Cloning and resurrecting extinct animal species

[TEPO]

God made man in his image. It only makes sense that humans would attempt to reshape the world around them the same way God made the world.

Yes. What I would like to do, scientifically is this: Uncover the aspect of human DNA that allows us to communicate and understand -and then add that to dog DNA. Not only do I want to be able to carry on a conversation with my dog, but I also believe that communication leads to increases in intelligence as a whole. (If my dog could be anything like Chubaka it would be awesome). But if humans couldn’t communicate, we would be just like every other animal, basing our lives primarily on instinct.

…but since we have communication, we are forced to ‘reason’. And with reason, we have developed emotional gifts such as humility, kindness, forgiveness, diligence, charity, temperance and chastity. Unfortunately, with this God given gift of communication, we are also prone to sin, which all other animals are incapable of… But anyways.

 

[mikekle]

The real question that comes from this, what are the implications of man suddenly being able to create living, breathing things, just like God does?

I was always told God MUST breathe life into every single thing that is born into the world, humans and animals alike…but now, it seems man is on track to be able to do this, It seems logical to me there would have to be some implications of this…right?

Satan basically wanted Gods power and position, and God knocked him back down as a result, so what is the difference of what man is trying to do…in doing things like this, we are basically telling God we can do all this on our own and dont need you anymore, I would expect to see God ‘knock mankind down’ a few notches should we reach certain types of technology and abilities.

Although by bringing back dinosaurs, that alone may be Gods punishment, in that mankind will probably become the less dominant species on the planet, and our cities would be suddenly buffets open day and night to the new dinosaurs. not much we could do to protect ourselves against 10 ton meat eating machines with sharp teeth!

 

[laircy]

Species go extinct because they can no longer survive in the world. I’ve always wondered how scientists reconcile conservationism and evolution, aka survival of the fittest. Obviously it’s not as cold as it was in the ice age, so I don’t think woolly mammoths would do well here; they’d probably overheat. And of course introducing a new animal into the changed ecosystem would cause some upset balances, either not being able to survive, or being able to survive so well that it would shove another species out of its niche and cause it to go extinct. Or even become an invasive species and cause multiple extinctions. Seems counter-productive.
And I think the whole creating life thing is best left to God. All too soon would they start trying to clone humans.
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[Lokadottir]

…didn’t God have a purpose making those animals go extinct?

Is man now in his arrogance going to rectify God’s “mistake”?

God had nothing to do with what happened to the dodos
anyone who wants to learn about resurrecting long dead species can go watch the Jurasic park series. Other species’ deaths are the fault of HUMANS.

 

[TEPO]

I was always told God MUST breathe life into every single thing that is born into the world, humans and animals alike…but now, it seems man is on track to be able to do this, It seems logical to me there would have to be some implications of this…right?

It’s funny you should mention that because I have a feeling that the oxygen levels today are not the same as they were 40,000 years ago when vegetation was everywhere… So yes it is logical to think that there might be some unexpected implications.

I predict suffocation will result as a result of an ancient lung structure foreign to what is required today. With that being said, perhaps a certain man made environment could be made in order to keep it alive and happy while we figure these animals out completely.

…I’m a firm believer that by understanding these ancient creatures, we can understand earth better, and our own environment… Possibly even our own survival in a world where elements rise and fall in time.

 

[TEPO]

Species go extinct because they can no longer survive in the world. I’ve always wondered how scientists reconcile conservationism and evolution, aka survival of the fittest. Obviously it’s not as cold as it was in the ice age, so I don’t think woolly mammoths would do well here; they’d probably overheat. And of course introducing a new animal into the changed ecosystem would cause some upset balances, either not being able to survive, or being able to survive so well that it would shove another species out of its niche and cause it to go extinct. Or even become an invasive species and cause multiple extinctions. Seems counter-productive.
And I think the whole creating life thing is best left to God. All too soon would they start trying to clone humans.
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Well, it’s also true then that many dog breeds are just as far out of the balance of nature than cloned wooly mammoths would be. In fact almost all dog breeds are hybrid versions of mans imagination. Many vets have recently called for an end to breeding unhealthy hybrid dog breeds such as many versions in the brachycephalic sphere… They have a hard time breathing too in some cases. They basically can’t hunt at all -they’ll run out of breath trying.

