Clinical Death - Experiences of Hell

[fred_conty]

Has the Church ruled that any of these are “worthy of belief”?

If not, I would stay away from them, the same for any apparition that has not been approved.

David, yes both Fatima in Portugal and Lourdes France have been approved officially by the Church as worthy of belief. And I believe both have days of commeration in the year when Mass is celebrated in their memory. There are other private appearances as well that have been approved. However none of these have any new teaching to offer that isn’t already been divinely revealed. Their value is not in new doctrine, but usually a plea for prayer for the world or poor sinners because of what is taking place in the current world. Usually accompaning these appearances are miracles of some kind so that everyone will belive the message that was presented. These appearances are for everyone’s benefit, both spiritual and material. There are others besides catholics who acknowledge them

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I was also speaking about what this thread is about. Clinical Death, those who supposedly died and had a vision of Hell. These are also sometimes called near death experiences.

Some of them also claim to have an experience of Heaven, or of some different type of after life.

I do not believe that any of these such experiences have been approved by the Church in any way.

 

[BlueShadow123]

I have posted some videos a while ago on some other thread. Some of the experiences might be real, the others are already explained by science.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

I have posted some videos a while ago on some other thread. Some of the experiences might be real, the others are already explained by science.

My own experience is the opposite, My father died, and appeared in my room.

At the end of the exchange, which opened with an apology by him, and closed with his terrifying scream just before he disappeared, it was quite clear he was trying to ward something off which was coming to claim him. Now that was in january 1979, and I still remember the scream.

It needs to be noted that the person who came to tell me my father had died was my mother’s brother, my uncle. He lived in Brighton, for the sake of the next segment. He also died later that same year due to liver cancer, which he didn’t know he had at the time.

I had a peculiar anecdote to this. About 3 years or so ago I was arguing with atheists on a Google site about the topic of NDE’s, which is what this forum is about. And of course I was getting nowhere. Due to the experience above I tend to be more sympathetic to NDE"s than most, and it goes without saying the atheists insisted they were either “off their meds”, hallucinating, or whatever.

**So I prayed I might meet someone who’d had an NDE.
**
About two or three days later I was driving a Maxi Taxi (minibus with wheelchair fittings). I was in a suburb called Boondall, when a job appeared on the screen for a Maxi Taxi at Brighton. I procrastinated (something I’m good at) as I thought another cab would be in the area anyway. But when it stayed there for five minutes, I went for it and got it.

It was for a job at Brighton at a nursing home called Eventide. When I got there I found a single bloke about my age, not in good health. He hadn’t wanted a Maxi, and had just about been ready to give up waiting when I arrived. Anyway we got going.

We’d only been going about three minutes when he suddenly remarked, “I’m one of those rare people.” I asked him what he was talking about and he said he’d been technically dead for ten minutes.

Since we were going to the Royal Brisbane Hospital, we had some time to talk.

But what got me was that he went to the same high school, and was in the same class as the eldest son of the very same man who came to tell me my own father had died.

Now I hadn’t even asked in the prayer for anything to tie the two events together, but I got it anyway.

So I think there’s more to NDE’s than the medical researchers would like to think. Especially when they try to tell us there’s no judgment to be feared.

If my father’s scream was anything to go by, hell is to be feared. And that’s why I don’t have any trouble accepting the vision at Fatima, considering there were two major miracles to endorse the apparition.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I thought no one could come out of Hell. How would they know its Hell in the first place?

Many Near-Death Experiences of Hell end up with Experiencers being delivered out of Hell by Jesus Christ and God. Usually by the Experiencer’s Calling upon God for Rescue. Atheists particularly tend to have experiences like that.
Good way to convert, too. So to speak.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

My own experience is the opposite, My father died, and appeared in my room.

At the end of the exchange, which opened with an apology by him, and closed with his terrifying scream just before he disappeared, it was quite clear he was trying to ward something off which was coming to claim him. Now that was in january 1979, and I still remember the scream.

It needs to be noted that the person who came to tell me my father had died was my mother’s brother, my uncle. He lived in Brighton, for the sake of the next segment. He also died later that same year due to liver cancer, which he didn’t know he had at the time.

I had a peculiar anecdote to this. About 3 years or so ago I was arguing with atheists on a Google site about the topic of NDE’s, which is what this forum is about. And of course I was getting nowhere. Due to the experience above I tend to be more sympathetic to NDE"s than most, and it goes without saying the atheists insisted they were either “off their meds”, hallucinating, or whatever.

