Close Twins Mother decieving Homosexual

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Lochias said:
I think, on some level, that homosexuals do know that. I don’t know a single active homosexual who’s had a partner that lasted beyond a couple of months, and I know a few (many of my friends being in the theater biz).
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That doesn’t mean much, though, considering you only know a few homosexuals. I have a friend who’s uncle was gay, and he was with a guy for years. They did leave each other in the end, though, but after a good period of time.
Lochias said:
Yes, homosexuals can be as kind and loving as the rest of us, but it doesn’t excuse the selfishness of their actions (if they choose to undertake those actions). Their actions directly affect me and my plans for the future, and the fact that many, MANY of them are loud, obnoxiously rude, and intrusive into my day-to-day affairs and plans means I can’t just live and let live. 🤷 They’re being selfish in many, many ways.
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How does it affect you? If two men have sex, how are you in anyway affected by this? Do you expect them to carry the burden of celibacy because of your religious views? If so, you’re the one being selfish, not them. And you’re asking a lot from them, really. Your comments about homosexuals in general being selfish is very, very weird, especially since it seems to be based off of the idea of same-sex intercourse more than anything. It’s just absurd.

Of course, your comments about some of them being rude or obnoxious is, I suppose, fine. But that isn’t anything to do with their homosexuality. There are heterosexuals that are rude and obnoxious.
Lochias said:
I find it very, very interesting that you assume they were jerks. Personal experiences clouding your bias much? Why would you assume this?
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You said they were jerks, right? You said they were rude and obnoxious? That’s what you said.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
That doesn’t mean much, though, considering you only know a few homosexuals. I have a friend who’s uncle was gay, and he was with a guy for years. They did leave each other in the end, though, but after a good period of time.
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I have two aunts that are lesbian. I don’t know anything about the romantic life of one of them. The other has been with her partner for many years. All three treat me very charitably and all three are far from being the most selfish people on earth.

The aunt that has the long term partner I know. She and her partner took in a young kid they knew (asked by their father because the courts would not allow the kid around his sister) who was sexually abused by his mother and went on to sexually abuse his sister and get charged for the crime. The young man is doing fine now as I understand it.

That same aunt held the hand of some Latino kid as he laid dying in the street in Arizona after being gunned down.

My other aunt that is lesbian visited me in the hospital and after I was discharged would pick me up and shuttle me around to my appointments. Often in so much physical agony and my mind not on all my appointments… she kept better track of my appointments than I did! She would also feed me - pay for my food.

Saying someone is homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual really does not provide a lot of information about that person. People are more complex than that. Imagine a novel were two of the protagonists are homosexual and heterosexual respectively. And that’s all the info the author provides. That’s the whole book. Story over. It wouldn’t be much of a book in page count, and it wouldn’t be much of a story.

It’s very possible a gay person could save a heterosexual person’s life one day. Even a heterosexual that is very critical of homosexuals as people.

One of my nephews is openly homosexual. He’s a very intelligent young man and very studious. He has friends and family like most other humans. Though, like many modern families and people today, his biography has it’s own twist, turns, and complexities or layers. He’s not biologically my brother’s son. So, his “family” is more extensive than two family lines.

I have a critical view of homosexuality as homosexuality. That’s about it. You might be able to infer a few things about a person from their sexual orientation but only a few. I can’t infer their height, weight, religion, educational background (though most gay people in the U.S. tend to be better educated than the average American) et cetera, from their sexual orientation.