telegraph.co.uk/health/petshealth/10508781/Ban-unhealthy-dog-breeds-say-vets.html

 

[mikekle]

Species go extinct because they can no longer survive in the world. I’ve always wondered how scientists reconcile conservationism and evolution, aka survival of the fittest. Obviously it’s not as cold as it was in the ice age, so I don’t think woolly mammoths would do well here; they’d probably overheat. And of course introducing a new animal into the changed ecosystem would cause some upset balances, either not being able to survive, or being able to survive so well that it would shove another species out of its niche and cause it to go extinct. Or even become an invasive species and cause multiple extinctions. Seems counter-productive.
And I think the whole creating life thing is best left to God. All too soon would they start trying to clone humans.
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True, but when talking about animals, they can ALL evolve to deal with changing environments, humans do not have this ability though, we cannot change, or grow thicker skin, better eyesight, hearing, etc.

I think if the wooly mammoths were brought back, most likely their coat of hair would change depending on what area they live in, if it was a warmer area, their hair would become thinned out and they would probably have less, or the hair would change to help keep the animal cool, just like a long haired dog.

Ive always thought it strange almost every single animal has this ability to adapt to whatever environment they are put in, but humans stay the same no matter where they live…??

 

[TEPO]

True, but when talking about animals, they can ALL evolve to deal with changing environments, humans do not have this ability though, we cannot change, or grow thicker skin, better eyesight, hearing, etc.

I think if the wooly mammoths were brought back, most likely their coat of hair would change depending on what area they live in, if it was a warmer area, their hair would become thinned out and they would probably have less, or the hair would change to help keep the animal cool, just like a long haired dog.

Ive always thought it strange almost every single animal has this ability to adapt to whatever environment they are put in, but humans stay the same no matter where they live…??

True. I’ve heard that when domesticated pigs are set free -they grow horns, hair and become violent beasts. They change so drastically that they have two names. Pig/Boar.

…I think they may even grow in size, which would be amazing! Might help understand the larger prehistoric animals better -I wonder if there’s a connection. maybe the older sabertooths, and wooly mammoths simply didn’t posses the ability to ‘shrink up’ and become domesticated… So they died.

( it’s also odd that all these large tusked animals who couldn’t ‘domesticate’, or ‘bow down’ to man Seem to almost all have become extinct:shrug

 

[JRKH]

True, but when talking about animals, they can ALL evolve to deal with changing environments, humans do not have this ability though, we cannot change, or grow thicker skin, better eyesight, hearing, etc.

I think if the wooly mammoths were brought back, most likely their coat of hair would change depending on what area they live in, if it was a warmer area, their hair would become thinned out and they would probably have less, or the hair would change to help keep the animal cool, just like a long haired dog.

Ive always thought it strange almost every single animal has this ability to adapt to whatever environment they are put in, but humans stay the same no matter where they live…??

What do you mean humans cannot change - cannot evolve? We’re evolving all the time based on many factors. But it takes time.
Likewise a Wooly Mammoth - designed for an ice age environment would not suddenly have thinner hair…this also would take some number of generations.

The main reason that humans seem to “stay the same no matter where they live” is because of our ability to adapt our environment to us rather than the other way around.
Man in the North kills animals and wears the animal’s skin and fur instead of waiting to grow his own. Likewise he uses fire to stay warm etc…Thus our evolutionary mechanisms have no stimulus to make major changes.

But even at that, it is not true that man is the same no matter where he lives.
Those who live in hot, sunny, tropical areas tend to be much darker than those who live in more northerly climates.

Peace
James

 

[TEPO]

What do you mean humans cannot change - cannot evolve? We’re evolving all the time based on many factors. But it takes time.
Likewise a Wooly Mammoth - designed for an ice age environment would not suddenly have thinner hair…this also would take some number of generations.

The main reason that humans seem to “stay the same no matter where they live” is because of our ability to adapt our environment to us rather than the other way around.
Man in the North kills animals and wears the animal’s skin and fur instead of waiting to grow his own. Likewise he uses fire to stay warm etc…Thus our evolutionary mechanisms have no stimulus to make major changes.

