Cloning and resurrecting extinct animal species

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I’ve read science articles about the role of cloning and selective breeding to resurrect extinct animal species. The more likely candidates are the woolly mammoth, the thylacine and the Pyrenean ibex (this was attempted a few years ago but the clone survived only for a few minutes). Would it be a moral thing to correct what man and nature had done that led to these species extinction?:cool:
 
I’ve read science articles about the role of cloning and selective breeding to resurrect extinct animal species. The more likely candidates are the woolly mammoth, the thylacine and the Pyrenean ibex (this was attempted a few years ago but the clone survived only for a few minutes). Would it be a moral thing to correct what man and nature had done that led to these species extinction?:cool:
The morality or lack thereof would not depend on any supposed need to “correct what man and nature have done”. Rather, it would depend on whether cloning (of animals) itself is found to be moral or not.

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The morality or lack thereof would not depend on any supposed need to “correct what man and nature have done”. Rather, it would depend on whether cloning (of animals) itself is found to be moral or not.
How would one know if it’s moral?
 
How would one know if it’s moral?
A very good question…
Since the question is posed on a Catholic site, I can only suppose that the OP seeks a Catholic viewpoint. So they way a Catholic would know is by listening to the Church.
I am not aware if the Church has made any determination on the matter of cloning animals.

Now as for how a non-believer determines if it’s moral…I suppose that is another subject.

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I cant see anything immoral about cloning an extinct animal, as long as mankind doesnt get a ‘big head’ on their shoulders afterwards and then think they can create anything, including humans or hybrids! LOL

In fact, I just saw a news piece on some University in the US, that is attempting to create a dinosaur from a regular chicken, they took a regular chicken and somehow manipulated some of its DNA, apparently the dinosaur genes are still present in our birds DNA strands, (kind of weird it is still there but not being used), The lead scientist said their first task was bringing back the tail, then the teeth of a dinosaur, then the skin and texture of a dinosaur body, they do not exactly know whether most dinosaurs had reptile type skin or feathers/ fur, more like a modern bird.

The last step will be the size alteration, Im not sure how this is done, but Im not the expert! Im assuming they can change its DNA and wait for the results to surface,?

The way this scientist talked, it should take about 5-10 years before they have a living breathing dinosaur, but it will actually just be a chicken with certain chicken DNA re-activated and other chicken DNA de-activated.

Its all pretty interesting though, it will be very interesting to see a living breathing dinosaur walking the earth once more!!! I would pay alot of money to see such a thing actually!!
 
…didn’t God have a purpose making those animals go extinct?

Is man now in his arrogance going to rectify God’s “mistake”?
 
I cant see anything immoral about cloning an extinct animal, as long as mankind doesnt get a ‘big head’ on their shoulders afterwards and then think they can create anything, including humans or hybrids! LOL

In fact, I just saw a news piece on some University in the US, that is attempting to create a dinosaur from a regular chicken, they took a regular chicken and somehow manipulated some of its DNA, apparently the dinosaur genes are still present in our birds DNA strands, (kind of weird it is still there but not being used), The lead scientist said their first task was bringing back the tail, then the teeth of a dinosaur, then the skin and texture of a dinosaur body, they do not exactly know whether most dinosaurs had reptile type skin or feathers/ fur, more like a modern bird.

The last step will be the size alteration, Im not sure how this is done, but Im not the expert! Im assuming they can change its DNA and wait for the results to surface,?

The way this scientist talked, it should take about 5-10 years before they have a living breathing dinosaur, but it will actually just be a chicken with certain chicken DNA re-activated and other chicken DNA de-activated.

Its all pretty interesting though, it will be very interesting to see a living breathing dinosaur walking the earth once more!!! I would pay a lot of money to see such a thing actually!!
When it comes to this kind of thing - - I don’t really see the point.
Any morality issues aside, what benefit is to be derived? 🤷

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James
 
When it comes to this kind of thing - - I don’t really see the point.
Any morality issues aside, what benefit is to be derived? 🤷
I too don’t see the point. Though honestly I’ve not looked up into the potential for such capabilities. But often times one new capability can be discovered from some one that was looking into a seemingly unrelated field. Ex: 1930s it was discovered that magnets and radiowaves could make atoms give off more radiowaves (physics). This was applied to the medical field in the form of MRI. Wondering if this type of thing could lead to something else.
…didn’t God have a purpose making those animals go extinct?
Did he?
Is man now in his arrogance going to rectify God’s “mistake”?
What is it considered arrogant?
 