I think heterosexual sex is the more moral and more sexually mature of the two types of sexual intercourses but that does not mean I like every heterosexual person. There are homosexuals or lesbians I’d rather be around or having watching over my children (I have none) than some heterosexuals. You also have some heterosexuals that are very absusive to their wives, husbands, girlfriends, boyfriends, or their children.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
How does it affect you? If two men have sex, how are you in anyway affected by this? Do you expect them to carry the burden of celibacy because of your religious views? If so, you’re the one being selfish, not them. And you’re asking a lot from them, really. Your comments about homosexuals in general being selfish is very, very weird, especially since it seems to be based off of the idea of same-sex intercourse more than anything. It’s just absurd.
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Lochias said:
We ejected one of our long-time friends in my social group, an actively gay man, because his constant bile and rabidly anti-religious stance due to his views on homosexuality got to be too much to tolerate, for any of us, Catholic, atheist or otherwise. It has EVERYTHING to do with their militantly pro-gay-lifestyle choices. \QUOTE]

That right there is your problem. You start off talking about one person you had an issue with, and end with talking about “them”, as in all homosexuals. Taking one person’s attitude and problems and attributing them to the entire diverse population of gay people is wrong, and it is exactly what everyone here has been correcting you on.
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Lochias said:
You’re welcome to peruse any number of the other threads here to see why it’s destructive, physically and spiritually. I don’t have the time to do everyone’s homework for 'em, and seeing as you’ve been here a while, the constant “but why?” response to what we Catholics post is getting stale. Really, really stale. You’re obviously intelligent, and asking questions is never a bad thing, but you have the capability to click your mouse in more threads than this one.
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I’ve been on almost all threads concerning homosexuality, and it’s an answer I have never received. It’s almost always just shrugged off, as it has been done here, or I’m misquoted, as you’ve also done. I’m not asking why it’s wrong. I’m asking how you are effected.
Lochias said:
We ejected one of our long-time friends in my social group, an actively gay man, because his constant bile and rabidly anti-religious stance due to his views on homosexuality got to be too much to tolerate, for any of us, Catholic, atheist or otherwise. It has EVERYTHING to do with their militantly pro-gay-lifestyle choices.
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It’s a shame that your experiences with gay men have led you to become so prejudiced against them. I have a gay friend who has stated that he doesn’t believe homosexuals should concern themselves with marriage, which he sees as a religious ceremony. Of course, he wants Civil Unions, but he’s certainly not militant in anyway. I must ask how someone could go through life and label people like you have done. Surely you do not do the same thing to blacks, or atheists, or Catholics, or any other group, so why do you feel it is justified to make such broad, unjustified statements about homosexuals? I can’t believe I have to tell you this, but your former friend does not, in anyway, represent the majority of homosexuals.
 
Lochias said:
I’m not prejudiced against homosexuals any more than you’re prejudiced against Christians.
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I could be wrong but I have yet to see him post “My Christian friend turned out to be a real jerk; I can’t stand how they are always so loud, obnoxious, and selfish”.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I could be wrong but I have yet to see him post “My Christian friend turned out to be a real jerk; I can’t stand how they are always so loud, obnoxious, and selfish”.
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I did not mean to imply that all homosexuals are loud, obnoxious, and selfish. Obviously, they all aren’t, and we all have those qualities to some degree.

I think you and he both know that I meant that, but for the record, I apologize if that’s how I came off. Lazy grammar on my part.

My view on those homosexuals who ARE that way, and the selfishness nature of homosexual acts, still stands.
 
interestedman said:
And a lot of you resent them too. Actually, I would say most of the Catholics on this forum resent gays for bringing on the downfall of the family and society.
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i don’t resent them the Church has always taught that homosexuals have inherent dignity and we should help them overcome their’re disorder while they try to live a life of chastity like the rest of us

Most of the time i think it is just rightous anger at the sin not the person

most everyone in this life is called to carry their cross
as St. Louis de Monfort said “one must pray for suffering and the Grace of Suffering”
in Christianity suffering is understood as redemptive because WE(hopefully) believe that our sins and those of other have pretty much caused all of the suffering in World

a story goes a certain saint (can’t remember her name 😦 ) saw saint Michael trying to give gifts to everyone and most of time he was not able to Give gifts (he had a lot ) so she asked him “why people not accept gifts?” so he said “everyones minds too stuck in past or future so i can’t give gifts” so one should stay present so recieve God’s Gifts

Shalom
God Bless You on your’re journey
 
Lochias said:
I did not mean to imply that all homosexuals are loud, obnoxious, and selfish. Obviously, they all aren’t, and we all have those qualities to some degree.