**So I prayed I might meet someone who’d had an NDE.
**
About two or three days later I was driving a Maxi Taxi (minibus with wheelchair fittings). I was in a suburb called Boondall, when a job appeared on the screen for a Maxi Taxi at Brighton. I procrastinated (something I’m good at) as I thought another cab would be in the area anyway. But when it stayed there for five minutes, I went for it and got it.

It was for a job at Brighton at a nursing home called Eventide. When I got there I found a single bloke about my age, not in good health. He hadn’t wanted a Maxi, and had just about been ready to give up waiting when I arrived. Anyway we got going.

We’d only been going about three minutes when he suddenly remarked, “I’m one of those rare people.” I asked him what he was talking about and he said he’d been technically dead for ten minutes.

Since we were going to the Royal Brisbane Hospital, we had some time to talk.

But what got me was that he went to the same high school, and was in the same class as the eldest son of the very same man who came to tell me my own father had died.

Now I hadn’t even asked in the prayer for anything to tie the two events together, but I got it anyway.

So I think there’s more to NDE’s than the medical researchers would like to think. Especially when they try to tell us there’s no judgment to be feared.

If my father’s scream was anything to go by, hell is to be feared. And that’s why I don’t have any trouble accepting the vision at Fatima, considering there were two major miracles to endorse the apparition.

Awesome report, Bob!!!

Mind-Blowing Coincidence, as well.

Do you by any chance pray that your Father is NOT in the “Bad Place?”

 

[TedDC]

More are available here:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-683189229256568023#

I’ve previously seen the Mickey Robinson video.

And don’t forget this one:
youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths

 

[Bob_Crowley]

Awesome report, Bob!!!

Mind-Blowing Coincidence, as well.

Do you by any chance pray that your Father is NOT in the “Bad Place?”

I don’t much, athough there are some Catholics of nicer character who keep trying to tell me he’s in Purgatory, despite the clear teaching of the church about the results of mortal sin (see CCC 1861).

I remember the scream, and I haven’t changed my mind. I was an atheist at the time by the way.

Even during the conversation at one stage he commented, “… it’s too late for me…”.

He did make a few predictions though, one of which was about the Moslems “… flying a couple of planes into a couple of buildings …” (no prizes for guessing what he was talking about there) and “… You’ll meet a pastor. You’ll think he’s great, but all he’ll do is discourage you even more.”

I sat in the pastor’s office about 13 years later (I met him nearly 4 years after my father died - late 19082) to have him say, “I owe you an apology. You needed encouragement, and all I’ve done is to discourage you even more.” I’d already told him about the business with my father, and I think he was always a bit suspicious where it came from, but he got a shock when I pointed out he’d just quoted my father back to me almost word for word.

So, as I said, I don’t have much trouble accepting NDE’s, although in typical cynical Australian fashion, I always take things with a grain of salt. I don’t accept such stories uncritically. But I don’t have any doubt they occur. Even when I visited the uncle mentioned above when he himself was dying in hospital, I remember him saying, “Grandmother’s over there” and he pointed up towards the wall-ceiling junction.

As he was hyped up on painkillers, and as I was still an atheist, I thought he was hallucinating (despite the incident with my father a few months before). But now I wonder. I think he may well have seen his grand-mother. He wasn’t very religious himself, although he was a good man. But his wife who predeceased him when their children were quite young had apparently been a very strong Catholic (And I have an eerie story there too, but that’s for another day). So maybe her prayers and intercession might have had a positive impact on his situation.

Personally I think my father made his own choice, and was more than willing to make it, since he thought he hadn’t been seen. Otherwise we’d have to pray for **everyone **in Hell, since many of them would have no-one left to pray for them, and quite possibly a lot of them never had much chance or encouragement to hear the Gospel in the first place eg. other cultures, kids from criminal or disfunctional families, people who lived their entire lives in atheist regimes (as the North Koreans do now for example).

 

[mountaintop]

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The Lake of Fire gets its own reference all by itself in Revelation. It is not Hell.

Hell exists now. As I said, Mary turned up at Fatima, with 2 miracles as proof (the spinning dancing sun, and the abrupt drying of clothes and ground of the onlookers after days of rain, requiring the equivalent energy of a 2 megaton explosion), and showed the 3 children the vision of Hell, with 70,000 witnesses.

You’ll note by the way when Mary does show up, it is in keeping with Christ’s comment that “I thank you Father, that you have revealed these things to children (ie. the simple), and hidden them from the wise and the learned.”