…didn’t God have a purpose making those animals go extinct?

Is man now in his arrogance going to rectify God’s “mistake”?
No mistake on God’s part.
Unless one wishes to claim full knowledge of the plan and knowledge that God’s purpose is somehow subverted.

I would think that cloning to bring back a species may be a great technical achievement.

But I wonder why we should.
 
…didn’t God have a purpose making those animals go extinct?

Is man now in his arrogance going to rectify God’s “mistake”?
Im not sure God made them go extinct…it could have been just a natural event that killed them off.

What purpose would God have in making these creatures go extinct anyway? I think most of the dinos died out from the meteor strike and the ones that survived the initial blast, died as a result of starvation, lack of food, and/or radiation poisoning from the fall out…So this appears to be a totally natural event.

Another thing, IF God had killed them off on purpose, I HIGHLY doubt he would allow mankind to come even close to re-creating such creatures… mankind is extremely close to this ability. I dont think God would allow man to get ‘too big for his britches’ and get to the point of actually being able to create life, just as God does.
 
Man and nature were responsible for the extinction of species. The Woolly Mammoth disappeared thousands of years ago due to climate change and hunting by humans (during the Pleistocene). The Thylacine or Tasmanian Tiger was hunted down to extinction by ranchers and farmers in Australia (the last one died in the 1930’s in a zoo) since they posed a threat to cattle and livestock. The Yangtze River Dolphin died out in 2002 due to severe pollution of the river. Scientists and conservationists who try to save and preserve threatened species or resurrect extinct ones are similar to what Noah had done before the floods (placed the animals in the ark before they drowned) and thereby saving them from extinction. He is considered as the first conservationist.
 
Man and nature were responsible for the extinction of species. The Woolly Mammoth disappeared thousands of years ago due to climate change and hunting by humans (during the Pleistocene). The Thylacine or Tasmanian Tiger was hunted down to extinction by ranchers and farmers in Australia (the last one died in the 1930’s in a zoo) since they posed a threat to cattle and livestock. The Yangtze River Dolphin died out in 2002 due to severe pollution of the river. Scientists and conservationists who try to save and preserve threatened species or resurrect extinct ones are similar to what Noah had done before the floods (placed the animals in the ark before they drowned) and thereby saving them from extinction. He is considered as the first conservationist.
Fair point - however there are some questions that maybe need answers.
Taking the examples you provide above…
The Tasmanian Tiger -
Is there some lack of balance in the eco-system that you believe the return of this animal might address?
Is the idea to return it to the wild? This would threaten to reintroduce the same dynamic that led to their extinction.
Is the idea to keep some in zoos or preserves? Then isn’t one guilty of simply recreating the species for one’s own amusement? Keeping it in an unnatural state?

With the Dolphin -
Similar dynamic as above - except that one can ask
a) If they are reintroduced to the same (cleaned up) river - has the niche they filled been filled by another animal? The Eco-system will have changed by their absence. Is it fair to the other creatures who DID/DO survive, to reintroduce this predator?
b) If you reintroduce them into another river (because the Yantse is still polluted) are you not artificially upsetting the balance of the current eco-system in that river?

With the Wooly Mammoth it becomes even trickier - -
Is it fair to recreate a species into a world that may well be extremely different than the one it lived in?
What are it’s dietary requirements? Would it be resistant to the germs in the modern world? Could you reintroduce it somewhere? What would THAT do to an ecosystem?
Someone mentioned cloning dinosaurs…how different is today’s ecosystem to that of the dinosaur?

I like your analogy to Noah…But when Noah released the animals it was into basically a blank slate and nature then took it’s course. What we have is quite different.

