Close the hospitals, or close the cities?

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Durus said:
NO religion should have permission or authority to operate any medical facility in the Western World.

Shut them down and let secular institutions take over.
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Actually, I prefer institutions with a little more consistancy of purpose. Religion fits the bill nicely.

ATB
 
Durus said:
I live in Canada, very different system. Our ’ religious’ hospitals are publicly funded, so they can’t dictate what they will or will not do based upon what their God says.
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How about Catholic hospitals and all the sexuality issues (bith control, abortion, IVF)?
 
Michael_Mayo said:
How about Catholic hospitals and all the sexuality issues (bith control, abortion, IVF)?
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Hospitals cannot deny services, as they are publicly funded.

Not every hospital provides abortions…hospitals cannot be forced to open a clinic, nor can a Doctor be forced to provide an abortion.
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losh14 said:
I’ll be following this blog from now on:
Listen, you fools. YOU DON’T SHUT ANYTHING DOWN. You keep going exactly as you have been, and you force those dirty rotten ____s to literally storm your hospitals and shut YOU down at gunpoint. And I’m not kidding. Make them physically shut down your hospital by dragging you out at gunpoint. Make them physically shut down your schools. Make them shut down your university by force because you won’t cover abortions in your student health plan. Make them physically shut down your soup kitchens. Make them shut down your adoption agencies because you won’t hand a baby boy over to {gay men}.

This inspires me - the blog itself, not the passage above (I just love her forcefulness, though)… I have an idea.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Christians need to start getting some teeth and stop being a bunch of weak-kneed milquetoasts…“Oh gee, please mister, don’t take my faith away from me…okay mister but you hurt my feelings mister.” If your faith means anything to you then stand up for it. Start speaking out and holding sit-ins. Start using aggressive language, put down the “Jesus Loves me and it gives me warm feelings in me tummy” hymn and pick up a good old fashion “Onward Christian Soldiers”.

I see too many religious leaders of the Christian faith get spit on and put down and they just take it. You know even St. Paul and Jesus fought a battle every now and then when it mattered. Someone saying “Christians suck” yeah okay turn the cheek and go about your way, that guy is a moron and no need to lose your cool…but we are talking about the government dictating our faith here…I think Jesus would be tipping some tables and chairs and cracking the whip like He did when the money-changers were hanging out in the temple.
 
Michael_Mayo said:
Probably Medicare which makes hospitals jump through hoops as it is to get reimbursed.
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Not true. Medicare does work, by checking for medical necessity To keep cost down. But, payments are made in thirteen days. Much faster than any other insurance I’m aware of.

Perhaps if medicare, and Medicaid were able to take a little more time to review. Fraud could be curtailed.🤷 As we know, most Medicare, and Medicaid fraud, begins at the point of “Service”.
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Not true. Medicare does work, by checking for medical necessity To keep cost down. But, payments are made in thirteen days. Much faster than any other insurance I’m aware of.

Perhaps if medicare, and Medicaid were able to take a little more time to review. Fraud could be curtailed.🤷 As we know, most Medicare, and Medicaid fraud, begins at the point of “Service”.
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What I mean is if Catholic hospitals do not comply with mandates they will not get Medicare reimbursment. That would be very painful.
 
There are some nonCatholic nurses that would rather go to a Catholic hospital then to the local for-prefit hospital. :)👍
 
Michael_Mayo said:
What I mean is if Catholic hospitals do not comply with mandates they will not get Medicare reimbursment. That would be very painful.
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Sorry, I think I misunderstood your post. (I’ll fight to the end, for the government programs I support :rolleyes:)
Reference loosing Medicare payments, and or Patients. If they choose to stay open. That is a very distinct possibility. But a lot of what some have posted doesn’t ring true to me. Granted, here in Michigan, Hospitals are Non-profit. But, the ones ran by, say the St. Joseph Mercy Health System. stjoeshealth.org/default.cfm?id=1 Are actually owned by them. Well, owned by Trinity Health, that is. trinity-health.org/default.cfm No one could “take them over.” They would have to be sold. Good luck getting a fair price.

These hospitals, have strong Catholic presence. You can recieve communion in your room, attend Mass, (on Sunday). Otherwise, crucifixes, and bibles are in every room. The religious nature of the facility is evident from the entrances on.

For these hospitals to close would be devastating to the region. This is the leverage we have available. Lets use it!

ATB
 
Edit above post. I just learned that Michigans hospitals are no longer required to be non-profit. So, a corporation could buy the Catholic hospitals.

ATB
 
Mickey_Finn said:
Edit above post. I just learned that Michigans hospitals are no longer required to be non-profit. So, a corporation could buy the Catholic hospitals.
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Not unlikely. One of the reasons we saw many Catholic hospitals become privatized in recent decades is that medicine outgrew the ability of the religious orders to manage them. My stepfather worked for 20+ years as an executive at one in Chicago, under a fairly old Mother who hadn’t much business acumen. While chargeoffs are common in hospitals (notoriously hard to collect medical debt), this one positively bled money. The order ultimately decided to sell it, and my stepdad was axed.

While I could see the case that the diocese or an order would be better off letting a corporation manage the hospital for patients with insurance but taking on the burden of those who can’t pay, I’d hate to see the character of the hospital and the Catholic mission go out the door. I’d especially hate to see Catholic doctors lose safe harbor where they know they’ll never be compelled under threat of losing their jobs (or worse, their licenses) to refuse to take part in an abortion or prescribe contraception. Sometime last year, Sebelius made a statement to the effect that a doctor or nurse who doesn’t want to perform an abortion or prescribe contraception should not be in medicine. I understand the argument that abortion and contraception are considered routine and basic medical care by medical groups, but that there’s no room for compromise is troubling.

And such a rule - a litmus test that keeps anyone with conscience objections out of medicine - would utterly force faithful Christians to leave the field altogether. That would likely mean my wife won’t be able to find an OB who supports NFP (when she asked her OB, her OB chuckled and wrote her a script for the pill). Does that constitute a denial of her religious rights, since she is not able to find a doctor who will treat her in a manner consistent with her conscience? Because I really don’t buy the argument that a woman’s Constitutional right to an abortion is somehow shattered if there exists a single doctor in the U.S. unwilling to perform it.
 
losh14 said:
I understand the argument that abortion and contraception are considered routine and basic medical care by medical groups, but that there’s no room for compromise is troubling.
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That is a problem: what if the medical community “standard of care” is viewed as immoral by some but not by law?
 
The mandate takes effect in 34 days. The Supreme Court upheld the individual mandate, so I’d expect the Obama administration to be emboldened and not back down.

How do we begin to prepare our response? Should we send letters to the hospitals and schools, urging them not to comply and telling them we stand with them? Letters to the bishops, expressing support and offering assistance? What do we need to do to mount a substantial fight?
 
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