I think you and he both know that I meant that, but for the record, I apologize if that’s how I came off. Lazy grammar on my part.
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Oh. Okay, that’s good. And, I didn’t know what you meant. I honestly thought were stating that all homosexuals were somehow selfish or just nasty people.
Lochias said:
My view on those homosexuals who ARE that way, and the selfishness nature of homosexual acts, still stands.
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Well, sure. That’s perfectly reasonable. Likewise, I can hardly stand Christians that are so intent on “saving” me that it’s impossible to have any kind of relationship with them.
 
=Regular Atheist;9825699]Oh. Okay, that’s good. And, I didn’t know what you meant. I honestly thought were stating that all homosexuals were somehow selfish or just nasty people.
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Check. Glad we hashed that out, then.
Well, sure. That’s perfectly reasonable. Likewise, I can hardly stand Christians that are so intent on “saving” me that it’s impossible to have any kind of relationship with them.
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Agreed.
 
CopticChristian said:
A homosexual man convinced a woman to bare children via surrogacy. The male friend was not known to be homosexual until after the birth. The Twins were taken from the hospital by the homosexual male and are living with the same sex partner. The courts will be looking at the definition of Mother.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206664/Cindy-Close-Woman-48-twins-long-time-friend-claimed-just-surrogate.html

abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8823108

cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/09/24/erin-mattingly-pkg-texas-court-debates-motherhood.cnn

video concerning the story can be seen here

So, is there some kind of Gay agenda disrupting, destroying the notion of Marriage, Mother, Family…using Courts to get their ideas across?

What sort of thinking caused a man to lie, and then use that lie to get children into the arms of a same sex evironment? Is this is the best interest of the Children?
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Human does something selfish more at 11.
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The children are innocent.

The Father is in one of the worst capital sins I know of. His relenting to the temptation of homosexuality makes his case worse. His offering his seed out of marriage, is two fold, one masturbation, the other desecrating the sacrament of marriage. The last, sentencing children to a Godless environment is probably the most serious, although they seem to all carry equal weight. I would think this sequence of acts would be recognizable in a cult ritual of satan worship.

The mother by offering herself is guilty of desecrating the sacrament of matrimony as is the man. She is responsible for relegating her children to the serious danger of a cultist environment, a life without a biological mother, and they most likely will be indoctrinated to accept homosexuality as an optional way of life.

The state had it’s answer if it had consulted the Church, and need not go into deciding definitions already defined by the Church. The state has another compounding sin, the deferral of tax money to areas of no concern to itself, which constitutes misrepresentation and theft. Neither is it a common good, since the Church would deem it not a “good” since it tampers with God’s definition of mother.

Satan strikes some consecutive home runs in this cultist playing field.

And so it will go in a world without Christ.
 
Lochias said:
I think, on some level, that homosexuals do know that. I don’t know a single active homosexual who’s had a partner that lasted beyond a couple of months, and I know a few (many of my friends being in the theater biz).

Yes, homosexuals can be as kind and loving as the rest of us, but it doesn’t excuse the selfishness of their actions (if they choose to undertake those actions). Their actions directly affect me and my plans for the future, and the fact that many, MANY of them are loud, obnoxiously rude, and intrusive into my day-to-day affairs and plans means I can’t just live and let live. 🤷 They’re being selfish in many, many ways.
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As a gay, apatheist, seventeen year old male, I thank you for your kind words, open arms, and clear and level-headedness that it sure to lead many of those like me to your Christ.

Oh wait, no. I might still get married to a man and raise children of my own to be nicer people than you. Shouldn’t be too hard.

Out of curiosity, how, exactly, do me and my boyfriend affect your day-to-day life? Does it totally ruin your day to see us hug goodbye at the end of a movie or hold hands and walk down the street? I urge you to reevaluate your priorities if such a thing actually has an effect on your life. Lighten up, sheesh.
 
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