Understand - I am not saying that one should or should not do this thing…Just suggesting that there are serious questions that need to be answered.
I can tell you now that I would be against cloning an animal simply to keep in in some “unnatural” environment where their survival is wholly dependent on humans.
Yet - as pointed out above, reintroducing them to the wild has it’s own problems as is being seen with some other experiments with reintroductions.
To make comparison…
The American Bison - saved from extinction and now residing wild in Yellowstone National Park - regularly leaves the park in winter and encroaches on the surrounding “cattle country”. This causes economic problems for the surrounding ranchers.
How much more “range” would a herd of Woolly Mammoths need?
The reintroduction of wolves and coyotes has resulted healthy populations but also in increased attacks on domestic animals.

In your OP, you give the reason for cloning as correcting man’s mistake.
Frankly - I don’t see man as having sufficient wisdom to be able to do this without making other, and possibly worse - mistakes. Better to just accept that which has happened, and move forward.

Sorry - I didn’t mean to get so long winded.

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James
 
I’ve read science articles about the role of cloning and selective breeding to resurrect extinct animal species. The more likely candidates are the woolly mammoth, the thylacine and the Pyrenean ibex (this was attempted a few years ago but the clone survived only for a few minutes). Would it be a moral thing to correct what man and nature had done that led to these species extinction?:cool:
I can’t think of any reason why it would be wrong. Someone might think of something later, but it sounds OK to me.
…didn’t God have a purpose making those animals go extinct?

Is man now in his arrogance going to rectify God’s “mistake”?
You could say this about anything. “Didn’t God have a reason for giving people cancer? Is man now in his arrogance going to try to cure people?”

I say God gave us these scientific tools for a reason, too, and as long as we use them for good, there’s nothing wrong with it.
 
You could say this about anything. “Didn’t God have a reason for giving people cancer? Is man now in his arrogance going to try to cure people?”

I say God gave us these scientific tools for a reason, too, and as long as we use them for good, there’s nothing wrong with it.
Amen - - The hard part can sometimes be determining just what is “good” or not.🤷

What “Good” is to be found in cloning the animals in the OP?
For example: Cloning the Tasmanian Tiger and reintroducing it to it’s former range could/would be bad for the ranchers. Who would it be good for? The tiger itself, being extinct has no opinion on the matter -
Cloning the Tasmanian tiger to keep in some controlled environment (zoo or preserve) is keeping it in an unnatural state for that animal…is that a good thing?

The matter of cloning an older animal such as the Woolly Mammoth is even more problematic. Can we even be sure that it’s habitat still exists? 10,000 plus years is a long time. Is it “good” to bring an animal designed for one epoch to life in another epoch?

As I’m following this discussion - my thinking is more and more - “learn from our mistakes, yes. Try to correct them by cloning, no”.

Just some thoughts.

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James
 
I’ve read science articles about the role of cloning and selective breeding to resurrect extinct animal species. The more likely candidates are the woolly mammoth, the thylacine and the Pyrenean ibex (this was attempted a few years ago but the clone survived only for a few minutes). Would it be a moral thing to correct what man and nature had done that led to these species extinction?:cool:
I think the megafauna (large ancient relatives of typical modern wildlife) must have died because there wasn’t enough food available during the ice age to feed their massive bodies… But one thing we do not understand is why animals became so large during the Pleistocene period specifically…:confused: To resurrect these animals might give us a clearer understanding as to why DNA sought to increase size at that time. Perhaps it ‘knows’ that larger is stronger, and that the stronger survives… But if that is true, then why haven’t modern wild animals been increasing in size since the last ice age?

…I think even trees were larger during that time. But why…🤷 perhaps there was an ancient fungus that the animals and plants ate that caused them to increase in size -and that fungus is now extinct too. 🤷

…or perhaps air back then was more oxygen-dense, so therefore by resurrecting megafauna, we could study their lung structure.
 
God made man in his image. It only makes sense that humans would attempt to reshape the world around them the same way God made the world.
 
I’ve read science articles about the role of cloning and selective breeding to resurrect extinct animal species. The more likely candidates are the woolly mammoth, the thylacine and the Pyrenean ibex (this was attempted a few years ago but the clone survived only for a few minutes). Would it be a moral thing to correct what man and nature had done that led to these species extinction?:cool:
Oh, wow… I just noticed that you said the Pyrenean ibex only lasted a few minutes… I wonder if it suffocated.
 
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