But even at that, it is not true that man is the same no matter where he lives.
Those who live in hot, sunny, tropical areas tend to be much darker than those who live in more northerly climates.

Peace
James

Have you ever wondered why Siberian huskies, and Northern humans have blue eyes? Or why dogs from Asia have tighter faces? It’s almost as if ‘regions’ cause the same mutations upon animals subtly and equally…

…but there’s no explaining why pigs are able to revert to Boars. do you think a wooly Mammoth could be like a pig, and loose his tusks and coat? I don’t -and I think that’s one of the reasons they no longer exist.

 

[TEPO]

What’s also striking is at the time the Wooly mammoth ceased to exist and elephants being more refined continued living -is similar to the time the hairy Neanderthals ceased to exist and modern humans lived on… It’s strange. Those who could not change died. There seems to have been an elemental or chemical change that occurred atmospherically.

…so to clone a wooly mammoth might be a good way to find out why the Neanderthals died… Specifically. My prediction is an archaic lung structure that refused to mutate.

 

[TEPO]

I wonder if my human lungs are capable of reverting back to a neanderthalish “archaic” lung structure should the world return to its previous atmospheric composition. Or if earth slams into a helium gas cloud (if that’s even possible), will my children’s children adapt to a helium oxygen mixture? what else about them will change, their leg length?

 

[TEPO]

--then again, there are an infinite number of gasses in space, so many we don’t even know all of them and probably wouldn’t know it if earth crashed into a ‘space cloud’ of unknown invisible gasses… Probably dark matter is space gasses I think. We just call it that because we can’t explain or identify what it is, but there’s a lot of it. And it’s everywhere

I wonder if “gasses” effect mutation. ( I don’t like the E word )

 

[TEPO]

I think that’s probably why cultures and languages vary -because people are highly susceptible to vapors, amino acids and drugs in general such as pharmicudicals… Because our bodies are ‘wired’ to have the ability to change or ‘mutate’.

 

[laircy]

I wonder if my human lungs are capable of reverting back to a neanderthalish “archaic” lung structure should the world return to its previous atmospheric composition. Or if earth slams into a helium gas cloud (if that’s even possible), will my children’s children adapt to a helium oxygen mixture? what else about them will change, their leg length?

High voices!

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

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What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Tzimisce]

God had nothing to do with what happened to the dodos
anyone who wants to learn about resurrecting long dead species can go watch the Jurasic park series. Other species’ deaths are the fault of HUMANS.

If God is both omnipotent and omniscience - then he did make the Dodos go extinct.

He just used other aspects of his creation.

Though I suppose I could argue that humans didn’t make the Dodos go extinct - their guns did…

 

[Tzimisce]

Yes. What I would like to do, scientifically is this: Uncover the aspect of human DNA that allows us to communicate and understand -and then add that to dog DNA. Not only do I want to be able to carry on a conversation with my dog, but I also believe that communication leads to increases in intelligence as a whole. (If my dog could be anything like Chubaka it would be awesome). But if humans couldn’t communicate, we would be just like every other animal, basing our lives primarily on instinct.

…but since we have communication, we are forced to ‘reason’. And with reason, we have developed emotional gifts such as humility, kindness, forgiveness, diligence, charity, temperance and chastity. Unfortunately, with this God given gift of communication, we are also prone to sin, which all other animals are incapable of… But anyways.

…animals do communicate…

 

[TEPO]

…animals do communicate…

I guess what I meant was conversation. I don’t think animals can converse, as in being able to express ideas. Not can they wonder or ask questions. Conversation I think is more complex than communication, because it goes beyond making familiar noises based on instinct -such as becoming excited around food or needing something.

…we must have something different within our DNA that other animals don’t have that allows us to do this.

 

[Lokadottir]

If God is both omnipotent and omniscience - then he did make the Dodos go extinct.

He just used other aspects of his creation.

Though I suppose I could argue that humans didn’t make the Dodos go extinct - their guns did…

You then imply man does not have the free will to decide to kill the dodos. I believe thats a heresy in the Catholic Church.