Lourdes 1858 - nearly illiterate shepherd girl named Bernadette Soubirous, now canonised, and whose incorrupt body can be seen. Many documented miraculous healings.

Fatima 1973 - 3 nearly illiterate children in a backwoods Portuguese village. With 2 major miracles.

Akita 1973 - Sister Sasagawa, deaf elderly nun. Weeping statue, smell of roses, bleeding hands.

And who do you think the woman in Genesis is? “I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your offspring and hers; he will strike at your head, and you will strike his heel.”

Who was the offspring? Christ of course.

Who was the ‘woman’? Mary of course.

What did Christ call Mary at the Wedding of Cana, when by challenging her son to perform his first miracle, she also started Him on his public ministry and later death and resurrection, to finally destroy the devil’s works?

“Woman.”

Who’s the "woman’ in the “portent in heaven” in Revelation 12?

Mary. And she’s been appearing over the last couple of centuries in particular, with miracles to boot, and with warnings. And one of them was the vision of hell, at Fatima.

Hence it already exists.

And there’s a lot of trouble coming too, by the sound of it. And it lines up with Scripture.

history repeats itself I have no idea what the 10 secrets of Marjorie are but I’ve read about the 10 plagues of Egypt. and the miracle of the sun still happens.

 

[fred_conty]

My own experience is the opposite, My father died, and appeared in my room.

At the end of the exchange, which opened with an apology by him, and closed with his terrifying scream just before he disappeared, it was quite clear he was trying to ward something off which was coming to claim him. Now that was in january 1979, and I still remember the scream.

It needs to be noted that the person who came to tell me my father had died was my mother’s brother, my uncle. He lived in Brighton, for the sake of the next segment. He also died later that same year due to liver cancer, which he didn’t know he had at the time.

I had a peculiar anecdote to this. About 3 years or so ago I was arguing with atheists on a Google site about the topic of NDE’s, which is what this forum is about. And of course I was getting nowhere. Due to the experience above I tend to be more sympathetic to NDE"s than most, and it goes without saying the atheists insisted they were either “off their meds”, hallucinating, or whatever.

**So I prayed I might meet someone who’d had an NDE.
**
About two or three days later I was driving a Maxi Taxi (minibus with wheelchair fittings). I was in a suburb called Boondall, when a job appeared on the screen for a Maxi Taxi at Brighton. I procrastinated (something I’m good at) as I thought another cab would be in the area anyway. But when it stayed there for five minutes, I went for it and got it.

It was for a job at Brighton at a nursing home called Eventide. When I got there I found a single bloke about my age, not in good health. He hadn’t wanted a Maxi, and had just about been ready to give up waiting when I arrived. Anyway we got going.

We’d only been going about three minutes when he suddenly remarked, “I’m one of those rare people.” I asked him what he was talking about and he said he’d been technically dead for ten minutes.

Since we were going to the Royal Brisbane Hospital, we had some time to talk.

But what got me was that he went to the same high school, and was in the same class as the eldest son of the very same man who came to tell me my own father had died.

Now I hadn’t even asked in the prayer for anything to tie the two events together, but I got it anyway.

So I think there’s more to NDE’s than the medical researchers would like to think. Especially when they try to tell us there’s no judgment to be feared.

If my father’s scream was anything to go by, hell is to be feared. And that’s why I don’t have any trouble accepting the vision at Fatima, considering there were two major miracles to endorse the apparition.

Hi, I was in the bedroom with my father when he passed away. He was elderly and was experiencing pain with his cancer. He had gone to daily mass and prayed the rosary every day as well. That evening we prepared him for bed and afterwards stayed with him for awhile. He looked like he had finally fallen asleep when suddenly he raised himself up in bed, stretched out his arms to the ceiling, opened his eyes widely, and then said the words, as he gazed upward, “JESUS”. He then dropped back upon the bed and expired. The words he had prayed so often “pray for us at the hour of our death” came back to him in his last moments. All of us must pray for one another and especially for those who most need our prayers for our dear Lord is always listening and answering. Thank you for sharing your expierence with us.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

Hi, I was in the bedroom with my father when he passed away. He was elderly and was experiencing pain with his cancer. He had gone to daily mass and prayed the rosary every day as well. That evening we prepared him for bed and afterwards stayed with him for awhile. He looked like he had finally fallen asleep when suddenly he raised himself up in bed, stretched out his arms to the ceiling, opened his eyes widely, and then said the words, as he gazed upward, “JESUS”. He then dropped back upon the bed and expired. The words he had prayed so often “pray for us at the hour of our death” came back to him in his last moments. All of us must pray for one another and especially for those who most need our prayers for our dear Lord is always listening and answering. Thank you for sharing your expierence with us.

