishop can take great schima. He is then a schima bishop but must leave his church eparchy to live in a cell or cave!

 

[ciero]

Maybe different in Greek church my friend. In russ and ukr church a great scima may not become a bishop or any other high level but a bishop can take great schima. He is then a schima bishop but must leave his church eparchy to live in a cell or cave!

There are number of schema bishops from Valaam who still served as bishops even in the Great Schema…I do not have the time right now to dig out their names…maybe tomorrow.

 

[RCMico]

I am aware of an Antiochian priest who was chrismated into ROCOR from Episcopalianism. He took a new name at that time and now is know by his chrismation name and not his given name. This would make sense if Orthodox priests are always ordained by their chrismation name. I suspect like most things Orthodox and Eastern Catholic the answer is it varies.