Tha’ts interesting. My old Protestant pastor told a few of us a story about when he was a young pastor. He was visiting a godly old lady who was dying in hospital. She was comatose, and lying on her back, looking ravaged by disease. She was a member of his parish.

Suddenly, while he was there, she suddenly sat up, reached up like your father towards the ceiling / wall junction, cried “Jesus! I’m coming!” and then fell back dead. Apparently her features softened and she looked just like a young girl.

He said it was an eye-opener for a young pastor.

 

[Javl]

LutheranDK:

Add one more to the list that’s in the Bible; Lazarus and the rich man who is in Hell. This is actual and not an analogy. There is a Hell…it exists.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Barbkw]

On Bio - Dish channel - there’s a current program (Jan 2011) titled “I Survived Beyond and Back” or just “Beyond and Back” featuring the back from death experience.

biography.com/isurvived-beyond-and-back/

"A woman, who has drowned in her own blood after a car accident, finds herself in the presence of God.

biography.com/video.do?name=isurvivedbeyondandback&bcpid=676184205001&bclid=678146744001&bctid=678701574001

A pest control salesman, electrocuted by a 110 volt wire, miraculously survives the massive jolt.

biography.com/video.do?name=isurvivedbeyondandback&bcpid=676184205001&bclid=678146744001&bctid=678690860001

And a heart attack victim lives to tell of his experience in the afterlife. All three people’s lives are changed forever."

biography.com/video.do?name=isurvivedbeyondandback&bcpid=676184205001&bclid=678146744001&bctid=678701574001

 

[John_of_Woking]

Just belatedly reading this thread… Thanks for sharing your experiences Bob. Hearing your experience has certainly jolted me from my apathy . Glory to God.

 

[curtish1947]

Hi,

One of my most pleasant memories is related by my daughter.
It is of her non-genetic grandfather. She, my daughter, sometimes gets “White Dreams”.
Well,… this was no dream, if I recall correctly. She was presently; also fighting against some statements, by a religion that said there was no “Life after death.” .

In the end she says:

“I was sitting across from my opah. We were in the living room. He told me that he did not get a chance to say good-bye to me when he died. He said that he is being allowed to stay behind for awhile to say good-bye to those he loves. He said he had to go. (I think he gestured up.) She asked him, “Is that heaven?” He said he did not know.”

She continued to say, that instantly she knew there was life after death and this other group was lying to her.

I hope this helps.

 

[Wesley7]

For what its worth, these stories and experiences of hell are sobering and thought provoking.

 

[coco2]

I watched a few of these and I am wondering about the fact that none of them mentioned purgatory, hearing about purgatory or seeing it. The only near death experience that I heard about that mentioned purgatory was Catholic woman who was a dentist or something like that. Her last name is Polo, but I can’t remember her first name. Anyway, her account is just as frightening, but she also visited purgatory, where she saw her father. Anyway, I am just wondering why they weren’t shown purgatory, unless it was just the fact that Jesus wanted them to spread the message that hell exists.

 

[Javl]

I watched a few of these and I am wondering about the fact that none of them mentioned purgatory, hearing about purgatory or seeing it. The only near death experience that I heard about that mentioned purgatory was Catholic woman who was a dentist or something like that. Her last name is Polo, but I can’t remember her first name. Anyway, her account is just as frightening, but she also visited purgatory, where she saw her father. Anyway, I am just wondering why they weren’t shown purgatory, unless it was just the fact that Jesus wanted them to spread the message that hell exists.

Although purgatory actually exists, I don’t think it is necessary to show it once the fear of hell is given.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[John_of_Woking]

Anyway, I am just wondering why they weren’t shown purgatory, unless it was just the fact that Jesus wanted them to spread the message that hell exists.

I think that’s it exactly…which will make you sit up and take note more?:

Buck up your ideas or you’ll end in purgatory (I am sure most of us will anyway)
or Behave or else…cue visions of damned

 

[Robertanthony]

Coco2, her first name is Gloria. I read an English translation of her testimony not long ago, went to her website and realized that I’d missed her by about 10 days at a nearby church where she was giving her testimony. She’s also a vocal pro-life as opposed to her being pro-choice before her experience. Just this second I remember an interview by Mother Angelica with Father Steven Scheier, who died and escaped his sentence to hell because of Mary’s plea to her Son. He said he had no special devotion to Mary but was praying Hail Mary’s seconds before he “died”.